Abortion - An age old issue

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AnOminous dijo:
He's saying he's an angry fag who is pissed off by the very existence of vaginas and uteruses, which disgust him (he is literally that much of a fag), but he also hates the women they're attached to being able to control what goes on in them.
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Having sex with a pussy is the gayest act I can imagine.

Straight men are not very manly. If you were really manly you would not allow your penis to be swallowed by a pussy. That is very submissive. Having sex with a pussy is the gayest act I can imagine. A real manly man would be all man all the time and only fuck and be friends with men. You would only allow your penis to touch other penises and your sex would look a lot like swordplay.


eating pussy is gay because you're litterally slurping down estrogen. and long term relationships have been proven to lower testosterone.
 
I don't care if abortion is murder. Keep the population down faggot. Why reget and think about a life that was never lived? Sure that kid could make a breakthrough in science, or he could murder someone.

Stop being a moral fag.
 
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Abortion is a necessary evil.

It is primarily a public health issue. Keeping it legal means providing a space to have it done in a clean, sterile environment, carried out by medical professionals who know what the fuck they're doing. Pro-lifers seem to be under the notion that if abortions were made illegal they would magically go away. That's not the case. The precursor to Roe v. Wade was literally the mental image of the coat hanger, women either stabbing themselves with sharp objects or paying unscrupulous amateurs to do the same. More often than not, the result was both a dead fetus and the dead woman who bled to death taking the matter into her own hands.

Abortion has existed since humans understood the mechanics of conception, and understand this: if a pregnant woman truly does not want her pregnancy, then deprived of safe options, she will find a way to halt that condition whether she dies or not.

But of course there's the question of where life begins, which to me is where the abortion issue become a kind of Zen riddle. The idea that it begins at conception or even as a clump of barely formed cells is a largely subjective viewpoint. There's no science behind the line where it starts, only theories and speculations. However, at six months that thing pretty much looks like a human infant and that's when I start getting bothered.
 
Hate to necro a thread but I've seen a lot of people mention rape when talking about abortion, but rapes only account for <1% of abortion. The woman should just not sleep around with a man she won't marry. It's still murder. It's never acceptable.
 
Every woman should have the choice as long as it isnt late into the pregnancy. Also I don’t think a woman should have like unlimited abortions but I think every woman deserves at least one if they want one.

To me, a baby isn’t a baby till its heart and/or brain are functioning. Even so, sometimes with certain illnesses it doesn’t matter how far along the woman is because in the end its done to end suffering.

Summary: I am prochoice if people aren’t using it as a excuse to be irresponsible.
 
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IMO if you can think of a single reason for someone to get an abortion, you are pro choice.
I think what a lot of people forget is that abortions are often medically necessary. For example. if something goes wrong with the pregnancy it can put the life of the mother at risk, and it may be necessary to abort the child in order to prevent the mother from dying. Most late term abortions are on children who are wanted by the parents, and something goes wrong. Very rarely would someone go "Oh I've been carrying this fetus for 7 months, but you know what? It's time to flush this bitch." I don't think something can be considered alive until it has brain function, which is about 6 weeks into pregnancy I think? That's a reasonable amount of time to figure out your pregnant
 
Personally, I do wish men could have more say in the abortion process. If a guy decides he wants the kid but the mother doesn't, and he's willing to help with pregnancy expenses and medical bills, then I think it's unfair to go full "muh body muh choice" on him. But at the same time carrying a pregnancy to term obviously affects the mother far more even if she was just going to dump the kid on someone else right afterwards.

I do think there's value to human life, but that's honestly part of why I don't have too much an issue with abortion. I know everyone's favorite stereotype of women who abort is the Stronk Career Womyn who selfishly murders her child so she can climb a corporate/government ladder, but that's a minority of cases. Most women who get abortions are usually very young and very poor, and often already have several children. They simply can't afford to support a kid and the child services in the US are so fucking useless that baby isn't going to have much better luck in the government's hand. So while I wish we lived in a society where abortion wasn't necessary, the sad reality is we kind of do.
 
Morally, I'm very conservative when it comes to abortion. I think when a condition is incompatible with life, either the fetus' or mother's, it's completely justified.

Legally? Restricting someone's bodily autonomy is a terrible idea. If a doctor wants to risk his license, that's on him/her.
 
Dunno. I'm in Europe and we don't have the pro-choice vs pro-life argument.
In Greece, you can have an abortion for free in a public hospital, with your social security (ika) and all,
or you can go to a private hospital and pay 500 euros. Hospital, with various departments not abortion clinics.
We don't have such things here. Also, here about 90% of pregnancies with Down syndrome result in abortion.

I mean, a greek journalist, about 45 years old, have admitted in an interview having multiple abortions and affairs with married men and nobody batted an eye. Now happily married with two sons.

I think that we should have proper sex education in schools (and we don't-Greek Orthodox Church is a pain in the ass), and psychological support for women.I really get sad when I see american films or documentaries with pro-life protesters being that nasty to women who chose to have an abortion. It's their right.

Even tho, I don't like the idea of someone who had 3+ abortions, like you must be irresponsible to some extent.
 
I don’t know if I could go through with one but I’d certainly want the option. Taking away abortion doesn’t stop abortion. It just leads to infanticide and DIY pregnancy terminations. (For example, Brazil. Lots of stories about cytotec and botched jobs from unqualified doctors over there.)
 
NimertiS dijo:
Also, here about 90% of pregnancies with Down syndrome result in abortion.
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Those statistics are slightly misleading though. 90% of pregnancies with definite Down syndrome diagnosis are terminated in Europe, that's true.

But to have a definite Down syndrome diagnosis, you need to have had an initial prenatal test which gives an indication that your fetus has Down syndrome, and subsequently you need to have a follow up test to confirm that it definitely has Down syndrome (no one wants to terminate a non-Down baby by accident).

You have parents who don't want the initial test (16% or so in Europe), and their pregnancies are therefore never diagnosed prenatally as Down pregnancies. Then you have parents (20% or so) who refuse the follow up test to confirm the diagnosis, since they'll continue the pregnancy anyway and therefore they never receive a definite Down diagnosis. The "90% of Down pregnancies are terminated" are only the group for who it's really important whether their kid has Down or not and did both tests.

The amount of actual Down births has ultimately remained relatively steady (in Europe) since we've been getting older (a risk factor for Down's) and we hardly abort every Down baby.
 
One thing I've always been kind of surprised about is when an adult TV show has a special needs character (Adrian Monk from Monk, Temperance Brannen from Bones, Sheldon from Big Bang Theory) they never seem to run into anyone that tell them that the world would've been better off if they had been aborted. People who's mental symptoms that are as bad as those three usually run into at least one person who snaps at them and tells them something along the lines of "Life would've been better if your parents had used the half off coupon for Planned Parenthood!" Given how liberal TV is you'd think this would come up as well as said characters advising parents it would be much better to abort the kid than bring another one like them into the world.
 
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