American Impeachment/25th Amendment Watch 2021 - If, at first, you don't convict, try, try again

[Sekirodiealot]

Honestly Trump would have won the karen vote if he did that.

They really should. The dems have incite many times in the past for violence. Also what BLM and Antifa have done in the past is much worse than the capitol riot.

And people got hurt and even killed for it. A trump supporter shot at these 2020 riots to.

 

[CrippleThreat]

Sounds like you don’t like Trump’s chances.

Enough of that nonsense. It's like falling for the polls again during 2020.

He's getting acquitted, regardless of boring lawyers or lawyers that show the TIME article. They don't have the votes, period, and while I expect them to be dumb and haughty enough to run this circus into March, they're not going to find 16 other GOPers who want an out, careers be damned.

 

[Slimy Time]

His lawyers seem to be under the impression that this is a trial...in a court.....with a jury. It's cute.

He shouldn't have worried about hiring lawyers to make boring legal arguments. This a staged event for the media. He needed a team who could sell a narrative, which is what the Dems are doing.

But Trump will always be a boomer. "Get me that expensive Jewish lawyer, I hear he went to Harvard"

Realistically he should have saved his money and hired one guy. Nothing he does will convince these slimeballs to vote anything other than along lines. The dems will vote on it along party lines, the 5 RINOs will jump in with them, and the rest will vote against. This is dead on arrival.

Meanwhile (and I said this somewhere else a month ago), what is Joe Biden doing right now? While media is focused on this circus, what is sleepy passing through on EOs? I bet you it will some unpopular/controversial shit that is being slid though and none are covering it.

 

[Rich Evans Apologist]

Trump could fart on the table as his only testimony and get off. He's got the republicans by the balls, so indeed he's guaranteed to get off and grift another cool $300m from suckers to deal with those erm awkward personal debts he's racked up.

 

[BenisinbaginaII]

Trump should have represented himself and gone with the Maddox defense. "It's not incitement since it was actually rigged. The rally was actually a government edutainment program on the topic." The outcome is predetermined anyway, so by playing it straight and on procedural grounds, he just wasted his money on lawyers that are unsurprisingly shit. Castor at least, the jew was fine, but boring.

 

[A_throwaway_name62919]

I've heard from ACLJ's pundits that the second half of that story is important, too.
Apparently Beklnap was very clearly guilty but the Senate voted to acquit because most of them felt it was outside their purview exactly because he was out of office, thus unconstitutional.

Yeah, and we might get the same thing here, with Trump getting acquitted not because people think he didn't cross a line, but because enough senators aren't comfortable with using the impeachment process on Trump when he's already out of office.

The key thing is that what the Constitution says is:

Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.

Meaning that the impeachment process isn't just to remove someone from office, but to disqualify them from holding any federal offices in the future. So there's a decent argument the trial still serves a constitutional purpose and nothing in the Constitution clearly requires that an official still be sitting to be barred from holding further office. Plus unlike Belknap who resigned (or Nixon for that matter) Trump's term simply expired. So him still being qualified for office isn't a mostly moot issue.

They just need to convince enough senators to abide by the constitutionality vote they had at the start and vote for whether or not Trump is guilty based on the evidence rather than based on their doubts about the constitutionality.

 

[Extreme Aneurysm]

Why is a commie who fucked a CCP spy allowed to speak? Kek.

 

[A_throwaway_name62919]

Enough of that nonsense. It's like falling for the polls again during 2020.

He's getting acquitted, regardless boring lawyers or lawyers that show TIME article. They don't have the votes, period, and while I expect them to be dumb and haughty enough to run this circus into March, they're not going to find 16 other GOPers who want an out, careers be damned.

One way or another, this ain't going to last past next week. They might even wrap things up this week.

 

[Escaped Abortion]

Trump should have represented himself and gone with the Maddox defense. "It's not incitement since it was actually rigged. The rally was actually a government edutainment program on the topic." The outcome is predetermined anyway, so by playing it straight and on procedural grounds, he just wasted his money on lawyers that are unsurprisingly shit. Castor at least, the jew was fine, but boring.

I agree. Better to burn up in a blaze of glory, then fizzle. I would have played it to draw attention to things like the Times article, make it a wild event history can't forget if I was Trump. I mean, I'd be pretty old, gonna die soon anyhow, might as well try to earn more notes in history. Even if it backfires, might have that McDonald's heart attack in four years or just not be into it then.

 

[CrippleThreat]

Realistically he should have saved his money and hired one guy.

I will never understand why he doesn't have attorneys who like him/have his back on this issue on speed dial. Barnes, Dershowitz, and hell, even Turley to name a few.

 

[BenisinbaginaII]

I will never understand why he doesn't have attorneys who like him/have his back on this issue on speed dial. Barnes, Dershowitz, and hell, even Turley to name a few.

Trump's a boomer so if he sees someone who's name ends with Berg who graduated Ivy League and has a six digit income, they're hired.

 

[An Avenging Bird]

I personally enjoyed the video of the lady who heckled Schumer giving a speech on the streets right after Jan 6 and said she loathes him so much that she got sexually excited watching him cower in fear during the riot.

 

[Sekirodiealot]

Half of Trump's defense was pitiful (the jewish lawyer was good), and all the emotional manipulation about your wife's LGBTQ tranny son scared to visit the capitol and AOC hiding in another building, all of that, just to flip one republican who is now either DOA or just won't run for reelection. Louisiana won't stand for Bill Cassidy's attempt at better cheese pizza.

Also press X on Trump screaming, when has he ever screamed? Sources say you're a fag, CNN.

To be fair, democrat's argument was equally, if not more pitiful when they keep trying to use british laws and using emotional speeches to try and convicr trump.

 

[AnOminous]

I've heard from ACLJ's pundits that the second half of that story is important, too.
Apparently Beklnap was very clearly guilty but the Senate voted to acquit because most of them felt it was outside their purview exactly because he was out of office, thus unconstitutional.

I'm pretty sure that the minority (in the worst possible case for Trump) that acquits him will insist in any statement they make subsequent to doing it that the entire proceedings were unconstitutional. I don't think they actually are, but it really doesn't matter. Trump is going to win this, although nobody on either side is going to be convinced one way or another that he was or wasn't guilty of anything.

Realistically he should have saved his money and hired one guy.

He should have just not hired anyone, represented himself, and taken a giant steaming shit on Schumer's table, then bellowed like a gorilla for hours. It literally would not have a different result.

I will never understand why he doesn't have attorneys who like him/have his back on this issue on speed dial. Barnes, Dershowitz, and hell, even Turley to name a few.

They wouldn't embarrass themselves and nuke their careers forever to make his moronic "muh stolen election" nutjob argument.

 

[Rich Evans Apologist]

Meaning that the impeachment process isn't just to remove someone from office, but to disqualify them from holding any federal offices in the future. So there's a decent argument the trial still serves a constitutional purpose and nothing in the Constitution clearly requires that an official still be sitting to be barred from holding further office.

The wording actually allows for 3 odd circumstances:
-Impeach for impeachment's sake, do nothing with it (pointless waste of time, just censure)
-Impeach to remove from office
- Remove from office & bar from future office

Basically, those two punishments are the limitation of impeachment - but they aren't necessarily required. The constitutionality is still somewhat weird because Trump is not currently a sitting government official, and thus not subject to impeaching; however, as his charges were made while he was, we skirt around that. Except that with Leahy pushing out Roberts, like... Leahy's logic is that he's not the president right now. Well in that case, he's also not a government official right now - you can't have both.

I should say, 2/3 also require different margins; remove takes 2/3rds, bar takes a simple majority. I forgot the barring is usually contingent on removal - I'm not actually familiar if you can try just to bar someone. I would guess you technically can, by impeaching for impeachment's sake (2/3rds) and then having a second vote to bar thereafter. It's not really well-defined. This situation is retarded.

I would have played it to draw attention to things like the Times article

Careful, people might actually read more than literally just the headline if he calls attention to it.

 

[Sekirodiealot]

The trials are on now and they're just reading his tweets.

 

[AnitaSarsleezian]

The trials are on now and they're just reading his tweets.

Mark me autistic but I think it's hilarious that while he was president they did everything possible to muzzle him, ultimately banning him from Twitter and now that he's a private citizen he's got them holding an entire trial, blowing millions of taxpayer money, so dems could read his tweets out loud.

 

[AnOminous]

- Remove from office & bar from future office

And the latter is really the only thing on the table here. Since it can't possibly be accomplished, the whole process is bogus and a joke and the idiots doing it shouldn't even be paid for this waste of time. It's a spite impeachment, the second spite impeachment, and rather than Trump being the one who should be embarrassed by "being impeached twice," it should be Congress that is embarrassed by wasting everyone's time on this fucking farce.

 

[BenisinbaginaII]

The trials are on now and they're just reading his tweets.

I hope they get to this one:

 

[Sekirodiealot]

Mark me autistic but I think it's hilarious that while he was president they did everything possible to muzzle him, ultimately banning him from Twitter and now that he's a private citizen he's got them holding an entire trial, blowing millions of taxpayer money, so dems could read his tweets out loud.

They even brought uo pepe just now and the "stand back stand by" speech.