Science Has microbial life been found on Venus? - Ayy Lmao

EarthSky messed up by publishing an article that was meant for tomorrow, the 14th, and luckily, someone archived it before they hit the delete button. Nature will publish a paper tomorrow where MIT researchers discuss the detection of phosphine gas in Venus' atmosphere. Phosphine is considered a biomarker, meaning that its presence likely indicates the presence of certain forms of life that produce it, as researchers couldn't find any way it could form without human or biological action. Here's the archive of the article: (the links within aren't working for obvious reasons)
https://archive.is/L7MT1

Most of us are familiar with the old quote from Arthur Conan Doyle, “Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.” Those words may be more apropos than ever this week, as scientists announced an incredible discovery: tentative evidence for microbial life on Venus! As we know, Venus is a scorching and inhospitable world on the surface, probably the last place you’d expect to find any kind of life. But the hints of these tiny Venusians comes not from the planet’s surface, but rather from higher up in its atmosphere, where conditions can be remarkably Earth-like.

The exciting findings come from scientists in the US and UK, at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), Cardiff University, University of Manchester and others. Jane Greaves of Cardiff University lead the study.

The new peer-reviewed research paper was published in Nature Astronomy today, September 14, 2020. The Royal Astronomical Society also provided an online press briefing for journalists via Zoom, with three of the researchers to discuss the results, as well as issuing its own news release.

It should be noted that this is not quite yet proof of life on Venus, but the researchers make a compelling case.

For as long as we’ve known about conditions on the planet thanks to visiting space probes, Venus has always been considered one of the least likely to support life of any kind. With scorching temperatures hot enough to melt lead and crushing air pressure at the surface, along with large amounts of sulfuric acid in its clouds, Venus is far from being a welcoming place.

Some scientists, however, have speculated that life might be possible higher up in the atmosphere, where temperatures and pressures are Earth-like in a “temperate zone.” It is in this zone that the discovery was made.


What did the researchers find?
Simply put, a gas that shouldn’t be there, and on Earth is considered a conclusive biosignature: phosphine, a very stinky gas. As far as scientists know, there are only two ways to produce it, either artificially in a lab, or by certain kinds of microbes that live in oxygen-free environments. Since it is rather unlikely there any alien labs on Venus, that leaves microbes.
The researchers made the detection using the James Clerk Maxwell Telescope (JCMT) in Hawaii, and the Atacama Large Millimeter Array (ALMA) observatory in Chile.
Researchers from MIT had previously published studies showing that if phosphine was to ever be found on another rocky planet, it would be a sure sign of life there. Hence why this discovery is so provocative. But before announcing this tantalizing evidence, the researchers, of course, wanted to try to rule out other explanations. They considered and tested many various scenarios where this gas might be produced without life, but as they acknowledge, they came up empty. Clara Sousa-Silva at MIT, whose career specialty is studying phosphine, said in a statement:
It’s very hard to prove a negative. Now, astronomers will think of all the ways to justify phosphine without life, and I welcome that. Please do, because we are at the end of our possibilities to show abiotic processes that can make phosphine.
Finding phosphine on Venus was an unexpected bonus! The discovery raises many questions, such as how any organisms could survive. On Earth, some microbes can cope with up to about 5% of acid in their environment, but the clouds of Venus are almost entirely made of acid.


Co-author Janusz Petkowski added:

This means either this is life, or it’s some sort of physical or chemical process that we do not expect to happen on rocky planets.
We really went through all possible pathways that could produce phosphine on a rocky planet. If this is not life, then our understanding of rocky planets is severely lacking.
That’s a pretty definitive statement to make.

Greaves said:

This was an experiment made out of pure curiosity, really, taking advantage of JCMT’s powerful technology, and thinking about future instruments. I thought we’d just be able to rule out extreme scenarios, like the clouds being stuffed full of organisms. When we got the first hints of phosphine in Venus’ spectrum, it was a shock!
The researchers processed the data for six months before becoming convinced the phosphine was really there. According to Anita Richards, of the UK ALMA Regional Centre and The University of Manchester:

To our great relief, the conditions were good at ALMA for follow-up observations while Venus was at a suitable angle to Earth. Processing the data was tricky, though, as ALMA isn’t usually looking for very subtle effects in very bright objects like Venus.




at MIT, who led the work on trying to assess other natural ways to make phosphine on Venus. Some ideas included sunlight, minerals blown upwards from the surface, volcanoes, or lightning, but none of these could make anywhere near enough of it. These kinds of sources could only make, at most, one ten thousandth of the amount of phosphine that the telescopes saw. So something is producing a lot more of the gas. According to Paul Rimmer at Cambridge University, terrestrial organisms would only need to work at about 10% of their maximum productivity in order to produce the amount of phosphine found on Venus.

On Earth, phosphine is produced by microbes that don’t need oxygen. They absorb phosphate minerals, add hydrogen, and ultimately expel phosphine gas. Since Venus has virtually no oxygen in its atmosphere, that’s another similarity suggesting the gas actually is coming from microbes.

Since Venus is much too hot at its surface for any known earthly microbes, they must be in its atmosphere. There is a temperate region, between 48 and 60 kilometers above the surface, where temperatures range from 30 to 200 degrees Fahrenheit. That’s the habitable zone on Venus, and just happens to be where the phosphine was found. As Petkowski noted:

 
.....it’s happening?

Also, help a sister out: there’s a novel or short story where the Venusian colonists live in giant zeppelins high in Venus’ clouds. I can’t remember the name or author of it and it’s really bugging me. Any ideas?

The only Venus story I've read is "Perelandra." But Wiki tells me there was a roleplaying game called "Space: 1889" that featured that mechanic.
 
Life on Venus wasn't on my 2020 bingo list, but it's not the first time I've heard the idea. This has so many implications it's hard to get a grip on it. Firstly, either we've now confirmed life can and probably will exist fucking everywhere in the galaxy, or Venus was seeded from Earth, or Venus was once a garden planet which life evolved on, and *survived* the Big Venusian Planetary Skull Fuck that turned it into Venus. It gives weight to Carl Sagan's wacky idea to seed the atmosphere of Venus with carbon fixing microbes to start terraforming it. Venus would be significantly nicer than Mars if we could turn the carbon dioxide back into oxygen and inorganic carbon. And what does it mean if there's life on Venus but not Mars? That would just be fucking weird.
 
Life on Venus wasn't on my 2020 bingo list, but it's not the first time I've heard the idea. This has so many implications it's hard to get a grip on it. Firstly, either we've now confirmed life can and probably will exist fucking everywhere in the galaxy, or Venus was seeded from Earth, or Venus was once a garden planet which life evolved on, and *survived* the Big Venusian Planetary Skull Fuck that turned it into Venus. It gives weight to Carl Sagan's wacky idea to seed the atmosphere of Venus with carbon fixing microbes to start terraforming it. Venus would be significantly nicer than Mars if we could turn the carbon dioxide back into oxygen and inorganic carbon. And what does it mean if there's life on Venus but not Mars? That would just be fucking weird.

It's also possible there is a geological process which creates this gas.

Venus has a ton of pressure and very, very high temps, so I doubt we can send a probe there that can last more than a few minutes anyway
 
It's also possible there is a geological process which creates this gas.

Venus has a ton of pressure and very, very high temps, so I doubt we can send a probe there that can last more than a few minutes anyway
Balloon probes are the way to go for Venus, RocketLab is sending a commercial Venus probe fairly soon. I'm going to wait for the actual paper to be public though, because they'll have gone through geological alternatives in detail.
 
Hasn’t similar “proof” been found on Enceladus
Enceladus' geysers are laced with organic compounds but nobody really considers it to be serious evidence of life since organics occur naturally all the time without any biological involvement (though some do think it might still be a pre-biotic environment)

for what we apparently see on Venus it's a little different, there's no known non-biological process that can explain those findings, and whatever answer we find to that question short of human error will be significant, whether airborne microbes or some previously unknown chemical process. there's a similar situation on Titan as well concerning a noticeable lack of acetylene and hydrogen in its atmosphere that points either to exotic microbes or some unheard of low-temperature reaction that in itself may be a startling discovery.
 
there's a similar situation on Titan as well concerning a noticeable lack of acetylene and hydrogen in its atmosphere that points either to exotic microbes or some unheard of low-temperature reaction that in itself may be a startling discovery.
So is it possible life could exist on Titan but adapted to a methane environment instead of Earths water and Oxygen environment? I'm asking this because I know scientists think Titan is similar to Earth but with Methane replacing water so it rains methane and there are methane oceans on the moon. I'm just curious how plausible it would be for life to develop on another world that is Earthlike but has a different element that makes up its atmosphere.
 
http://astrobiology.com/2020/09/phosphine-detected-in-the-atmosphere-of-venus---an-indicator-of-possible-life.html#:~:text=The presence of phosphine is,the possible presence of life.&text=The phosphine has been detected,some to be potentially habitable.

Other source confirms embargo and press release.

There is a big press release coming out tomorrow (Monday 14 September) morning at the Royal Astronomical Society. They want you to know its big news. The press release has been issued in advance to some journalists under embargo - but not others (like us). We have not seen the press release. But according to several sources knowledgeable with the details of the announcement phosphine has been discovered in the atmosphere of Venus. Its presence suggests - suggests - some strange chemistry going on since phosphine is something you'd only expect to see if life (as we know it) was involved.
 
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That would be cool if we found life. Even on a hellish planet like Venus I would be happy knowing there are microscopic life forums alive in Venus' atmosphere. Imagine, decades from now NASA scientists announce they have indeed found life and it was Venus the whole time; not Mars.
It actually makes more sense than you'd think. Venus and Earth are sometimes considered "twin planets" due to having a similar size and up until last year it was generally believed that eons ago Venus had water and an atmosphere similar to Earth until the sun's radiation strengthened and turned it into the hell it is today. That party may be over, but it doesn't mean Venus may not still have some factors to it that, unlike Mars, allow for it to support microbial life. If there are microbes that can survive in super heated vents deep in the oceans on Earth, why couldn't there be some that manage to survive on Venus somehow?
 
Imagine, decades from now NASA scientists announce they have indeed found life and it was Venus the whole time; not Mars.
Curious but quite fitting as Venus is the planet associated to womanhood.

Looks like the next crusade will be to venus.
Patriarchy!!

Seriously though, remember Trump's recent words about how he wasn't more severe about covid because he didn't want people to panic? Imagine how much we aren't told about actual alien findings due to the same reason.
 
So wait, this means instead of the God-Emperor's wolves assaulting Luna, they're assaulting Venus? Doesn't have quite the same ring to it, I'm afraid.
 
Re-reading the article, it is massive amounts of hope.

As far as scientists know, there are only two ways to produce it, either artificially in a lab, or by certain kinds of microbes that live in oxygen-free environments. Since it is rather unlikely there any alien labs on Venus, that leaves microbes.

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Some ideas included sunlight, minerals blown upwards from the surface, volcanoes, or lightning, but none of these could make anywhere near enough of it.

It's contradictory. First it is either life or lab, but later there's other options.

Also, if there really is something that lives there, we should probably fucking kill it:

Discovery raises many questions, such as how any organisms could survive. On Earth, some microbes can cope with up to about 5% of acid in their environment, but the clouds of Venus are almost entirely made of acid.
 
Very doubtful. Venus is the hottest planet in the entire solar system, and that’s saying something because Mercury is next to the Sun and Io is so torn apart by Jupiter’s tidal forces it fucking melts; and worse than that it rains acid constantly. This is the very definition of a false positive chemical reading.
 
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