Military Kiwis

[Null]

Nobody forces you to sign up so you only have yourself to blame for it. I won't be re signing

That's not entirely true. They go into schools and promise the hopeless youth good jerbs and free school. Then they fuck their heads up to make them obedient murder machines. I'm afraid this girl won't be the same when I meet her now.

And it's also not true that they can't force you to join. They erroneously sent documents to my mom saying I had to apply to SSS or they would arrest me, and I had already fucking registered that year for the draft.

 

[KatsuKitty]

That's not entirely true. They go into schools and promise the hopeless youth good jerbs and free school. Then they fuck their heads up to make them obedient murder machines. I'm afraid this girl won't be the same when I meet her now.

And it's also not true that they can't force you to join. They erroneously sent documents to my mom saying I had to apply to SSS or they would arrest me, and I had already fucking registered that year for the draft.

Nobody's been arrested for not registering in 30 years.

 

[Null]

Nobody's been arrested for not registering in 30 years.

It's still on the books. If America decided it had to fight China or Russia they would bleed every wayward young male into their ranks in an instant.

 

[Lacquer Head]

That's not entirely true. They go into schools and promise the hopeless youth good jerbs and free school. Then they fuck their heads up to make them obedient murder machines. I'm afraid this girl won't be the same when I meet her now.

And it's also not true that they can't force you to join. They erroneously sent documents to my mom saying I had to apply to SSS or they would arrest me, and I had already fucking registered that year for the draft.

obedient murder machines? Lol maybe the marines but you can blame recruiters for promising stuff. They are pretty much car salesmen

 

[Ravana]

That's not entirely true. They go into schools and promise the hopeless youth good jerbs and free school. Then they fuck their heads up to make them obedient murder machines. I'm afraid this girl won't be the same when I meet her now.

I've been on a carrier for six years. You know how much combat I've seen? None and I've been in the Arabian Gulf three times. Your friend is a nuke which makes her way too expensive to have her do anything besides what she was trained to do. You know what she's going to do on a carrier? Stand watch. She's going to be watching gages, she's going to be roving a nuclear reactor space with a device that tracks the amount of radiation she's exposed to (which is very very little), and she's possibly going to be sitting in an air conditioned space for either 4 or 6 hours. She will do maintenance on said equipment. At no point is she going to handle a firearm. The only time she'll see one is passing by security. She's not going to become some autonomous killing robot.

 

[Null]

I've been on a carrier for six years. You know how much combat I've seen? None. Your friend is a nuke which makes her way too expensive to have her do anything besides what she was trained to do. You know what she's going to do on a carrier? Stand watch. She's going to be watching gages, she's going to be roving a nuclear reactor with a device that tracks the amount of radiation she's exposed to (which is very very little), and she's possibly going to be sitting in an air conditioned space for either 4 or 6 hours. She will do maintenance on said equipment. At no point is she going to handle a firearm. The only time she'll see one is passing by security. She's not going to become some autonomous killing robot.

So far she's being trained on a Destroyer class ship and says that all they've made her do is hard manual labor. She describes the engine room as being so hot, the pipes emit heat like when you open an oven. This sounds like a far cry from making sure the needle doesn't tilt into "imminent explosion". She's been so fucked up by how bad the academy has treated her and how she had no help from any of the teachers or officers over the last 2 years. How much more of this shit can a 21 year old girl take before she becomes some sort of fucking mental case that the government wont pay to fix?

 

[AnOminous]

Nobody's been arrested for not registering in 30 years.

Perhaps not, but there are still effects like not being able to file a FAFSA (federal student aid), ineligibility for certain jobs, and other collateral consequences.

 

[Lacquer Head]

So far she's being trained on a Destroyer class ship and says that all they've made her do is hard manual labor. She describes the engine room as being so hot, the pipes emit heat like when you open an oven. This sounds like a far cry from making sure the needle doesn't tilt into "imminent explosion". She's been so fucked up by how bad the academy has treated her and how she had no help from any of the teachers or officers over the last 2 years. How much more of this shit can a 21 year old girl take before she becomes some sort of fucking mental case that the government wont pay to fix?

lol you sound like a white knight right now. Seriously everyone does hard manual labour in the military even fucking cooks and paper pushers. She sounds like the average over exaggerating private

 

[Ravana]

So far she's being trained on a Destroyer class ship and says that all they've made her do is hard manual labor. She describes the engine room as being so hot, the pipes emit heat like when you open an oven. This sounds like a far cry from making sure the needle doesn't tilt into "imminent explosion". She's been so fucked up by how bad the academy has treated her and how she had no help from any of the teachers or officers over the last 2 years. How much more of this shit can a 21 year old girl take before she becomes some sort of fucking mental case that the government wont pay to fix?

"Hard manual labor" is part of the job. Who's going to do the work if not the Sailors? Not only that but she's starting out at the bottom of the totem pole. It sucks that it's hot and that it's hard but it helps you learn, it helps you know the system and become the expert at it and when you climb the ranks that experience will help you on exams and becoming a leader. I'm sorry to hear that she's had a hard time with leadership but we're trained nearly every two to three months about equal opportunity and if she's having issues there are equal opportunity advocates at every command. Also advise her not to seek out officer help. Most of them are dumb kids. The best help she can get will be from the senior enlisted. The first classes and chiefs. They can be your greatest ally. Sometimes they seem like assholes but they should always be going to bat for their Sailors.

 

[AN/ALR56]

A girl I've been interested in for years is currently in the process being assigned a carrier after graduating Nuclear Engineering. She is now fully certified and has graduated the 4 year engineering course in under 2 years. I'm really proud of her. But, after hearing her stories, there is not a fucking chance in hell I would ever join the United States armed forces. They put you through an insurmountable trial of bullshit to see how willing you are to put up with being screamed at and I'd tell them to fuck off and be kicked out on the first day. I'd be the first to desert during a draft, but I'd probably not even pass psych evals.

It just blows my mind how awfully they treat her. The shit they make her do. The rooms and people they put her with. The fact they make her do manual labor 7 days in a row for 10 hours a day followed by 1 day off after she just graduated the most intensive educational course in the entire world. And then they're going to put her on a boat where her chances of being raped are more significant than any other place in the world. Fuck that. Fuck all that noise. I've hated the military and its culture my entire life. I grew up near a base and never understood all the masturbation around the people with guns in camo. Not even your government gives a fuck about the service members, just look at out after-service mental health care if you want evidence of that.

I had the opposite experience,after hearing the tales of camaraderie and heroism from my grandfather who served in the merchant marine during ww2 and had his ship torpedoed,the emotional tale of the our expeditionary in italy.
Also the brazilian army seems much less horrible than the US army,the guy who served never had to do any shit like cleaning toilets because he was smart and never fucked up things,he also had only positive things to say and he is a hard line communist.
Also since there are people who live with less than 5$/day here,the army is the only chance for employment,and to travel to other regions/countries,also you can receive training in things like technical education and mechanical training.
Personally,I want to join just to prove myself that I can do it,and to help me prepare for the future.
Also I need a hard routine to function.

 

[DNJACK]

Personally,I want to join just to prove myself

It's generally a fucking good advice to avoid people with something to prove. You'll never be your grandfather.

 

[AnchuentProphecy]

I was in the US Navy for a short time. I remember when I was in bootcamp we had this one guy in our division who was very obviously autistic. He would piss his bed often and was a complete fuck up. He somehow manage to graduate bootcamp and continue on to fucking nuke school where the Navy finally got sick of his shit and booted his ass

 

[AN/ALR56]

It's generally a fucking good advice to avoid people with something to prove. You'll never be your grandfather.

Err..
I just want to try and break my limits,and a probably subconscious wish to try and be the best in things.
Also i kinda want to make my grandfather proud of me,despite him passing away years ago

 

[dickwad]

Oh this sort of thread! So little back story, I'm from Scandinavia so things and military slang may not fit 1:1.

So I've been in the army for 3 years now. First 6 months were basic conscription with fellow countrymen. The guys who enroll wary from Chris to normal people. You know that when you are forced by law to enroll you get very interesting people. One was a short, fat, Turkish guy who had problems with authority. Wanted to be a "elite soldier" but in the end couldn't take the heat. After that I applied for L.R.R.P. Unit with some entrance examination. Did a years worth of training and got a silly beret for it. Later I worked on a small unit until I went to college. Right now my studies as a HVAC-engineer are in the end but I think I will go back to the army.

Call me stupid but I love the army. I enjoy the leadership-role that I had, I enjoy doing things with my buddies while it was drinking or training.

So few stories back from the LRRP days:
Doubting-thomas: There was this guy called thomas who really didn't want to do hard things and always took the path of least resistant. Piled his duties to others and was lazy ass hell. It was mid fall when the days were short and temperature was close to freezing. The unit was out in the woods on a typical recon-training mission. After the first day we arrived to a water crossing point. We had to cross a little river about 2 meters wide. We didn't know how wide the river was or were the place any good to cross it over so PL sent the pointmen (thomas and other guy) to scout the water crossing. At the river there is a good curve that provides security from eyes and is otherwise good place to swim other side. Thomas gets douptful about water temperature and says to the other guy:
>This is not a good place to go trough
<What do you mean? This is perfect
>That like 10 meters man, we can't do it
<More like 2 meters

So they return to the PL and give the report. Other guy gives the thumbs up but thomas goes all apeshit and whines something like:" we can't do it. Its like 50 meters. We have way to much stuff to carry" etc and wants to take the long route. At the river crossing PL gives a
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)-face and a comment "50 meters, right?". Some bergens were thrown over the "river". After a while thomas gets kicked out because he didn't survive the midway cut.

Gun expert-george
A chill guy who knew shit tons about guns. So after a one training mission we had to clean the guns as usually. Company standards were little silly about rifle cleanliness so we had to wipe every moving part ridicules clean that when wiped with Q-tip there would not be any gray/dark spots on it. So the CO did everything to find shit on the gun so they jammed the Q-tip every freaking spot that they found. So george had a brilliant idea. The took a bottle of acetone and a toothbursh and washed the whole gun. He then wiped the whole gun with little of oil to prevent rusting. The CO was so impressed the he tried on his rifle. He forgot to wipe his rifle with oil, after the acetone bath so over night his rifle was full of rust.

Thats about it. There are a lot of stories to be told but I don't think they are so interesting as these two.

 

[Holdek]

So few stories back from the LRRP days:
Doubting-thomas: There was this guy called thomas who really didn't want to do hard things and always took the path of least resistant. Piled his duties to others and was lazy ass hell. It was mid fall when the days were short and temperature was close to freezing. The unit was out in the woods on a typical recon-training mission. After the first day we arrived to a water crossing point. We had to cross a little river about 2 meters wide. We didn't know how wide the river was or were the place any good to cross it over so PL sent the pointmen (thomas and other guy) to scout the water crossing. At the river there is a good curve that provides security from eyes and is otherwise good place to swim other side. Thomas gets douptful about water temperature and says to the other guy:
>This is not a good place to go trough
<What do you mean? This is perfect
>That like 10 meters man, we can't do it
<More like 2 meters

So they return to the PL and give the report. Other guy gives the thumbs up but thomas goes all apeshit and whines something like:" we can't do it. Its like 50 meters. We have way to much stuff to carry" etc and wants to take the long route. At the river crossing PL gives a
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)-face and a comment "50 meters, right?". Some bergens were thrown over the "river". After a while thomas gets kicked out because he didn't survive the midway cut.

Gun expert-george
A chill guy who knew shit tons about guns. So after a one training mission we had to clean the guns as usually. Company standards were little silly about rifle cleanliness so we had to wipe every moving part ridicules clean that when wiped with Q-tip there would not be any gray/dark spots on it. So the CO did everything to find shit on the gun so they jammed the Q-tip every freaking spot that they found. So george had a brilliant idea. The took a bottle of acetone and a toothbursh and washed the whole gun. He then wiped the whole gun with little of oil to prevent rusting. The CO was so impressed the he tried on his rifle. He forgot to wipe his rifle with oil, after the acetone bath so over night his rifle was full of rust.

Thats about it. There are a lot of stories to be told but I don't think they are so interesting as these two.

Thomas sounds like a huge pussy and George sounds like a dumbass. I hope your country doesn't get in a war man.

 

[AN/ALR56]

Thomas sounds like a huge pussy and George sounds like a dumbass. I hope your country doesn't get in a war man.

Sweden would be nuked by NATO and russia anyway.

 

[Zim]

Err..
I just want to try and break my limits,and a probably subconscious wish to try and be the best in things.
Also i kinda want to make my grandfather proud of me,despite him passing away years ago

I say go for it in all seriousness. I joined up because I didn't know what I wanted to do after highschool and the only options in my town were construction or WalMart. To me it was worth it even with the mountains of BS you have to deal with on an almost daily basis.

So are you looking for a support or combat MOS?

 

[AN/ALR56]

I say go for it in all seriousness. I joined up because I didn't know what I wanted to do after highschool and the only options in my town were construction or WalMart. To me it was worth it even with the mountains of BS you have to deal with on an almost daily basis.

So are you looking for a support or combat MOS?

Combat,for a year and if I like it then applying for the cadet officer academy.
Although I don't think that conscripted soldiers are deployed to peace missions.

 

[dickwad]

@Holdek Yeah I know man. War would be total hell. The main military tactic right now is to look scary enough that Russians count to pros and cons invading my country. The system is twisted in the sense that the civilian infrastructure can be destroyed but the military structure stands even if the main leading staff and control network gets cut off. The warfare would evolve from stopping the mechanized infantry to a full blown guerrilla warfare. The main roads are only made strong enough to hold the support-units so that would funnel the troops to a few roads but that works only in theory.

But yeah enough of rambling and a time for old but gold story from my first 6 months.
So it was winter and we were on the second inna woods-exercise. The night guard patrols were running when the "close guard" (guy who patrols in the camp and keeps the stoves running) got changed. This new fellow, lets call him Smith, was woken up for the duty. Smith was not so keen of the idea to pull damp clothes up and go the freezing winter night to look out for other guys tent stoves and guarding the base-near from the invisible enemy. So he decided to stay inside the hot tent half naked and just watch the red glowing stove. Smith found himself feeling to use the bathroom. Of course there were no comfy toilets around, only a dug ditch with a seat to shat on, and it was freezing outside. So Smith had the bright idea to shit on a cardboard box, inside the tent, and hide the box to the neighbouring tent. So he did his business went outside and pushed the shitbox inside a neighbouring tent under the canvas. The tent reeked like shit but the guys tough someone just farted nuclear death. Mourning we were all hurrying to get to company and there were a big hassle.

At the evening countdown lieutenant was going apeshit. He commanded the whole platoon to stand outside where he raged how someone shat inside his bag So what happened was that the smith inserted his little jokebox inside the CO tent where the lieutenant tough in the morning hassle it was his and just threw it inside his bag. The bag got in to the truck where M72 LAW were piled on top of it. The box probably got mushed inside his bag and the shit smeared on his gear. The platoon guys remembered the smell and told the lieutenant about it. Smith admitted his wrong doing and probably got send home. I was in the neighbor platoon at that time. But the shouts were clear enough to carry inside. Shit-Smith you dun goofed.

 

[Enjoy your spaghetti]

I did eight years in the Navy Reserve. I started as a Damage Controlman (glorified shipboard plumber, sometimes they get to put out fires), but after six years as an E3, they finally approved my Yeoman (admin warfare) cross-rate package after me doing my unit's admin stuff. I finished as a YN2.