2024 UK general election - Place to watch and discuss just how fucked we are

[HairyBadger]

I have no time for Jess Phillips, a nasty, aggressive piece of crap out of Birmingham, she is the one that accused Sargon of verbal rape or some such.

She is well known as one of the #imigrantswelcome crowd.

She retained her seat by about 700 votes against Jody McIntyre. Jody is the product of 2 muslim cousins fucking.
Jody is physically disabled and confined to a wheelchair, jody is also mentally disabled as he supports islamic terrorism.
During Phillips acceptance speach, Jody on the far left of the picture is seen consistently showing the 1 islam hand signal while his supporters tried to shout Phillips down.

Phillips was interviewed after this and its quite clear it has taken a toll on her emotionally, very close to breaking down on camera.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

Phillips was interviewed after this and its quite clear it has taken a toll on her emotionally, very close to breaking down on camera.

Let me guess, she blames this on white right-wing men?

 

[HairyBadger]

Let me guess, she blames this on white right-wing men?

While on a personal level I can feel some empathy for her, it can't been nice, being targeted, but she did invite it.

 

[HairyBadger]

Not like Labour could really say otherwise. They'd just have to smile and nod.

A hypothetical Islamic party getting more seats than Reform would've been spicy as hell.

Technically they did. They registered as Independents running on Palestine / Gaza platforms.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

While on a personal level I can feel some empathy for her, it can't been nice, being targeted, but she did invite it.

I absolutely have sympathy for what she went through.

That she refuses to call out exactly who and why means she is fine with the exact same things happening to someone else because she knows calling it out will hurt her politicly. So she has put her own ambition ahead of stopping that happing again.

 

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Technically they did. They registered as Independents running on Palestine / Gaza platforms.

Reform got 5 and they got 5 (unless you're counting Corbyn for some reason) That's less than Sinn Fein so whatever.

I don't know what the magic number is before people are like "hmmm." 15 would be doable and that's more than LD had from 2015-2024

 

[HairyBadger]

Reform got 5 and they got 5 (unless you're counting Corbyn for some reason) That's less than Sinn Fein so whatever.

I don't know what the magic number is before people are like "hmmm." 15 would be doable and that's more than LD had from 2015-2024

The Libdems are to the best of my knowledge not associated with murderous exploding people.

The number you are looking for is 9%. When a minority in a localised community reaches 9% they have a tendency to start demanding accommodations to placate their original home systems. At 12% they start to get involved in local politics and at 18% they start to demand changes to local systems. At 20% those changes begin to take place despite objections from local communities.

This is taken from a French study in the late 90's, when I sober up I'll look for it and link.

 

[Welsh Catgirl Enjoyer]

Seems like they just fucked up the paperwork?

With an overall low turnout for Labour especially in safe seats, they could've done some damage if they wanted to.

Ilford North, where they only lost to Wes Streeting by 500 votes, is 30.5% Muslim. There are 19 constituencies with a higher % of Muslims of that. Those are probably all up for grabs.

(then of course you also have shit like whatever went down in Birmingham Hall Green & Moseley where LAB won because too many Gaza guys were running so it's not really that simple, but I'm sure they could've got more seats if they organized.)

If it's true that they just fucked up the paperwork then British Islam Party could definitely be a thing in 2029, given they would have 5 years to begin the paperwork, cross the T and dot the Is. If the electoral commission rejects again, then an early start gives them a lot of time to kick up a stink about it.

A little more co-ordination under the structure of a party, and they're gonna absolutely split the labour vote in 2029. It would be a comedically ironic way for establishment politics to fall, by having their vote split by the migrants they imported to increase their own voting numbers. This actually might push for immigration change since the issue is now on their doorstep.

If we can get rid of FPTP then we could possibly have Reform leverage more power in parliament. Though the big three benefit too much from FPTP. Plus you could also end up with a hell of a lot of British Islamic Party MPs.

 

[Terra Pax]

If we can get rid of FPTP then we could possibly have Reform leverage more power in parliament. Though the big three benefit too much from FPTP. Plus you could also end up with a hell of a lot of British Islamic Party MPs.

I can;t believe that we're back to calling the Lib Dems part of the "big three", what a time to be alive. But yeah, hopefully we can see some more push towards ending FPTP voting again. I think that the Lib Dems would still be for it (like they were over a decade ago with AV), but it would require coordination between them, Reform and the Greens which is unlikely to occur because of optics reasons.

I'd like to think that any attempt at getting somekind of Islamic Party would fail because of sectarian infighting and petty ethnic tribalry between those involved. They're also called minorities for a reason.

 

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I'd like to think that any attempt at getting somekind of Islamic Party would fail because of sectarian infighting and petty ethnic tribalry between those involved. They're also called minorities for a reason.

Big tent parties united around a single issue can work for a little while. That's basically what the SNP was.

Otherwise yeah, trying to get, for example, rich Turkish business owners together in a party with young Muslim Corbynites is going to lead to issues.

 

[Welsh Catgirl Enjoyer]

I can;t believe that we're back to calling the Lib Dems part of the "big three", what a time to be alive.

They've always been the third wheel, but this election has definitely made them punch way above their weight. It's why I think they're not too keen to get rid of FPTP. It helps to elevate them above the other non-labcon parties.

Tbh, I think the best and most irrefutable way to demonstrate how fucked the voting system is right now is to compare lib dems and reform.

Lib dems got 17x more seats than reform with 85% of the popular vote that reform got.

I get that it's not all about popular vote, since direct democracy just incentivizes large cities to faceroll the elections and politicians to solely focus on enrichment for the cities, often at the cost of the rest of the country, but those numbers are extremely fucked.

 

[The Hardest R]

It’s not a smart idea to create an Islam party and have to build up the infrastructure for it, it’s much easier and more effective to work within the existing parties. The future of the UK appears to be the Pakis in Labour and the Jeets in the Tories. Whoever wins, Brits lose.

 

[Cirrhosis_of_Liver]

It’s not a smart idea to create an Islam party and have to build up the infrastructure for it, it’s much easier and more effective to work within the existing parties. The future of the UK appears to be the Pakis in Labour and the Jeets in the Tories. Whoever wins, Brits lose.

Muslims should not dirty themselves shaking hands with unbelievers.

 

[Welsh Catgirl Enjoyer]

It’s not a smart idea to create an Islam party and have to build up the infrastructure for it, it’s much easier and more effective to work within the existing parties. The future of the UK appears to be the Pakis in Labour and the Jeets in the Tories. Whoever wins, Brits lose.

If you're a fundamentalist Muslim then it's probably seen as a necessary step. Labour trying to get along with minorities that are hated by Islam is a problem for them. I don't think they probably support the gender ideology shit for example.

It's probably in their long-term interest to grow a voter base using labour, then to jump ship and go for their own party.

 

[Judge Dredd]

Lolcow Short Fat Otaku did a video about the election. Fairly basic overview, but refreshing compared to "the UK voted commie!" takes I'm seeing.

 

[Welsh Catgirl Enjoyer]

Dev is right here.

Reform are the big winners for sure. The way the popular vote and seats awarded ended up gives them a lot of legitimacy to say that the system is rigged and possibly go after FPTP in the future.

Labour victory is big but brittle. If they somehow do well then next 5 years and make me eat my words, then 2029 can basically just be strengthening their sizable majority. If not, then 2029 is going to be a fun year.

The fun thing is that with Reform taking such a big percentage of the popular vote, it forces the anti-reform base to say a huge part of the country is racist and evil (which makes them seem unhinged for attacking 15% of the country), or say they are uneducated (in which case, they'd better not be forming your political opinions from headlines and tweets).

 

[Overly Serious]

The fun thing is that with Reform taking such a big percentage of the popular vote, it forces the anti-reform base to say a huge part of the country is racist and evil (which makes them seem unhinged for attacking 15% of the country), or say they are uneducated (in which case, they'd better not be forming your political opinions from headlines and tweets).

That exact scenario happened with Brexit already, though.

 

[teriyakiburns]

it forces the anti-reform base to say a huge part of the country is racist and evil (which makes them seem unhinged for attacking 15% of the country), or say they are uneducated (in which case, they'd better not be forming your political opinions from headlines and tweets).

This has never been an issue for them before. The intersectional left (I would say americanised, but that seems to set off the mutts) has a long history of insisting that just about everything the typical English or Irish native holds dear is actually a sign of racism, fascism, ignorance, and hate. I remember Trevor Phillips, head of the Commission for Racial Equality (and later the Equality and Human Rights Commission) running his mouth about the union flag being irredeemably racist, then folling up with the same claims about the Welsh and English flags, along with the claim that the majority of Britons were overtly racist. I remember Jack Straw, when he was Home Secretary, welcoming any report or inquiry that would let him browbeat native Britons as a bunch of racist morons and justify whatever plan to stomp on their rights he'd cooked up that week. Labour will have absolutely no qualms declaring the entire country to be hopelessly, irredeemably racist if it gives them even the slightest justification to implement sweeping new oppressive laws and import eleventy billion more pakis.

Although, in fairness, they'd be saying nothing that the Tories haven't said for the past 20 years. They'd just be a bit louder.

 

[Thabo Mbeki]

Conspiracy going around that some of the Reform candidates may not actually be real people:

 

[BongoMongo]

If the rapefugees don't get your daughters, then a Socialist driven HMRC will absolutely take your money to pound town.

They're all a shower of cunts and the whole party system needs razed to ground, with the cunts involved Mussolini'd (in Minecraft, obviously). However, it serves the people actually in charge, well so it's going nowhere, and efen if it did get in the bin, whatever replacement woukd be whatever They approve and best suits Their means and needs.

If voting made a difference, if it meant shit, you and I would not be allowed to do it.