Chris - The Legal Issues - A Prosecutor's Perspective

[Fapcop]

What's the over/under on Chris having some real bad incriminating material on his hard drive? I'd be really surprised if there were no CSA material he's been sent from trolls that he's been too fucking dumb to remove. Thumbnail cache would be enough to stick him with a charge.

I know this case is serious business for everyone on the Farms, but it’s important to remember that this is just one case out of MANY that the local prosecutor has to deal with.

And one of the less serious ones.

So if you’re expecting them to go all out in terms of digital forensics, online messages, etc. you’ll likely be disappointed.

The prosecution will most likely take a simple, straightforward approach: Is there physical evidence yes/no? What does Barb say? What did Chris say to the detectives? (this is of course likely where he’ll fuck himself.)

If they have a reasonably strong case, they’ll offer a plea deal that reflects that or take it to trial.

If they don’t? They’ll likely offer Chris more of a slap on the wrist and hope he’ll take it, than risk a trial.


What they won’t do with a very high degree of certainty, is to spend significant resources on digital forensics and online bullshit.

(Unless of course Chris gives them a reason. If Chris would say something like: “If this is about the underage videos on my laptop, Magichan downloaded those against my advice!” during interrogations, then yeah, it’d be obvious to see what’s there.)

He famously just read a book about sex and disability, although to be fair it had a lot of pictures in it.

Peak Chris-chan.

Been an “artist” for decades and never once bought or read a book with the goal of improving his skills.

But the minute he sees an opportunity to fuck his 80 year old mother, he of course buys the closest thing to a manual to granny-fucking that’s out there.

 

[Unpleasant]

Many prisons, and some jails these days, have iPads (well, ancient Android tablets actually) available for prisoners for free or to buy.

So Chris might be able to watch movies and play games. And more importantly for our purposes: Send and receive messages and voice/video calls.


If he gets one, I’ll estimate it’ll be a matter of weeks before some weens start to communicate with him and “pass along messages” tweets, etc.

(However, the messages are available to be read by prison staff, so you can’t use them to call out hits or threaten witnesses, etc. How some random Corrections Officer will treat Da Merge babble is of course a big unknown.)


TLDR: Even if Chris does time in the big house, this likely isn’t the last we’ve seen or heard from him.

Those things are extremely locked down. They don't generally have full internet access and messaging is similarly limited- and you often have to pay by the message.

For-profit prisons in general are a largely regional sort of thing, and awful, but the way JPay and similar monopolizes and overcharges for prison inmates to communicate has always rubbed me way more wrongly.

 

[Learned Hand]

Those things are extremely locked down. They don't generally have full internet access and messaging is similarly limited- and you often have to pay by the message.

For-profit prisons in general are a largely regional sort of thing, and awful, but the way JPay and similar monopolizes and overcharges for prison inmates to communicate has always rubbed me way more wrongly.

Chris isn't going to be the type of prisoner who is going to make friends, find a clique, or barter commissary items for favors.

Prison perks, especially in for-profit prisons, are very expensive. The irony of for-profit prisons is that while they're a blight to begin with, if you are wealthy going in and have someone pumping cash onto your commissary account, your quality of life is higher than even federal prisons (which compared to state prisons, are not "bad" -- but this is a subjective term). You have access to electronic perks -- televisions in your cell, some form of limited internet access, messaging, etc. You can buy your own food instead of eating prison slop, and have other quality of life perks like sodas and walkmans. Even if you're a relative reprobate in the prison hierarchy like Chris will no doubt be, you can often bribe and buy your way out of most trouble or avoid it altogether.

Chris without Barb's support is functionally destitute. No one is going to want to do him any favors inside either: most will despise him due to the nature of his offense.

I admit, I'd love to be a fly on the wall watching Chris try to navigate a culture that hasn't coddled and tolerated him like the one he is accustomed to.

I'll relate a short firsthand story: There was a lawyer in my state that was notorious for his involvement with narcotics. After his fourth or fifth DWI/DUI and an aggravating felony, he was finally sentenced to prison.

It was as easy as a vacation, he later related. He was flush with money, and had his commissary loaded. Never touched prison food, always bought it from the prison store. We might not view mac and cheese and frozen pizza as luxuries, but it's better than the default servings. TV in his cell, good toilet paper, radio, even a tablet with the internet. And because he was a lawyer, he bartered out his services to other inmates. From what I gather he sobered up when he get out, but considered it very easy time.

Contrast that with Chris. What money does he have? What could he possibly offer anyone inside beyond irritation?

 

[Fapcop]

Those things are extremely locked down. They don't generally have full internet access and messaging is similarly limited- and you often have to pay by the message.

For-profit prisons in general are a largely regional sort of thing, and awful, but the way JPay and similar monopolizes and overcharges for prison inmates to communicate has always rubbed me way more wrongly.

Yup, pay per minute for calls and messages. And here’s the best part: Want to read a book? Like a free book from Gutenberg? You’ll pay by the minute for those too!


But hey, at least you’ll get a $50 tablet for free!

 

[Pointless Sperg]

I admit, I'd love to be a fly on the wall watching Chris try to navigate a culture that hasn't coddled and tolerated him like the one he is accustomed to.

What is the least heinous crime one could do to get sent to the same unit as Chris? How would one go about improving their chances of this occurring? How many operatives would be needed to ensure that at least one succeeded?

 

[Learned Hand]

What is the least heinous crime one could do to get sent to the same unit as Chris? How would one go about improving their chances of this occurring? How many operatives would be needed to ensure that at least one succeeded?

If he pleads guilty or convicted of rape, I imagine he'd be tanked with DUI types and other felons.

If he somehow does time on class V charges (incest) he could be in with people who wrote bad checks chronically.

//edit I just noticed the last sentence, lol.

 

[Mason Verger]

What is the least heinous crime one could do to get sent to the same unit as Chris? How would one go about improving their chances of this occurring? How many operatives would be needed to ensure that at least one succeeded?

It would be much easier to recruit somebody already inside.

 

[Everything Beagle]

Gifts in what sense? Almost anything other than letters would be unable to reach him, and they are likely to screen letters heavily. All communications will be read, and if he is receiving a large volume, it is likely that they will simply enforce an "approved senders" list, much like how visitors have to be on a preapproved list.

If someone wanted to gift him something, about all he would be able to receive is commissary funds. Donations can be made (if you're retarded) at JailATM.com. there are little kiosks inside of correctional facilities that look like tiny ATMs precisely for that purpose.

Unlike prison, there is likely little available other than toiletries for Chris to purchase. This is not a large facility.

I recently read that jails are cutting back on allowing actual letters, instead scanning the letters and giving the prisons (low-quality) printouts. Kind of a shame, I know people on the inside sometimes like getting pictures of the wife and kids.

 

[AnOminous]

He famously just read a book about sex and disability, although to be fair it had a lot of pictures in it.

Considering its contents, his mere possession of it is suggestive of premeditation. It's also really damning against any already unlikely insanity plea. He was obviously sane enough not only to commit the crime but to plan it in advance and even read a book on how to do it.

I recently read that jails are cutting back on allowing actual letters, instead scanning the letters and giving the prisons (low-quality) printouts. Kind of a shame, I know people on the inside sometimes like getting pictures of the wife and kids.

Blame the people who would smuggle in LSD by dipping the letter paper in it. That's also why books have to come from the publisher or Amazon. People would do things like slip a shiv or other contraband into the spine.

What is the least heinous crime one could do to get sent to the same unit as Chris? How would one go about improving their chances of this occurring? How many operatives would be needed to ensure that at least one succeeded?

He's going to be in a chomo wing. You're gonna have to rape a kid, bro, sorry, I don't make the rules.

What they won’t do with a very high degree of certainty, is to spend significant resources on digital forensics and online bullshit.

It depends on what their case actually is, how strong it is, and what the defense is. If the defense is going to put on a strong showing of some allegedly exonerating evidence that's electronic in nature, they'll have to.

But if they have a very strong physical evidence and testimony case with a full signed confession, they might not even bother with audio recordings that have a tangled chain of custody and have been cut to ribbons by the leakers.

I seriously doubt, though, that they won't at least seize all of Chris's electronics and if they turn his computer on and there's a shitload of suspicious stuff on the desktop, they'll keep on digging. I think at the absolute least, they'll be looking for chat logs where he may have admitted the crime to others. Stuff they seize directly from his computer obviously has a good chain of custody and they can use it.

I don't think the prosecutor will want a bunch of lurid Internet distractions.

The defense definitely will, though. Anything that can distract from the defendant is good for them.

 

[Fapcop]

Chris isn't going to be the type of prisoner who is going to make friends, find a clique, or barter commissary items for favors.

Prison perks, especially in for-profit prisons, are very expensive. The irony of for-profit prisons is that while they're a blight to begin with, if you are wealthy going in and have someone pumping cash onto your commissary account, your quality of life is higher than even federal prisons (which compared to state prisons, are not "bad" -- but this is a subjective term). You have access to electronic perks -- televisions in your cell, some form of limited internet access, messaging, etc. You can buy your own food instead of eating prison slop, and have other quality of life perks like sodas and walkmans. Even if you're a relative reprobate in the prison hierarchy like Chris will no doubt be, you can often bribe and buy your way out of most trouble or avoid it altogether.

Chris without Barb's support is functionally destitute. No one is going to want to do him any favors inside either: most will despise him due to the nature of his offense.

I admit, I'd love to be a fly on the wall watching Chris try to navigate a culture that hasn't coddled and tolerated him like the one he is accustomed to.

I'll relate a short firsthand story: There was a lawyer in my state that was notorious for his involvement with narcotics. After his fourth or fifth DWI/DUI and an aggravating felony, he was finally sentenced to prison.

It was as easy as a vacation, he later related. He was flush with money, and had his commissary loaded. Never touched prison food, always bought it from the prison store. We might not view mac and cheese and frozen pizza as luxuries, but it's better than the default servings. TV in his cell, good toilet paper, radio, even a tablet with the internet. And because he was a lawyer, he bartered out his services to other inmates. From what I gather he sobered up when he get out, but considered it very easy time.

Contrast that with Chris. What money does he have? What could he possibly offer anyone inside beyond irritation?

There is actually a pretty important issue that I’m not sure have been mentioned or not.

Chris will lose his tugboat in jail.

Not permanently, but SSDI gets suspended as long as someone is in jail.

I wonder if anyone has explained this to Chris and whether he can comprehend the concept of his tugboat, his one surety in life not coming in, at all.


On the bright side (for Chris!) some weens are sure to make contact, and Chris will for once be forced to work for a living. (Drawings, etc.)

 

[Unpleasant]

I recently read that jails are cutting back on allowing actual letters, instead scanning the letters and giving the prisons (low-quality) printouts. Kind of a shame, I know people on the inside sometimes like getting pictures of the wife and kids.

Yep, it's not that rare to soak letters in drugs- particularly K2. You send an inmate a "loaded" letter, and you've snuck them drugs. Not as hard as plenty of other stuff, but I've seen people do some weird stuff on K2. You can also buy the paper "pre-infused".

 

[AnOminous]

There is actually a pretty important issue that I’m not sure have been mentioned or not.

Chris will lose his tugboat in jail.

Not permanently, but SSDI gets suspended as long as someone is in jail.

Chris is on SSI (unless he is getting both but he may not qualify). Same rules apply, though. Less than 30 days, it continues uninterrupted. More than 30 days (and considering the next hearing is September 19 that is going to happen) it gets suspended, but resumes upon release. More than 12 months, and it gets canceled entirely and he has to reapply upon release.

 

[Level 43]

More than 30 days (and considering the next hearing is September 19 that is going to happen) it gets suspended

The tugboat may come into port a few more times. It looks like you have to be convicted and then be confined for more than 30 days, as per:

SSA - POMS: GN 02607.160 - Title II Prisoner Suspension Provisions

Title II Prisoner Suspension Provisions

secure.ssa.gov

There are also suspensions of payment for those who are found NGRI, incompetent to stand trial, or who are deemed to be Sexually Dangerous Persons in states where that's a thing:

SSA - POMS: GN 02607.001 - Provisions for Confinements Beginning 04/01/2000 and Continuing

Provisions for Confinements Beginning 04/01/2000 and Continuing

secure.ssa.gov

 

[Fapcop]

Chris is on SSI (unless he is getting both but he may not qualify). Same rules apply, though. Less than 30 days, it continues uninterrupted. More than 30 days (and considering the next hearing is September 19 that is going to happen) it gets suspended, but resumes upon release. More than 12 months, and it gets canceled entirely and he has to reapply upon release.

I really can’t imagine Chris being capable of re-applying for SSI on his own.

Especially considering his (granted, ancient) comments about how he got the SSI, which according to Chris sounded like a Herculean effort involving friends in high places and all of Bob’s influence as kind of a big deal.


Oh well, I’m sure that there’ll be a social worker or someone similar available on or after release who can help him.


Another issue is whether Chris would be able to get it?


I would think, though I’m not sure, that they’ve tightened up on gibs since 20 years ago. (Would a Doctor today approve Chris for SSI?)

Another issue is of course that Bob is dead (though I’m not sure how that would affect possible SSI) and that documentation is needed.

Documention that will likely be thrown out when the Bank comes for the house.

I could easily see this resulting in either a drawn out years long process, or Chris not getting it at all.


And Chris without his tugboat is as fucked as Chris can ever be. He has never worked for a living, and through all the years, his little tugboat has been one constant and safety blanket.

I could easily see him completely lose his fucking sanity (or what remains of it) faced with this prospect.

Losing his tugboat might fuck Chris mentally worse than any prison sentence.

 

[Learned Hand]

Foolish me, I thought some weens bought Chris a literal tugboat as a nest egg.

Where did the tugboat reference referring to his SSI benefits come from?

 

[Fapcop]

Foolish me, I thought some weens bought Chris a literal tugboat as a nest egg.

Where did the tugboat reference referring to his SSI benefits come from?

That would be fucking awesome of they did!

The Tugboat is an ancient Chris reference (supposedly from his father, though the logic is very Chris-like.)

You know the expression “your boat came in” or something along those lines? A boomer expression for sudden success?


Well, unlike a big cruiseliner, Chris’s financial ship is a lot smaller but solid and reliable. Like a tugboat.

(Unless of course you fuck your 80 year old mother and go to jail for more than 12 months!)

Hence: SSI=tugboat

 

[Mason Verger]

Foolish me, I thought some weens bought Chris a literal tugboat as a nest egg.

Where did the tugboat reference referring to his SSI benefits come from?

Sounds like a way Bob used it to help Chris visualize the concept of SSDI. The idea was the “tugboat” was there to give you a little push when you need it, because when Bob put him on it I think he still held out hope that Chris would be employable at some point.

 

[Tennis-Ball-Tony]

There is actually a pretty important issue that I’m not sure have been mentioned or not.

Chris will lose his tugboat in jail.

Not permanently, but SSDI gets suspended as long as someone is in jail.

I wonder if anyone has explained this to Chris and whether he can comprehend the concept of his tugboat, his one surety in life not coming in, at all.


On the bright side (for Chris!) some weens are sure to make contact, and Chris will for once be forced to work for a living. (Drawings, etc.)

I had thought Chris would have been fine with having that money in prison to get the perks at the commissary and such, but it sounds like he won't have any money while in there. Prison food it pretty much above starvation rations, so he'll probably end up losing a lot of weight.

Yeah, doing commissions would probably be the only way to do it, however if the other convicts find out Chris can just magically make money appear by begging, there will be more than a few that most likely will try to get Chris to do that.

 

[Mason Verger]

I had thought Chris would have been fine with having that money in prison to get the perks at the commissary and such, but it sounds like he won't have any money while in there. Prison food it pretty much above starvation rations, so he'll probably end up losing a lot of weight.

Yeah, doing commissions would probably be the only way to do it, however if the other convicts find out Chris can just magically make money appear by begging, there will be more than a few that most likely will try to get Chris to do that.

Some autistic faggot always shares their tugboat with Chris. Just to spite the weens. The upside is by making Chris “prison rich”, you’re only gonna get him jumped. So we win either way.

 

[Mek Quake]

I was wondering about this in another thread - Cole is now Barb's next of kin now, if Chris has a no contact order, right? For all everyone was sperging about his reactions, hes the one that social services and legal would have to reach out to as -from what we know, although he has gone no contact with her there hasn't been any legal disconnect with them - they would go to him to figure out if the house has to be sold to pay for care and maybe whose care Chris can be discharged into? And this wouldn't just be a Va thing - I believe Cole is in NYC?