Chris - The Legal Issues - A Prosecutor's Perspective

[Mariposa Electrique]

I was wondering about this in another thread - Cole is now Barb's next of kin now, if Chris has a no contact order, right? For all everyone was sperging about his reactions, hes the one that social services and legal would have to reach out to as -from what we know, although he has gone no contact with her there hasn't been any legal disconnect with them - they would go to him to figure out if the house has to be sold to pay for care and maybe whose care Chris can be discharged into? And this wouldn't just be a Va thing - I believe Cole is in NYC?

It doesn't matter. He's not legally required to do anything for her and vice versa.

 

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Many prisons, and some jails these days, have iPads (well, ancient Android tablets actually) available for prisoners for free or to buy.

So Chris might be able to watch movies and play games. And more importantly for our purposes: Send and receive messages and voice/video calls.

An ex coworker of mine is doing 11 years for a similar crime as Chris's. He can use email, but only if he's VERY GOOD and rents the computer time. I imagine he can make voice calls if he's similarly well behaved. Video calls? I doubt it.

If Chris is in jail he won't be making any more youtube videos, not even with all the glow in the dark fungus spawn whores helping him in the world. We might get random spergouts in the form of emails to various trolls that are reproduced.

 

[Mek Quake]

It doesn't matter. He's not legally required to do anything for her and vice versa.

Oh yeah I know he doesn't have to - it was just looking at all the sperging about coles reaction made me think that actually, if Barb goes into care, they'll have to assess branchland to see if that has to be sold to pay for it - chris cant be involved for reasons, so Cole is legally the next in line to decide what happens to branchland and all that sails in her. I'm less interested in his reaction than who becomes legally responsible for all the madness that is their house now.

 

[Thomas Talus]

We might not view mac and cheese and frozen pizza as luxuries, but it's better than the default servings.

From what I hear, a lot of things are better than nutraloaf.

 

[Fapcop]

Foolish me, I thought some weens bought Chris a literal tugboat as a nest egg.

Where did the tugboat reference referring to his SSI benefits come from?

Wait, wait, wait... How in the fuck would a litteral tugboat be a “nest egg”?!?

Do they increase in value, or is there like a market for antique tugboats or something?

Can you freelance as a tugboat captain?!

Weens buying Chris an actual tugboat might be one of the most autistic and hilarious trolling plans ever conceived.


Imagine an SSI-less Chris getting out of jail after 8-10 years. No place to live, but here are the keys to a tugboat we bought you, and a captains hat!

Chris can sleep on the boat, but if he wants any money for food and toys he needs to put his little tugboat to use in order to make some money.

MAKE THIS HAPPEN WEENS!

I want a tugboat/maritime disaster saga!

 

[Cold Root Beer]

An ex coworker of mine is doing 11 years for a similar crime as Chris

Your ex-coworker fucked his own mother?

 

[Fapcop]

I had thought Chris would have been fine with having that money in prison to get the perks at the commissary and such, but it sounds like he won't have any money while in there. Prison food it pretty much above starvation rations, so he'll probably end up losing a lot of weight.

Well, he will have his tugboat at least until a conviction.
If he has half a brain, he’ll save up as much as he can and hold on to that money for dear life, since it might have to last him for many years. Cancel all bill payments, all his Patreon bullshit, and he might save up quite an amount.

We can of course be sure that this is the exact opposite of what he’ll do, and will instead keep funding some pony faggots on Patreon and pay for a cellphone plan while in county jail.

Yeah, doing commissions would probably be the only way to do it, however if the other convicts find out Chris can just magically make money appear by begging, there will be more than a few that most likely will try to get Chris to do that.

Once again Chris’s laziness bites him in the ass. If he had been more serious about commissions and paid work instead of shitting his pants and babbling about da merge, he would have had a solid customer base and interactions with people who might have been willing to help out while he’s in the slammer:

Forward requests to him, handle customers, transfer the money to his prison account. That kinda stuff.

It would have been a stable income and could have made prison more bearable.

 

[Mariposa Electrique]

I was wondering from a legal perspective, yes, Bella is a terrible person, and she should be punished for her crimes, but there's no indication that she made Chris do anything. I was just wondering if the defense might try to use half-truths and present them as real truths to get free Chris. From a legal perspective, will this work, it looks like morons with an agenda are intentionally trying to shift blame. I just don't know if this could skew a potential outcome in Chris' favor when a lot of it is not true.....at least the parts of about Bella's relationship with Chris.

 

[Miss Misery]

The protection order barring Chris from the house ended days ago. As long as Barb doesn't go home, and it sounds like she may be in no condition to, there's nothing stopping them from letting him bail and go home.

Except Chris is in jail until mid-September with no bail, so that's kind of stopping him...

I believe CVRJ is one of the dormitory style facilities. A big room with a bunch of bunk beds. Chris wouldn't have his own space to keep anything other than a few small items anyway, if his stuff doesn't get outright stolen.

It has dorm blocks, regular cell blocks, and at least one ad seg block. Chris is almost certainly in the latter.

Blame the people who would smuggle in LSD by dipping the letter paper in it. That's also why books have to come from the publisher or Amazon. People would do things like slip a shiv or other contraband into the spine.

LSD? Oh my sweet summer child... everyone wants a "happy card" these days - a greeting card soaked in meth.

From what I hear, a lot of things are better than nutraloaf.

Nutraloaf is essentially a myth at this point. Meals in seg get served in cell on trays so they're usually cold, but they're pretty much the same food everyone else gets.

 

[robobobo]

I was wondering from a legal perspective, yes, Bella is a terrible person, and she should be punished for her crimes, but there's no indication that she made Chris do anything. I was just wondering if the defense might try to use half-truths and present them as real truths to get free Chris. From a legal perspective, will this work, it looks like morons with an agenda are intentionally trying to shift blame. I just don't know if this could skew a potential outcome in Chris' favor when a lot of it is not true.....at least the parts of about Bella's relationship with Chris.

From a legal perspective, anything can work if you can convince a jury to go with it. Beyond a reasonable doubt and all that. However, bear in mind that the prosecution does not sit idle. Whatever crazy shit Chris blabbed to the cops, whatever they got off Barb, the pile of horrifying used condoms since Chris wasn't taking the trash out, the prosecution is gathering evidence before the trial to support their position. If the prosecutor goes in front of the jury and shows them Barb's potato brain and destroyed vagina and plays Chris's meandering justification for it that he told the cops, they are not liable to be in a mood to let him go, regardless of whatever dirt people dig up on Bella.

 

[Pvt. Real G]

I really can’t imagine Chris being capable of re-applying for SSI on his own.

Especially considering his (granted, ancient) comments about how he got the SSI, which according to Chris sounded like a Herculean effort involving friends in high places and all of Bob’s influence as kind of a big deal.


Oh well, I’m sure that there’ll be a social worker or someone similar available on or after release who can help him.


Another issue is whether Chris would be able to get it?


I would think, though I’m not sure, that they’ve tightened up on gibs since 20 years ago. (Would a Doctor today approve Chris for SSI?)

Another issue is of course that Bob is dead (though I’m not sure how that would affect possible SSI) and that documentation is needed.

Documention that will likely be thrown out when the Bank comes for the house.

I could easily see this resulting in either a drawn out years long process, or Chris not getting it at all.


And Chris without his tugboat is as fucked as Chris can ever be. He has never worked for a living, and through all the years, his little tugboat has been one constant and safety blanket.

I could easily see him completely lose his fucking sanity (or what remains of it) faced with this prospect.

Losing his tugboat might fuck Chris mentally worse than any prison sentence.

Yea, but there are always social workers and volunteer/ religious groups that are open in helping the downtrodden. All Chris has to do is approach these organizations and act tard, and somebody will most likely help him reapply since they are experts in getting every social benefit available from the government.

 

[haunted vagina]

It doesn't matter. He's not legally required to do anything for her and vice versa.

If he's in another state then the amount of effort that Virginia is going to put into telling him that he "has to" deal with the house, Barb's long-term care, Chris's post-release plan etc is going to be limited to trying to call him once and then saying "oh well" when he tells them to fuck off.

 

[Pointless Sperg]

I had thought Chris would have been fine with having that money in prison to get the perks at the commissary and such, but it sounds like he won't have any money while in there. Prison food it pretty much above starvation rations, so he'll probably end up losing a lot of weight.

Yeah, doing commissions would probably be the only way to do it, however if the other convicts find out Chris can just magically make money appear by begging, there will be more than a few that most likely will try to get Chris to do that.

I imagine that Chris will blow through any money he has on the various insanely priced prison services. There is a whole industry dedicated to overcharging prisoners for stuff.

On the plus side we might discover that Chris has developed an addiction to The Whole Shebang potato chips. (Canadians will recognize these as "all dressed" chips. Until recently the only place all dressed chips were sold in the US were in prison commissaries. Ex-cons would often lament that they couldn't get their "Shebang" anymore once they got out, and didn't know that they are common in Canada. Lately I've been seeing all dressed chips in American grocery stores, but ex-cons only know them as "whole shebang".)

 

[AnOminous]

I was wondering about this in another thread - Cole is now Barb's next of kin now, if Chris has a no contact order, right? For all everyone was sperging about his reactions, hes the one that social services and legal would have to reach out to as -from what we know, although he has gone no contact with her there hasn't been any legal disconnect with them - they would go to him to figure out if the house has to be sold to pay for care and maybe whose care Chris can be discharged into? And this wouldn't just be a Va thing - I believe Cole is in NYC?

Given Barb's level of responsibility she probably dies intestate and in that case, they're both equally related to her and would share her estate of nothing but debts.

LSD? Oh my sweet summer child... everyone wants a "happy card" these days - a greeting card soaked in meth.

Apparently K2 and other shit like that too. With LSD you could actually have enough to sell a hundred or more doses. Effective dose is measured in micrograms. Same with some other goofy deep web research chemicals. Meth requires a high enough dose this would just be recreational levels for one or two people.

 

[Fapcop]

Yea, but there are always social workers and volunteer/ religious groups that are open in helping the downtrodden. All Chris has to do is approach these organizations and act tard, and somebody will most likely help him reapply since they are experts in getting every social benefit available from the government.

Given Barb's level of responsibility she probably dies intestate and in that case, they're both equally related to her and would share her estate of nothing but debts.

Apparently K2 and other shit like that too. With LSD you could actually have enough to sell a hundred or more doses. Effective dose is measured in micrograms. Same with some other goofy deep web research chemicals. Meth requires a high enough dose this would just be recreational levels for one or two people.

Actual, real LSD is pretty rare these days no? From what I hear, much of what is sold as LSD is other hallucinogens that doesn’t quite take a doctorate in organic chemistry to manufacture, the way LSD does. It’s extreme potency makes it easy to smuggle though. I bet US prisons were a lot more fun when it was still around.

Yea, but there are always social workers and volunteer/ religious groups that are open in helping the downtrodden. All Chris has to do is approach these organizations and act tard, and somebody will most likely help him reapply since they are experts in getting every social benefit available from the government.

Sure, but is it even possible? Bob has been dead for a while, and I’m pretty sure you need paperwork and documentation en masse to apply.

(Documentation that Chris won’t have!)

I’d love to hear from someone with some background/experience in gibs how this would play out.

I mean, a large part of those who apply get turned down the first time, so I wonder how the system would react to a random tard who shows up and starts rambling about patents and plastic bottles, when you ask him for documentation he’s even eligible.

 

[AnOminous]

Actual, real LSD is pretty rare these days no? From what I hear, much of what is sold as LSD is other hallucinogens that doesn’t quite take a doctorate in organic chemistry to manufacture, the way LSD does. It’s extreme potency makes it easy to smuggle though. I bet US prisons were a lot more fun when it was still around.

Yes, 20 years back they caught the one guy literally responsible for most of it in the country and nobody really ever took his place. The Rainbow Family that used to follow the Dead around probably still has access to some but it's a rare thing to see at all. Most of the other stuff that could be used on paper practically (as in dealer quantities) is really inferior research chemicals like 5-MeO-DMT and the 2C-x series. These are popular for often being of questionable legality rather than "mandatory life sentence" legality.

 

[Dionysus]

Interesting. I really appreciate being able to go over all of this from the perspective of someone more familiar with law than a layperson. I do think it would be better for Chris and the people around him if he were put into a facility that could be dedicated to watching him, but I was never entirely on the side of people who thought that prison would do him any good mentally.

I also absolutely never thought he would walk, but wasn't sure what the options were besides Prison and Loony Bin, knowing there's another option at all that involves Chris not being held while still being charged definitely gives a lot to think about in regards to the future of the Farm's Founding Cow.

I'm hoping that when it goes to court someone will be able to quietly attend and come back with more info, as I would be curious to see exactly how everything goes down, what's said, and exactly how both sides--but especially Chris' lawyer, attempt to talk about things. Assuming there's an 'interesting' trial at all and they do anything other than the proposed cut and dry pleading guilty in an effort to escape prison time.

I haven't read through this whole thread yet so I'll refrain from any questions for now. But thank you for taking the time to write all this up.

 

[Fapcop]

I was wondering from a legal perspective, yes, Bella is a terrible person, and she should be punished for her crimes, but there's no indication that she made Chris do anything. I was just wondering if the defense might try to use half-truths and present them as real truths to get free Chris. From a legal perspective, will this work, it looks like morons with an agenda are intentionally trying to shift blame. I just don't know if this could skew a potential outcome in Chris' favor when a lot of it is not true.....at least the parts of about Bella's relationship with Chris.

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A good defender would try and use whatever to confuse the issues and take the widest latitude of “reasonable doubt”.

A good question is how Chris would react to it though. We know he’s extremely proud of being “high functioning” and I could easily see him resist and even try to sabotage attempts at being portrayed as a naive simpleton being played like a toy until he didn't know right from wrong.

Yes, 20 years back they caught the one guy literally responsible for most of it in the country and nobody really ever took his place. The Rainbow Family that used to follow the Dead around probably still has access to some but it's a rare thing to see at all. Most of the other stuff that could be used on paper practically (as in dealer quantities) is really inferior research chemicals like 5-MeO-DMT and the 2C-x series. These are popular for often being of questionable legality rather than "mandatory life sentence" legality.

Ah yes, the whole Kansas rocket silo case, right?

Damn, I’m glad I had a chance to experience the real thing back in the day.

Only once but that was enough, lol!

Interesting. I really appreciate being able to go over all of this from the perspective of someone more familiar with law than a layperson. I do think it would be better for Chris and the people around him if he were put into a facility that could be dedicated to watching him, but I was never entirely on the side of people who thought that prison would do him any good mentally.

I also absolutely never thought he would walk, but wasn't sure what the options were besides Prison and Loony Bin, knowing there's another option at all that involves Chris not being held while still being charged definitely gives a lot to think about in regards to the future of the Farm's Founding Cow.

I'm hoping that when it goes to court someone will be able to quietly attend and come back with more info, as I would be curious to see exactly how everything goes down, what's said, and exactly how both sides--but especially Chris' lawyer, attempt to talk about things. Assuming there's an 'interesting' trial at all and they do anything other than the proposed cut and dry pleading guilty in an effort to escape prison time.

I haven't read through this whole thread yet so I'll refrain from any questions for now. But thank you for taking the time to write all this up.

Hate to disappoint you, but I really don’t see Chris being put in a “special care” facility of any kind.

There are a lot of people out there, both in jail and not, who are far worse off than Chris mentally, who aren’t put in one.


It generally takes quite a bit more than being a lazy, entitled autist who shits his pants to be put in a special facility/group home.

And Chris would of course also fight tooth and nail to prevent any loss of independence, even if it was beneficial for him.

The thing with Chris is, that he’s not unable to live a regular adult life, like some speds and mentally ill people are.

He just chooses not to and so far has never been forced to.

Prison, and a possible loss of SSI might change that. Though fuck... Was it a ten year sentence that would take away his gibs permanently?

I’d hate to be a 50 year old Chris with zero job experience and zero income. He’ll probably bang on the gates of his prison to be let back in.

 

[Dionysus]

Hate to disappoint you, but I really don’t see Chris being put in a “special care” facility of any kind.

There are a lot of people out there, both in jail and not, who are far worse off than Chris mentally, who aren’t put in one.


It generally takes quite a bit more than being a lazy, entitled autist who shits his pants to be put in a special facility/group home.

And Chris would of course also fight tooth and nail to prevent any loss of independence, even if it was beneficial for him.

The thing with Chris is, that he’s not unable to live a regular adult life, like some speds and mentallymill people are.

He just chooses not to and so far has never been forced to.

Prison, and a possible loss of SSI might change that. Though fuck... Was it a ten year sentence that would take away his gibs permanently?

I’d hate to be a 50 year old Chris with zero job experience and zero income. He’ll probably bang on the gates of his prison to be let back in.

Oh for sure, I think it would be good for him, but it's another question entirely as to whether he deserves it.
Which he really doesn't, he's a shitty person. And I can't really get behind endorsing him getting more help when people who deserve it far more aren't.

Also like you said, Chris will fight against anything that he thinks will reduce the amount of Legos he can buy, and being in a home where they control your finances is right out of the question in that regard.

 

[GypsyBard]

I had thought Chris would have been fine with having that money in prison to get the perks at the commissary and such, but it sounds like he won't have any money while in there. Prison food it pretty much above starvation rations, so he'll probably end up losing a lot of weight.

Yeah, doing commissions would probably be the only way to do it, however if the other convicts find out Chris can just magically make money appear by begging, there will be more than a few that most likely will try to get Chris to do that.

I think weens and YouTubers will put money on his commissary in order to receive artwork and letters to post. YouTubers will try to get letters in artwork and maybe even visitation in exchange for commissary in order to make easy content that let's be honest you guys will say is absolute crap but will still watch because it will be the only news you get about Chris. Soon though interest in him will dry up and so will the weens and YouTubers. He will have money at first and spend it foolishly. In prison they don't just have food on commissary you can buy things like video game systems or TVs and radios. If we know what prison he sent to we can actually look up what items are available on commissary.
For example my uncle is in prison and he has an Xbox 360 that they charge 5 to 10 times more for than you would get on the outside.

Attached is a picture of a prison TV. They use clear plastic so prisoners can't hide anything. All technology is encased in clear plastic so you could imagine Chris watching this and playing a game system. Unfortunately for him he does not like to work so when the money dries up he will be stuck with whatever technology he currently has.