US Biden Says Communism Is a ‘Failed System’ and Cuba a ‘Failed State’ - “Communism is a failed system—a universally failed system. And I don’t see socialism as a very useful substitute, but that’s another story,” "Cuba is a failed state"

The authoritarian and communist regime of Cuba is a “failed state” and universally, communism is a “failed system,” President Joe Biden said while speaking from the White House on Thursday.

“Communism is a failed system—a universally failed system. And I don’t see socialism as a very useful substitute, but that’s another story,” Biden said during a joint press conference with German Chancellor Angela Merkel.

Biden’s remarks were the strongest signal yet by the president in support of Cubans demonstrating against the ruling regime of leader Miguel Diaz-Canel—also the head of the Cuban Communist Party.

He also addressed that his administration is “considering” ways to possibly reinstate access to the internet for people on the island nation after the regime disrupted citizens from their online communications in the wake of the biggest anti-government protests in decades.

“We’re considering whether we have the technological ability to reinstate that access,” Biden said.

The president also indicated that for now, they are not considering re-establishing the U.S. to Cuba remittances because it’s “highly likely” that the regime would confiscate the funds.

“There are a number of things that we would consider doing to help the people of Cuba, but it would require a different circumstance or a guarantee that they would not be taken advantage of by the [Cuban regime],” Biden said. “For example, the ability to send remittances back to Cuba. I would not do that now because the fact is it’s highly likely that the regime would confiscate those remittances or big chunks of it.”

Starting over the past weekend, thousands of Cubans have openly demonstrated against the authoritarian regime and called for leader Diaz-Canel to step down. Some demonstrators, as well as Cubans in the United States, have called on the Biden administration to intervene amid mass arrests of demonstrators by the regime.

Biden’s remarks that they “consider” to aid Cubans came as Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R-Fla.) asked the president in a letter to provide federal assistance to the citizens of the island nation as well as help them with internet access.

“I write to urge you to assist in providing Internet access to the people of Cuba standing up against communist oppression and demanding a voice after decades of suffering under the yoke of a cruel dictatorship,” the Republican governor wrote in the letter (pdf).

“As you know, the Cuban people are taking to the streets to protest the Communist regime, and the Cuban government has responded with violence,” he said. “At first, the world could see the images and videos of this mass movement, but now the tyrannical regime of President Miguel Diaz-Canel has shut off access to the internet.”

White House press secretary Jen Psaki on Thursday during a separate press briefing also called communism a “failed ideology,” explaining that Cubans “deserve freedom.”

“They deserve a government that supports them, whether that is making sure they have health and medical supplies, access to vaccines, or whether they have economic opportunity and prosperity,” Psaki said.

“This has been a government—an authoritarian, communist regime—that has repressed its people and has failed the people of Cuba, hence we’re seeing them in the streets,” she continued.

Amid the demonstrations, activists told news outlets this week that more than 100 people have been arrested, detained, or are simply missing in a regime-led clampdown.

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If that’s your definition of communism then it means that it repeatedly gets killed in the cradle and I’d argue it will never exist. The reason being that such a thing can never be done on a national level let alone a global one. Any attempts to make people equal will rely on a centralized state, one that strips people of most of its freedoms, and will be necessity force itself to spy and police its people significantly. Furthermore if you were to ask people from such a time if they were communists, even though they didn’t reach the ideal, they’d claim to be communists. They were striving to reach the ideal and in the process killed millions.

IMO communes could work on a small scale in a high trust family group, especially when survival is on the line. Essentially when everyone’s life is at stake and cooperation is required, people can do it. It’d be hard work and most modern people are too soft for it.
I can claim to be a god, but that does not make me one. Pretending doesn't undo a bunch of people being put under a jackboot because you cannot make a commune out of tens or hundreds of millions of those same people. When this fact of life hits the people in charge (who are not equal members of this commune by the way, so there is that step 1 that I mentioned earlier out the window) they build walls to keep people in and make secret police to keep people oppressed which are wild jumps away from the core goal and you agree with that.

Too many people have responded to me so far under the impression that I have said "yes communism can work" somewhere even though I explicitly said the exact opposite in my first post. It isn't that it is killed in the crib, communism as a national system is a non-starter. It's stillborn. Even so I got the responses anyway (I will probably get more too) and I think that proves my original "words have meaning, know them and use them correctly" point all over again.
 
The thing that gets me about the Not-Really-Communism folks is that they think the "hasn't really been tried" excuse makes a stronger case for trying at this point.

People have been trying to implement it for over a century, to absolutely no success. If you build a building, and it falls over, maybe it was shoddy workmanship. If you keep trying to put up that building, but every time, no matter who is doing the construction, and no matter where they're building it, it falls over? The problem is not with the workers, there's something wrong in the blueprints.

Everywhere communism has been practiced, it has led to failure of that state only after prolonged abuse of the citizenry.

It's been tried across dozens of countries and dozens of ethnicities, but, it never once has worked and it always ends the same: Fed up people revolting against it.

This suggests that the issue is not one of people just not trying their hardest to make it work, but the end result being impossible due to human nature - you might as well have started building houses under water and telling people who objected that it could have somehow worked if you'd just held your breath a little harder....


Fuck it, unless you're younger than 10, it should be obvious: Communism is such a colossal failure in both theory and practice that any support for it can be dismissed outright.

It's a system that is indefensible.




Wrote this a while back in another thread, going to copypaste it now, because I get the urge to anytime anyone scolds us for celebrating the fall of another communist state with "But, it wasn't really given a chance and they had some free stuff"

Consider E. Germany post WWII vs. the GDR.

That's the closest thing to a laboratory refutation of communism you'll ever see.

Take one nation, bomb everything in it to bits, kill of large portions of it's population, throw it all into economic and political disarray, and then divide it right down the middle. The only difference is one side tries capitalist democracy to recover, the other communist socialism.... each side gets a wealthy superpower patron of their political system to pump in money and aid (USA/USSR), a huge market of similarly-aligned nations to sell their goods to/trade with (EU/Eastern Bloc) plenty of land and natural resources to exploit and the separation is enforced with the full backing of a nuclear arsenal to make sure they won't "cheat" and just invade the other side over accusations of unfairness. (NATO/Warsaw Pact).

Lather, rinse and let bake for 50 years....

Ta-fuckin'- dah:

To the surprise of no one with a brain, life in the Ost was worse by EVERY measurable metric,

The people there lived shorter less healthy lives with fewer luxuries, less pay, fewer vacation days, longer work hours, inferior consumer goods, worse pollution, worse healthcare, worse everything and that was all on top of a crushing culture of overbearing spying and suppression of personal expression.

Communism made a poor country out of a bunch of Germans.

Behold: A nation that invented the freeway, gave us Porsche, Mercedes, and Audi.... yet under communism, the Easterners could only build the Trabant: a car that ran off a 2-cycle lawnmower engine and whose body was made of compressed T-shirt scraps and could be eaten by livestock if they got hungry enough... Meanwhile, the West got VW back off the mat in under 10 years, with the VW Beetle becoming the best-selling car of all human history....... second only to maybe the Model T in terms of significance to human industry and the motor age.... while BMW became successful enough to keep every valet and busboy in Stuttgart employed for LIFE.




Not only can you not centrally plan economies, but people don't like living stacked in concrete prole-pods, even if the state controls the rents while being stripped of freedom of expression or even the freedom of just being able to make more than the next guy with personal diligence.... communism not only fails to create wealth, it fails to respect basic human desires and rights.

I saw the Iron Curtain rust away with my own eyes as a kid, and as soon as it did, the people behind it didn't cower like frighten animals, didn't stone their supposed capitalist aggressors, they sprinted to the Kurfürstendamm and lined up for Big Macs and Nikes because they WANTED them and finally had a chance to buy them, as many as they wanted, no questions asked or papers demanded.....

Because at the end of the day, people would rather wear blue jeans over combat fatigues and the loudest propaganda speaker you can imagine is less likely to promote any positive behavior out of the citizenry than a simple Sony Walkman loaded with an M.C. Hammer cassette does for it's owner simply by existing as "their" property.

No communist country whose people were ever given a fair plebiscite to decide if they'll keep communism or reject it has EVER chosen to keep it, not once, in all of human history. Sure, they may be naive enough to vote in it's creation, but nobody who ever had to live under it and experience it first hand as one of those equal-at-last proletariat class has ever wanted it to continue.

COMMUNISM

DOES

NOT

WORK
Its funny how a comic relief nobleman in a Monty Python bit could get his swamp castle to stay up after four attempts but Communism?
Not Even Once. I guess reality's not their idiom or something...
 
Sounds based as fuck from the outside but remember what they did to Russia. And that was to a huge state and huge bureaucracy with its own momentum. Imagine what they'll do to this small island right off the coast of the US. How long until it collapses into a narco-state due to its location and having a power vacuum?
I personally think Cuba is fully capable of transitioning into a functioning liberal democracy.

Despite the socialistic policies retarding their progress, they have successfully invested in their human capital and created a peaceful society. They have the ingredients for prosperity.
 
I hate to do this but you keep using "communist" wrong even after acknowledging there is a difference between socialism and communism which annoyed me enough to make this post. No, communism has never been practiced on a national level. That is an objective fact. It has not been practiced long enough for "prolonged abuse of the citizenry" and people have not been fed up and revolted against it. That has not happened.

Communism has only been practiced by red speds and every communist blob of people has had its shit pushed in by other leftists (socialists) who are not keen on giving up a sliver of power to some fags in berets. Every attempt at a communist government has been small, predictably unorganized, full of tit-hangers, and then it dies because "tankies" do not care. Otherwise it springs up in a safe, democratic and capitalist country where it exists for awhile before inevitably imploding on itself. No revolt, no "widespread abuse" of any sort, nothing like that at all because everyone is hungry and then they go home leaving like a handful of true believers behind who inevitably blame capitalism because nobody would have left if they didn't have a warm house and hot food to flee toward. That right there is real communism and that is why it never works.
Real National Socialism hasn’t been tried either
 
I personally think Cuba is fully capable of transitioning into a functioning liberal democracy.

Despite the socialistic policies retarding their progress, they have successfully invested in their human capital and created a peaceful society. They have the ingredients for prosperity.
Then, 50 years later, people will be saying Communism provided those ingredients.
 
Communism, or rather the attempt to reach Communism, has been repeatedly tried by large governments, and has repeatedly failed. Just because the reds always failed to reach their utopian paradise on earth and failed doesn't mean there haven't been attempts.
"True communism has never been tried because the dictionary definition and idealized utopian version of it has never been achieved" is a retard-tier take and why people keep thinking it's still a viable system.

It's actively harmful to humanity to suggest communism hasn't been tried, and failed. Just saying. Autism over definitions aside.
If that’s your definition of communism then it means that it repeatedly gets killed in the cradle and I’d argue it will never exist.

It is completely fair to clarify that states like Cuba, the USSR, Khmer Rouge and DPRK are attempts at communism that practiced socialism.

Oddly enough, that doesn't stop communists from taking credit for the achievements of those regimes, while also denouncing them as not communists whenever convenient...

...especially if you factor in the people that also reject that those regimes were socialism because they weren't the "workers owning the means of production".
 
It is completely fair to clarify that states like Cuba, the USSR, Khmer Rouge and DPRK are attempts at communism that practiced socialism.

Oddly enough, that doesn't stop communists from taking credit for the achievements of those regimes, while also denouncing them as not communists whenever convenient...

...especially if you factor in the people that also reject that those regimes were socialism because they weren't the "workers owning the means of production".
Sure but the bugbear here is that they act that, because the ideal wasn't achieved that it means it wasn't an attempt at communism as a means of legitimizing further attempts at establishing it, and ignore that you can't attempt communism without it falling apart into what the USSR, CCP, et al turned into.

So basically, communism was tried and failed, falling into socialism. Rather than communism has never been tried.
 
Are Republicans and Democrats going to jizz over this together and invade/start another war? Troops pulled out of Afghanistan and Lockheed-Martin need to keep up weapons sales. I sense a Florida election strategy.
 
Are Republicans and Democrats going to jizz over this together and invade/start another war? Troops pulled out of Afghanistan and Lockheed-Martin need to keep up weapons sales. I sense a Florida election strategy.
I doubt it. For one, it'd mean accepting Biden as a war-time president, ensuring his administration's incumbency. Two, there is no casus belli or political capital available to focus on foreign affairs. Three, Republicans wouldn't be able to import those Cubans because the Left does not want them; they expose the Leftist grift. As the RINOs are finding out, Democrat deals don't mean anything.
 
So basically, communism was tried and failed, falling into socialism. Rather than communism has never been tried.
"I wanted to be a doctor, but I didn't have a lot of money so I knocked a hobo out one day and I haven't stopped stealing kidneys ever since!"

I do not call that man a doctor not matter how much he insists I call him one. You can demand I do the same because he intended to do it, but he didn't even try. Since he didn't try he doesn't even get a gold star for effort and I'm not agreeing to a damn thing you or anyone else has to say about it, the man is a kidney thief and a liar. Obviously this is a little different than that example, but not one of you have proven that communism has been attempted on a national scale. Every time it's something about "well they intended to do it!" Yeah woulda coulda shoulda, I am not buying it. It has always, every single time, been authoritarian socialism run by a small pack of sociopaths and they can insist that they tried and failed but I am calling bullshit because you cannot make a commune out of millions of people. Ever.
 
Condescending shit x 10

The reason nobody is listening to you is cause you're a condescending fuckwit nigger-faggot cuck.

Being pedantic about the whole concept of socialism vs. communism and acting like the aren't just steps along the same process of lining the pockets at the top is bog standard shit for you types and we've seen it a dozen times here so don't expect your dumb commie-fag talking points to work.
 
The reason nobody is listening to you is cause you're a condescending fuckwit nigger-faggot cuck.

Being pedantic about the whole concept of socialism vs. communism and acting like the aren't just steps along the same process of lining the pockets at the top is bog standard shit for you types and we've seen it a dozen times here so don't expect your dumb commie-fag talking points to work.
"Communism will never work" I said, "You can't make a communist nation" I said again and you call that a "commie-fag talking point" anyway. I am right all over again and this is why I made my first post because people like you keep babbling in ebonics as you run on the euphemism treadmill and get mad when someone like me tells you to get off. I don't think I am being condescending, but so what if I am? Do you deserve anything better than that?
 
"Communism will never work" I said, "You can't make a communist nation" I said again and you call that a "commie-fag talking point" anyway. I am right all over again and this is why I made my first post because people like you keep babbling in ebonics as you run on the euphemism treadmill and get mad when someone like me tells you to get off. I don't think I am being condescending, but so what if I am? Do you deserve anything better than that?

So you are just a huge faggot it appears? Projection is your best friend isn't it? Cause I could watch films all day with what you're spitting.

If you expect people not to call you out on your bullshit in this forum you got another thing coming. This isn't Reddit your blueanon shit don't work here you dumb fuckin nigger.

And you're going to get no respect being the condescending twat you are.
 
"Communism will never work" I said, "You can't make a communist nation" I said again and you call that a "commie-fag talking point" anyway. I am right all over again and this is why I made my first post because people like you keep babbling in ebonics as you run on the euphemism treadmill and get mad when someone like me tells you to get off. I don't think I am being condescending, but so what if I am? Do you deserve anything better than that?
You're retarded. Nobody gives a shit about communism. Nobody. All your average person wants, all black people want, all those college students who say they want communism want, all the Trump voters want, all the neo-liberals want is access to hamburgers and pussy. In the USSR, China, etc. communism was just used as a way to promise plebs hamburgers and pussy to turn them against government. Every war is about access to more hamburgers and pussy. Climate protests are about kids being worried boomers will use all the resources and they won't get hamburgers and pussy. Riots are about a lack of hamburgers and pussy. Joining gangs is about easy access to hamburgers and pussy. Everyone has easy access to hamburgers and pussy and your society is stable. That's why the USA where monogamy is normalized and hamburger costs the same as a half hour work at minimum wage is the richest country in human history. The Chinese government is able to hang onto power because it trades with the US and gives everyone living there hamburgers and pussy. It's really very simple. Hamburgers and pussy. That's literally all people want.

Nobody gives a shit about utopian ideals past age 25. Fuck off with your technicalities. You think Jed working down at the body shop cares about the technical difference between communism and socialism? Fuck no! He cares about hamburgers and pussy.

You know what system has given the most people access hamburgers and pussy? Liberal democracy.

Because I know you're retarded I will say here hamburgers and pussy refer to luxuries and the ability to procreate and raise your resulting children a stable environment, not literally hamburgers and pussy.
 
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"I wanted to be a doctor, but I didn't have a lot of money so I knocked a hobo out one day and I haven't stopped stealing kidneys ever since!"

I do not call that man a doctor not matter how much he insists I call him one. You can demand I do the same because he intended to do it, but he didn't even try. Since he didn't try he doesn't even get a gold star for effort and I'm not agreeing to a damn thing you or anyone else has to say about it, the man is a kidney thief and a liar. Obviously this is a little different than that example, but not one of you have proven that communism has been attempted on a national scale. Every time it's something about "well they intended to do it!" Yeah woulda coulda shoulda, I am not buying it. It has always, every single time, been authoritarian socialism run by a small pack of sociopaths and they can insist that they tried and failed but I am calling bullshit because you cannot make a commune out of millions of people. Ever.
Go take your pseudo intellect back to Reddit.
 
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