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What I'm telling you is simply what other women have told me in the past. If you don't like it, fine, but that doesn't invalidate mine and the lived experiences of others.

Yeah I don't deny that there could be some women like that but acting that the entire lingerie industry is build on women masturbating to them is idiotic or that majority of women were like that. Do the tribes women in the rainforest masturbate to their face paint?
 
Yeah I don't deny that there could be some women like that but acting that the entire lingerie industry is build on women masturbating to them is idiotic or that majority of women were like that. Do the tribes women in the rainforest masturbate to their face paint?
It's built on women feeling sexy. I'm not saying it's built on women having specific lingerie fetishes (aside from probably corset manufacturers at this point), but I do know women who have very pronounced lingerie fetishes and own a large amount of lingerie. Cisgendered, natal, woman born women, even.
 
I love furiously masterbating to my own reflection in the mirror as I flex my muscles, look at my hairy ass and take a glance at how my cock gets harder and harder.
God damn, I'm so fucking hot.
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Come on ladies, don't pretend you don't do it too, if you don't do it is because you're cringe, ugly and have the big gay.
 
Women who have lingerie fetishes and who are extremely aroused by being "girly" and wearing weird girly shit. Unless we're going to play the game that women don't have fetishes. There's a reason why the lingerie industry is as big as it is, and it's not the patriarchy.
No one's saying women don't have fetishes, this thread talks about fag-hag fujoshi trooning out for autoandrophillia semi-frequently. A woman putting on lingerie and feeling she looks sexy and being excited to have sex in is incomparable to a man putting on his mommy's knickers and fapping over the thought of himself having a vagina.
 
It's built on women feeling sexy. I'm not saying it's built on women having specific lingerie fetishes (aside from probably corset manufacturers at this point), but I do know women who have very pronounced lingerie fetishes and own a large amount of lingerie. Cisgendered, natal, woman born women, even.

Or you know it's build on women needing to wear underwear. Also owning a large amount of lingerie doesn't mean that you masturbate to them.
 
Or you know it's build on women needing to wear underwear. Also owning a large amount of lingerie doesn't mean that you masturbate to them.
It does when someone tells you "I have a lingerie fetish." And other women tell you that too. Sooooooooo....

No one's saying women don't have fetishes, this thread talks about fag-hag fujoshi trooning out for autoandrophillia semi-frequently. A woman putting on lingerie and feeling she looks sexy and being excited to have sex in is incomparable to a man putting on his mommy's knickers and fapping over the thought of himself having a vagina.
I've known at least one woman who got wet at the idea of dressing up like a guy.
 
I did mention already that some women might be like that, but you acting as if majority of women are is stupid and acting as if masturbating to yourself is natural part of womanhood is ridiculous.

Why don't you tell me, do you think muslim women masturbate to their burkhas? Would the tribeswomen get wet when they see some lingerie? Does some woman in egypt masturbate to female genital mutilation? You think most women are constantly aroused by the fact that we have boobs and pussies?
 
I did mention already that some women might be like that, but you acting as if majority of women are is stupid and acting as if masturbating to yourself is natural part of womanhood is ridiculous.

Why don't you tell me, do you think muslim women masturbate to their burkhas? Would the tribeswomen get wet when they see some lingerie? Does some woman in egypt masturbate to female genital mutilation? You think most women are constantly aroused by the fact that we have boobs and pussies?
That's not what I was saying at all. And I do know that muslimah wear some . . . very nice lingerie under their clothing, so hey, probably.

You seem to be fixated on the genitals and not the fact that I was talking about a LINGERIE fetish.
 
That's not what I was saying at all. And I do know that muslimah wear some . . . very nice lingerie under their clothing, so hey, probably.

You seem to be fixated on the genitals and not the fact that I was talking about a LINGERIE fetish.

And I was talking about AUTOGYNEPHILIA, THE FETISH OF IMAGINING YOURSELF AS A WOMAN. I was talking about that women do not masturbate to OUR OWN WOMANHOOD, which is what autogynephilia, the thing what I talked about, is.
 
And I was talking about AUTOGYNEPHILIA, THE FETISH OF IMAGINING YOURSELF AS A WOMAN. I was talking about that women do not masturbate to OUR OWN WOMANHOOD, which is what autogynephilia, the thing what I talked about, is.

Except I've known women who like to do that exact same thing, or at least they have pronounced lingerie fetishes. You seem mad that there are women out there who can be aroused by the idea of them being sexy and wearing sexy clothing for themselves.
 
Except I've known women who like to do that exact same thing, or at least they have pronounced lingerie fetishes. You seem mad that there are women out there who can be aroused by the idea of them being sexy and wearing sexy clothing for themselves.

Do these women get aroused by their own womanhood? It's a different thing to get aroused/feel sexy in lingerie, than BEING AROUSED BY THEIR WOMANHOOD, MEANING THAT THEY FEEL AROUSED FROM BEING WOMEN.

What part of do you not understand about this? I'm not talking about someone thinking lingerie is sexy, even though I used that as an example, I talk about autogynephilia and how women do not masturbate to our own womanhood and masturbating to ourselves is not intergal part of womanhood.
 
Do these women get aroused by their own womanhood? It's a different thing to get aroused/feel sexy in lingerie, than BEING AROUSED BY THEIR WOMANHOOD, MEANING THAT THEY FEEL AROUSED FROM BEING WOMEN.

What part of do you not understand about this? I'm not talking about someone thinking lingerie is sexy, even though I used that as an example, I talk about autogynephilia and how women do not masturbate to our own womanhood and masturbating to ourselves is not intergal part of womanhood.
Well the first part of what I don't understand is why you're sperging out about the idea of women having lingerie fetishes when I was addressing your specific example, and then me bringing up the fact that I do actually know women who are extremely aroused by wearing lingerie AND by themselves wearing lingerie, which, to the Internet, is basically what "autogynephilia" means.
 
Cisgendered, natal, woman born women, even.
That's the only kind of actual woman there is, tbqh. Even the "look at me, I'm a good tranner" trans women are still mentally ill men, they're just the pickmes of troons.

Women can theoretically develop a fetish for lingerie but more realistically most women aren't into lingerie for lingerie's sake, but because it makes them feel sexy to another person and they like their partner's reaction to it. I've literally never known a woman who got aroused from just putting on panties - that's strictly a thing men do. I've also never known a woman who got aroused from just having bobs and vagene, whereas men do (and often have stupid, unrealistic ideas of what it's like). The same goes for women's clothing (no, women don't get "wet" - which, it should be noted isn't always a sign of arousal - just from wearing a skirt, while many men pop stiffies - which is most typically a sign of arousal - from it). Only the most narcissistic of women would fap to themselves in the mirror in lingerie, and IME ~cisgendered, natal, woman born~ lesbians (AKA the only type of lesbian that exists) don't do this either.

It's autistic to argue that women have fetishes for clothes they wear either regularly (normal undies) or for explicitly sexy times (lingerie). Just because you pop a boner from a Victoria Secrets catalogue doesn't mean women feel the same way :\
 
Well the first part of what I don't understand is why you're sperging out about the idea of women having lingerie fetishes when I was addressing your specific example, and then me bringing up the fact that I do actually know women who are extremely aroused by wearing lingerie AND by themselves wearing lingerie, which, to the Internet, is basically what "autogynephilia" means.

Autogynephilia isn't just about thinking lingerie is sexy, it is fetish of imagining yourself as a woman. It's not my fault you don't understand what the word means, I'm not wrong for discussing from the perspective of what the word actually means.
 
Autogynephilia isn's just about thinking lingerie is sexy, it is fetish of imagining yourself as a woman. It's not my fault you don't understand what the word means, I'm not wrong for discussing from the perspective of what the word actually means.
Yeah, except you went on about lingerie for some reason, and I'm actually surprised you don't know any women who have lingerie fetishes.
 
Yeah, except you went on about lingerie for some reason, and I'm actually surprised you don't know any women who have lingerie fetishes.

In my second reply to you I wrote this, (though after an edit)

Also it's a different thing to feel sexy, as in thinking about how for example your partner sees you, than full blown autogynephilia meaning finding your own womanhood hot. Women don't fucking masturbate to our own boobs and pussies and asses, we don't just sit here and think "ooooooh i have tits i have pussy mmmmm i'm a woman ooooohhh how hot!!"

I think that should have clued you in that I wasn't just talking about lingerie. And lmao perhaps I just happen to know lot of normal women, your own bubble might not be what the every day women are like.
 
In my second reply to you I wrote this, (though after an edit)



I think that should have clued you in that I wasn't just talking about lingerie. And lmao perhaps I just happen to know lot of normal women, your own bubble might not be what the every day women are lie.
You were talking about lingerie and asked "how does autogynephilia work in cis women" and I answered the question. I'll admit that the women I know and have known, and have been in relationships with aren't exactly "normal" either.
 
You were talking about lingerie and asked "how does autogynephilia work in cis women" and I answered the question. I'll admit that the women I know and have known, and have been in relationships with aren't exactly "normal" either.

Yes, in the first post I used that as an example but if you followed my other posts at all you might have noticed that I specified my point later on about autogynephilia and not just mere lingerie fetish.

My point was, that if it's so natural for women to masturbate to the markers of womanhood, lingerie for example, would that mean that, for example, tribes women who have never seen lingerie in their life find it arousing too, if masturbating to lingerie is such a natural part of womanhood? Well of course they don't! Some tribeswoman living in the rainforest doesn't have the cultural understanding of lingerie and how it relates to sexuality and sex, so why would she find it arousing? Thus, masturbating to lingerie, a western/modern world marker of womanhood, is not natural part of womanhood. Lingerie isn't womanhood itself. That's what's ridiculous about autogynephiles saying that it's natural part of womanhood.

And that's where I come for my other points, would a tribes woman masturbate to their facepaints, that could be their marker of womanhood? Does some asian woman masturbate to their modified long neck? To the neck rings used to make her neck long? I doubt it. Because women do not find our own womanhood arousing. We don't exist here thinking about how we are women and get aroused by it.
 
Yes, in the first post I used that as an example but if you followed my other posts at all you might have noticed that I specified my point later on about autogynephilia and not just mere lingerie fetish.

My point was, that if it's so natural for women to masturbate to the markers of womanhood, lingerie for example, would that mean that, for example, tribes women who have never seen lingerie in their life find it arousing too, if masturbating to lingerie is such a natural part of womanhood? Well of course they don't! Some tribeswoman living in the rainforest doesn't have the cultural understanding of lingerie and how it relates to sexuality and sex, so why would she find it arousing? Thus, masturbating to lingerie, a western/modern world marker of womanhood, is not natural part of womanhood. Lingerie isn't womanhood itself. That's what's ridiculous about autogynephiles saying that it's natural part of womanhood.

And that's where I come for my other points, would a tribes woman masturbate to their facepaints, that could be their marker of womanhood? Does some asian woman masturbate to their modified long neck? To the neck rings used to make her neck long? I doubt it. Because women do not find our own womanhood arousing. We don't exist here thinking about how we are women and get aroused by it.
Lingerie is something used in the modern world as a representation of female sexuality, yes, as are a lot of other things involved in modern female sexuality. Women wear makeup to feel sexy; women do a lot of things to feel sexy. Those who says that they wear lingerie as their primary turn on means that it is a fetish for them.

Personally I don't understand a lot about the "autogynephilia," especially the period fixation as that can be... very painful. I'm sure a TERF posting here will very gladly kick a troon in the balls repeatedly for a week to simulate the experience.
 
You still don't understand. My point is not that women can't feel sexy in lingerie or make up. My point is that feeling aroused by your own womanhood is not integral part of womanhood.

Edit: And sorry for my huge derailing spergout, here's some troon to laugh at to get this thread back on the original topic:

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