🪦 Deceased Amanda/Amelia Baggs / witharoundsmoothstone / ballastexistenz - moonfaced malingering autistic "activist"/SJW

I really want to read/hear what her family (besides her equally batshit crazy mom) has to say about Amanda, especially from the brother who was accused of abusing her. This is some heavy shit and I want to know if there's truth to that or it's just another fabrication of her acid-melted brain.
Someone mentioned her younger brother Jeremy (?) wasn't exactly on speaking terms with her because he didn't buy her story. I would love to read more about this, too.


same here !! actually i have been trying to find them online, but they seem to not even have facebook, id love to conduct an interview and let them get their voices heard .

i agree !!!, yeah, maybe we should all work together and try to track down these siblings and classmates and help get their stories and voices out there as well as neighbors out in cali, or even in vermont who saw right through the bullshit .
 
but they seem to not even have facebook

This got me thinking that maybe they don't want to get contacted and associated with Amanda by any means. Maybe they have social media accounts and whatnot, but under different names? If I were any of her brothers, I wouldn't want to get associated with her, because... yeah.
I was searching about the abuse issue on her old accounts but couldn't find much, only the things already discussed here. I'll still look for it tho, things like abuse accusations get pretty big. Someone, who isn't a kiwi, must have heard about it.
 
same here !! actually i have been trying to find them online, but they seem to not even have facebook, id love to conduct an interview and let them get their voices heard .

i agree !!!, yeah, maybe we should all work together and try to track down these siblings and classmates and help get their stories and voices out there as well as neighbors out in cali, or even in vermont who saw right through the bullshit .
IDK
A lot of folk seem more reluctant to bad-mouth recently deceased people, even if it's all true than when the person is still living. I feel like if anything came out of relatives' mouths, it would more likely be a few years down the road, if at all.
 
This got me thinking that maybe they don't want to get contacted and associated with Amanda by any means. Maybe they have social media accounts and whatnot, but under different names? If I were any of her brothers, I wouldn't want to get associated with her, because... yeah.
I was searching about the abuse issue on her old accounts but couldn't find much, only the things already discussed here. I'll still look for it tho, things like abuse accusations get pretty big. Someone, who isn't a kiwi, must have heard about it.

i feel ya, i agree, as i would not either, but since shed dead, id be coming out of the woodwork finally feeling like, im free !! finally, i can tell my story without fear

IDK
A lot of folk seem more reluctant to bad-mouth recently deceased people, even if it's all true than when the person is still living. I feel like if anything came out of relatives' mouths, it would more likely be a few years down the road, if at all.

i get that but in a case like this is not bad-mouthing, its getting the voices heard getting the real truths out there without fear of said person suing them for speaking their mind and their valid experiences.
 
I was able to find very general info about the older brothers on MyLife, but you have to pay to get the rest. In each one, there are links to Ron and Anna.

Shane: https://www.mylife.com/shane-baggs/e30343263816 (I don't understand what his occupation is. "Ninja at Novelis" sounds like some made-up anime shit that someone on DeviantArt would invent.)

Jeremy: https://www.mylife.com/jeremy-baggs/e30369006606

There's a little part of me that wonders if Amanda's claim of Shane sexually abusing her are really true. I tend to believe that they are because if you look at her blogging history, that's one of the only stories from her past that remains consistent throughout the whole charade. Almost any other detail or story she told about her childhood would change according to whatever topic she wanted to talk about in her blog post that day. I never realized until I looked back at her posts since she died how many times she would hint at sexual abuse.

The post about her father's work in the computer industry reminded me of an old post from her Ballastexistenz blog (which of course I can't find now!) where she discusses how sometimes parents overprotect their autistic kids. What struck me was when she mentioned her family's home computer which had internet (uncommon for most families in the early to mid-90s, but makes sense given her dad's work). She said something about using a bulletin board system (BBS) and that she would often receive inappropriate messages from many "sexual predators", but the gist was that by being given unfettered access to such inappropriate things, she learned how to handle herself.

While this was an example of a post where she did kind of have a valid point about how parents of disabled children can sometimes go overboard with trying to ensure their safety, it just seems kind of unnerving to me that she immediately brought up her encounter with internet predators to illustrate her point. Seriously, I think she said this within the first paragraph of the post! And her tone came across as "Meh, nothing came of it" as if it was almost normal.

I'm more interested in Jeremy than Shane since he apparently never bought into any of this. We only have Amanda's former classmate/Jeremy's then-girlfriend's word, but I trust that a lot more than Amanda's ever-changing word.
 
I was able to find very general info about the older brothers on MyLife, but you have to pay to get the rest. In each one, there are links to Ron and Anna.

Shane: https://www.mylife.com/shane-baggs/e30343263816 (I don't understand what his occupation is. "Ninja at Novelis" sounds like some made-up anime shit that someone on DeviantArt would invent.)

Jeremy: https://www.mylife.com/jeremy-baggs/e30369006606

There's a little part of me that wonders if Amanda's claim of Shane sexually abusing her are really true. I tend to believe that they are because if you look at her blogging history, that's one of the only stories from her past that remains consistent throughout the whole charade. Almost any other detail or story she told about her childhood would change according to whatever topic she wanted to talk about in her blog post that day. I never realized until I looked back at her posts since she died how many times she would hint at sexual abuse.

The post about her father's work in the computer industry reminded me of an old post from her Ballastexistenz blog (which of course I can't find now!) where she discusses how sometimes parents overprotect their autistic kids. What struck me was when she mentioned her family's home computer which had internet (uncommon for most families in the early to mid-90s, but makes sense given her dad's work). She said something about using a bulletin board system (BBS) and that she would often receive inappropriate messages from many "sexual predators", but the gist was that by being given unfettered access to such inappropriate things, she learned how to handle herself.

While this was an example of a post where she did kind of have a valid point about how parents of disabled children can sometimes go overboard with trying to ensure their safety, it just seems kind of unnerving to me that she immediately brought up her encounter with internet predators to illustrate her point. Seriously, I think she said this within the first paragraph of the post! And her tone came across as "Meh, nothing came of it" as if it was almost normal.

I'm more interested in Jeremy than Shane since he apparently never bought into any of this. We only have Amanda's former classmate/Jeremy's then-girlfriend's word, but I trust that a lot more than Amanda's ever-changing word.

This is good info, thanks!
I think I didn't see her post about her early internet use and her encounter with sexual predators... this is some heavy stuff. While I'm not one of those puritans, I think children having early access to things like that isn't very healthy, mentally speaking. If on top of that, her brother really abused her, well, no wonder why she turned crazy. Abuse can do a number on one's mental health. That's why I'm so interested in her family dynamics, because she gave me the feeling she had a less than ideal upbringing.

Shane sure sounds like the most normal from that family honestly, and I would believe him and his ex-gf before I would believe in Amanda.
 
This is good info, thanks!
I think I didn't see her post about her early internet use and her encounter with sexual predators... this is some heavy stuff. While I'm not one of those puritans, I think children having early access to things like that isn't very healthy, mentally speaking. If on top of that, her brother really abused her, well, no wonder why she turned crazy. Abuse can do a number on one's mental health. That's why I'm so interested in her family dynamics, because she gave me the feeling she had a less than ideal upbringing.

Shane sure sounds like the most normal from that family honestly, and I would believe him and his ex-gf before I would believe in Amanda.

Shane is actually the one accused of molestation. Jeremy is the normal, cousin Marilyn in this sordid Addams Family.

I think the post was from around 2006 before her CNN special. Those posts are the most telling because they often serve as as a record for the stuff people came forward with after the show aired. It's not like she heard the accusations first and then twisted them to fit her "truth". In fact, I'm convinced that had Amanda's main downfall was the CNN interview which brought her out of obscure online disability communities and into the homes of the general public where anyone and everyone can see her for themselves. Unfortunately, Amanda never considered — or had become too arrogant to consider — that the people who knew her before the autistic LARP would ever be watching. It's often been said that one of a criminal's biggest downfalls is their inability to keep their mouth shut about their misdeeds. I think that's true for Amanda.

Amanda also said that in addition to the predators, she often also played very violent games on the family's computer. Because the internet was so new at the time and most kids in her age group didn't have access to it at home or at school, she learned earlier than most of her peers how the anonymity of the internet can be used to deceive. This also meant that she wouldn't have learned certain social skills the way the other kids of her generation learned them via normal, face-to-face interaction.

I think it's all part of a rich tapestry.
 
Shane is actually the one accused of molestation. Jeremy is the normal, cousin Marilyn in this sordid Addams Family.

Oops, I've misread the names lol

I think the post was from around 2006 before her CNN special. Those posts are the most telling because they often serve as as a record for the stuff people came forward with after the show aired. It's not like she heard the accusations first and then twisted them to fit her "truth". In fact, I'm convinced that had Amanda's main downfall was the CNN interview which brought her out of obscure online disability communities and into the homes of the general public where anyone and everyone can see her for themselves. Unfortunately, Amanda never considered — or had become too arrogant to consider — that the people who knew her before the autistic LARP would ever be watching. It's often been said that one of a criminal's biggest downfalls is their inability to keep their mouth shut about their misdeeds. I think that's true for Amanda.

Interesting. I'm guessing Amanda was still a maladjusted person when she did the CNN interview, but not as bad as she became after getting 'famous', and the fact she was being watched by a lot more people made her scam a lot more obvious. I mean, it's one thing when you're lying for a select group of people who see you through rose-colored lens, but it's a whole different thing when regular people are observing you closer; they can piece things together and notice how much of a scam your whole sick persona actually is.

And yeah, the people who were closer to her (family and friends) who knew her before she turned herself into an autistic babbling mess %100 knew she was acting. I still can't decide if it was narcissistic tendencies or sheer dumbness that made her think she could just start acting like a different person all of sudden and nobody would notice anything was amiss.

Amanda also said that in addition to the predators, she often also played very violent games on the family's computer. Because the internet was so new at the time and most kids in her age group didn't have access to it at home or at school, she learned earlier than most of her peers how the anonymity of the internet can be used to deceive. This also meant that she wouldn't have learned certain social skills the way the other kids of her generation learned them via normal, face-to-face interaction.

So she had early access to sexual predators, online games, anonymity and god knows what other things without any supervision while most kids were out, socializing? Sounds about right, couldn't think of a more Amanda-esque scenario.
 
Oops, I've misread the names lol



Interesting. I'm guessing Amanda was still a maladjusted person when she did the CNN interview, but not as bad as she became after getting 'famous', and the fact she was being watched by a lot more people made her scam a lot more obvious. I mean, it's one thing when you're lying for a select group of people who see you through rose-colored lens, but it's a whole different thing when regular people are observing you closer; they can piece things together and notice how much of a scam your whole sick persona actually is.

And yeah, the people who were closer to her (family and friends) who knew her before she turned herself into an autistic babbling mess %100 knew she was acting. I still can't decide if it was narcissistic tendencies or sheer dumbness that made her think she could just start acting like a different person all of sudden and nobody would notice anything was amiss.



So she had early access to sexual predators, online games, anonymity and god knows what other things without any supervision while most kids were out, socializing? Sounds about right, couldn't think of a more Amanda-esque scenario.

I was never totally sure whether Amanda herself reached out to CNN wanting to be featured or if their staff got wind of the infamous "In My Language" video and wanted to meet her. If it was the latter, it may have snowballed so quickly that Amanda couldn't stop it. But I also feel that Amanda was in fact narcissistic enough to believe that even if someone did recognize her, she could easily talk her way out of it by crying ableism. She was probably also banking on people's unwillingness ever call out a disabled person for fear of being seen as a bully, something that does in fact happen more than it should.

Even after her former classmates put her on blast and people started questioning her, she still continued posting on her blog very frequently and seemed undeterred. It was only in 2011 when the members of WrongPlanet checked her that she panicked. WrongPlanet has its own thread on here and is full of whiny, obnoxious people who just want to circle jerk about how mean neurotypical society is and how nothing is ever their fault because Aspie. They really do take all kinds and even they finally told Amanda "Not today, Satan. Not today.". For the first time probably in her life, she couldn't talk her way out of a mess she created. She knew she really fucked up when WrongPlanet told her she was full of shit. Then came the one-year hiatus where she re-branded herself as the feeding tube bitch with a piss bag hanging out.

What little is known about her family sounds like they all could have used some thorough family counseling. I'd be very interested in knowing about how Ron and Anna raised the boys before Amanda was born.
 
I was able to find very general info about the older brothers on MyLife, but you have to pay to get the rest. In each one, there are links to Ron and Anna.

Shane: https://www.mylife.com/shane-baggs/e30343263816 (I don't understand what his occupation is. "Ninja at Novelis" sounds like some made-up anime shit that someone on DeviantArt would invent.)

Jeremy: https://www.mylife.com/jeremy-baggs/e30369006606

There's a little part of me that wonders if Amanda's claim of Shane sexually abusing her are really true. I tend to believe that they are because if you look at her blogging history, that's one of the only stories from her past that remains consistent throughout the whole charade. Almost any other detail or story she told about her childhood would change according to whatever topic she wanted to talk about in her blog post that day. I never realized until I looked back at her posts since she died how many times she would hint at sexual abuse.

The post about her father's work in the computer industry reminded me of an old post from her Ballastexistenz blog (which of course I can't find now!) where she discusses how sometimes parents overprotect their autistic kids. What struck me was when she mentioned her family's home computer which had internet (uncommon for most families in the early to mid-90s, but makes sense given her dad's work). She said something about using a bulletin board system (BBS) and that she would often receive inappropriate messages from many "sexual predators", but the gist was that by being given unfettered access to such inappropriate things, she learned how to handle herself.

While this was an example of a post where she did kind of have a valid point about how parents of disabled children can sometimes go overboard with trying to ensure their safety, it just seems kind of unnerving to me that she immediately brought up her encounter with internet predators to illustrate her point. Seriously, I think she said this within the first paragraph of the post! And her tone came across as "Meh, nothing came of it" as if it was almost normal.

I'm more interested in Jeremy than Shane since he apparently never bought into any of this. We only have Amanda's former classmate/Jeremy's then-girlfriend's word, but I trust that a lot more than Amanda's ever-changing word.

oh i strongly agree with her and many others points on parents being so over protective, and even controlling that they end up stifling, enabling a person as well as causing problems in the long run. like i have said before---- she was good at advocating, and she did legit, have the skills to focus and tune in and communicate and understand severely disabled people---- and a lot of her advocacy points were quite accurate, as other legit disabled people could attest and agree as well---but the fact that makes it all go out the window, is because she chose to morph herself and ''become '' disabled--- rather than just being an ally and advocate for the disabled ,

but because she was a lying attention seeking munchie that was all pretty much ruined, so....

but on te other topics of her dad, siblings, mom, ect, i would still be so curious to hear from all of them at some point, i agree, i would probably trust the siblings and all over any of amandas word thats for sure. even the one amanda claims he molested her, normally id believe most people, but given amanda track record, i would not put it past her to make up something like that since she was known for accusing other people over the years of ''endangering her'' stalking, harassing her'' ---- so due to the particular situation, id be hard pressed to believe he actually molested her.--- i mean sure the story is consistent, but so is her stories of folks that she claimed where harassing, stalking and so on...

That's why I want this thread to stay open: Now that shes dead the asspats from the autists may stop and people may begin to question her bullshit.

YES !! AMEN ! we can only hope

Oops, I've misread the names lol



Interesting. I'm guessing Amanda was still a maladjusted person when she did the CNN interview, but not as bad as she became after getting 'famous', and the fact she was being watched by a lot more people made her scam a lot more obvious. I mean, it's one thing when you're lying for a select group of people who see you through rose-colored lens, but it's a whole different thing when regular people are observing you closer; they can piece things together and notice how much of a scam your whole sick persona actually is.

And yeah, the people who were closer to her (family and friends) who knew her before she turned herself into an autistic babbling mess %100 knew she was acting. I still can't decide if it was narcissistic tendencies or sheer dumbness that made her think she could just start acting like a different person all of sudden and nobody would notice anything was amiss.



So she had early access to sexual predators, online games, anonymity and god knows what other things without any supervision while most kids were out, socializing? Sounds about right, coldn't think of a more Amanda-esque scenario.

--of course she was a maladjusted person, but not until she started spending her time and energy trying on different disability costumes and consuming her life with living as this and that disability, as her school mates and neighbors said, she was perfectly normal, only slightly odd in some ways, a little eccentric, but nothing too out there..... but she abandoned all that and became a maladjusted person through the years by doing this mess, she destroyed her whole life slowly. and went past the point of no return when she ''came out as autistic''. :(
 
oh i strongly agree with her and many others points on parents being so over protective, and even controlling that they end up stifling, enabling a person as well as causing problems in the long run. like i have said before---- she was good at advocating, and she did legit, have the skills to focus and tune in and communicate and understand severely disabled people---- and a lot of her advocacy points were quite accurate, as other legit disabled people could attest and agree as well---but the fact that makes it all go out the window, is because she chose to morph herself and ''become '' disabled--- rather than just being an ally and advocate for the disabled ,

but because she was a lying attention seeking munchie that was all pretty much ruined, so....

but on te other topics of her dad, siblings, mom, ect, i would still be so curious to hear from all of them at some point, i agree, i would probably trust the siblings and all over any of amandas word thats for sure. even the one amanda claims he molested her, normally id believe most people, but given amanda track record, i would not put it past her to make up something like that since she was known for accusing other people over the years of ''endangering her'' stalking, harassing her'' ---- so due to the particular situation, id be hard pressed to believe he actually molested her.--- i mean sure the story is consistent, but so is her stories of folks that she claimed where harassing, stalking and so on...

A thought just occurred to me about the brother Shane. Jeremy's ex claimed that she never really met Shane because he was essentially banished from the family because of the accusations by Amanda during the time she was with Jeremy. Is it possible that he really didn't do it but no one in the family would listen to him and he finally said "fuck it" and severed all ties? Also, even if Amanda "forgave" him and let him back into her life, that doesn't necessarily mean that the rest of the family did.

I think Anna is kind of at the center of most of this. There's no way that underage Amanda came up with this all on her own and as a respiratory therapist, Anna would have had more medical knowledge (both about diagnoses and how the healthcare system works in general) than most other parents. I also don't believe that such behavior started with the birth of Amanda and that the boys probably have some interesting experiences to tell. It reminds me in a way of Jazz Jennings' mother Jeannette in that the older kids are basically ignored while the baby of the family gets to be mommy's little victim angel.

I'm not excusing Amanda at all, but shit like this doesn't happen in a vacuum. I'm sure there's enough blame to go around if the whole story were to ever be uncovered.
 
A thought just occurred to me about the brother Shane. Jeremy's ex claimed that she never really met Shane because he was essentially banished from the family because of the accusations by Amanda during the time she was with Jeremy. Is it possible that he really didn't do it but no one in the family would listen to him and he finally said "fuck it" and severed all ties?

I think Anna is kind of at the center of most of this. There's no way that underage Amanda came up with this all on her own and as a respiratory therapist, Anna would have had more medical knowledge (both about diagnoses and how the healthcare system works in general) than most other parents. I also don't believe that such behavior started with the birth of Amanda and that the boys probably have some interesting experiences to tell. It reminds me in a way of Jazz Jennings' mother Jeannette in that the older kids are basically ignored while the baby of the family gets to be mommy's little victim angel.

I'm not excusing Amanda at all, but shit like this doesn't happen in a vacuum. I'm sure there's enough blame to go around if the whole story were to ever be uncovered.

actually i strongly feel like anna played a part in this, maybe she was some what of a munch by proxy, maybe a bit on the milder end---if there isa such thing?........ but anyways, since anna stayed in touch and kept a relationship with amanda through the years, i even met her once very briefly, , she was visiting from california, i was sick with the flu, she brought me some milk because i told amanda i had caught the flu and could not get to the store .... but i always felt something was off about anna, and after all this unraveled, im like, okay, any parent, whos child was faking disabilities, and or self inducing health, med, disability, illness what have ya... that parent would NOT indulge and enable !! most will cut them completely off, and rightfully so.... but nope, anna helped / went along with amanda with her charade .
 
actually i strongly feel like anna played a part in this, maybe she was some what of a munch by proxy, maybe a bit on the milder end---if there isa such thing?........ but anyways, since anna stayed in touch and kept a relationship with amanda through the years, i even met her once very briefly, , she was visiting from california, i was sick with the flu, she brought me some tard cum because i told amanda i had caught the flu and could not get to the store .... but i always felt something was off about anna, and after all this unraveled, im like, okay, any parent, whos child was faking disabilities, and or self inducing health, med, disability, illness what have ya... that parent would NOT indulge and enable !! most will cut them completely off, and rightfully so.... but nope, anna helped / went along with amanda with her charade .

I just can’t get over the fact that for as much as Amanda talked about how much she loved her dad, he seems to not exist in most stories about her childhood. It’s like the men in the family don’t exist to Amanda unless they’ve died or she’s accusing them of something.
 
I just can’t get over the fact that for as much as Amanda talked about how much she loved her dad, he seems to not exist in most stories about her childhood. It’s like the men in the family don’t exist to Amanda unless they’ve died or she’s accusing them of something.

yes and no, because there are pictures of her showing fond memories with her dad,like fishing, just sitting with him, she has talked about her dad, sporadically, but everything she said about him was positive and loving.
and she did mention that her and her dad had a great relationship and that they were strongly connected, and would sit together without saying anything, but would be communicating and having conversations. --- some of this was to talk about how autistic she was, but other times, it was just such normal, and very loving positive family connection.

she seemed to actually mention her dad more then her m om.... even though dad was brought up just off and on here n there, but dad at least has some pictures up on her blogs, and her flickr and other photo bucket type sites she belonged to.

but yes, most people in general male or female, she seemed to almost always be accusing them of this or that wrong-doing, or talked of them in various ways after they died or something.... even laura T , her best friend, and only real friend, she is rarely mentioned, and no pictures at all ! exept those couple of candid shots other people just happened to snap. everything said by amanda, was usually about amanda you know, ''me myself and I'' classic typical munchie , narcissistic personality.
 
yes and no, because there are pictures of her showing fond memories with her dad,like fishing, just sitting with him, she has talked about her dad, sporadically, but everything she said about him was positive and loving.
and she did mention that her and her dad had a great relationship and that they were strongly connected, and would sit together without saying anything, but would be communicating and having conversations. --- some of this was to talk about how autistic she was, but other times, it was just such normal, and very loving positive family connection.

she seemed to actually mention her dad more then her m om.... even though dad was brought up just off and on here n there, but dad at least has some pictures up on her blogs, and her flickr and other photo bucket type sites she belonged to.

but yes, most people in general male or female, she seemed to almost always be accusing them of this or that wrong-doing, or talked of them in various ways after they died or something.... even laura T , her best friend, and only real friend, she is rarely mentioned, and no pictures at all ! exept those couple of candid shots other people just happened to snap. everything said by amanda, was usually about amanda you know, ''me myself and I'' classic typical munchie , narcissistic personality.

That's really interesting that she talked more about her dad than her mom in real life because it seems somewhat the opposite online. Although as you said, 99% of Amanda's posts were about Amanda.

This post always struck me as typical munchie passive-aggression. I like the way the first comment calls her out and then a few post later, some asspatter tells that person "See? That's exactly what Amanda is talking about!".

 
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Because the internet was so new at the time and most kids in her age group didn't have access to it at home or at school, she learned earlier than most of her peers how the anonymity of the internet can be used to deceive

I feel like this explains a lot.
 
I feel like this explains a lot.

Yeah, Amanda was like the Tumblrina of the 1990s. She got at least a decade or so head start on the current SJW generation.

even laura T , her best friend, and only real friend, she is rarely mentioned, and no pictures at all ! exept those couple of candid shots other people just happened to snap. everything said by amanda, was usually about amanda you know, ''me myself and I'' classic typical munchie , narcissistic personality.

Until Amanda's death, I had totally forgotten about Laura and assumed they had parted ways years ago since she rarely mentioned her in the last several years of her life. I'd be curious to know if they met initially online in an autism group back in the early days of the interwebz or after she came to Vermont. Amanda referring to her as a "second mother" seems very apt not only because of the 23-year age gap, but because Laura apparently enabled the shit out of her like Anna did.

In munchie scenarios, there always has to be one enabler. Amanda had at least two...that we know of.
 
Yeah, Amanda was like the Tumblrina of the 1990s. She got at least a decade or so head start on the current SJW generation.



Until Amanda's death, I had totally forgotten about Laura and assumed they had parted ways years ago since she rarely mentioned her in the last several years of her life. I'd be curious to know if they met initially online in an autism group back in the early days of the interwebz or after she came to Vermont. Amanda referring to her as a "second mother" seems very apt not only because of the 23-year age gap, but because Laura apparently enabled the shit out of her like Anna did.

In munchie scenarios, there always has to be one enabler. Amanda had at least two...that we know of.


yeah amanda was an original proverbial tumble-tard as far as the interwebs goes lol, her and a small collection of weirdos, and it grew from there as we all know.

no, Amanda met laura online, in a early forum, and she moved TO Vermont from California, to be closer to laura, and yes after everything that has happened, i do feel like laura had very much fed into and enabled Amanda, b ut Laura T is no prize either, she may or may not be actually legitimately disabled, but either way, laura T has let herself go and was all into ''acceptance'' and neer made any efforts to better herself or minimize any disabilities or illnesses, she is a 500+ pound woman in a wheelchair who rarely leaves her apartment, that is not anything even close to a quality life !

laura T though, i honestly do not know enough about her to say if she is also a munchie, it is very possible she is to a degree, and i always felt something was very off about laura ,
 
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