Brianna Wu / John Flynt - Original Thread

[ZehnBoat]

In other words if a woman criticizes you, you should accept her critique because if you don't that's because you are sexist - the possibility that you may have valid points of disagreement with said critique doesn't exist.

if i was a woman, i would hate this so much.
"why yes, as a woman, treat me like a mentally retarded baby. because that's what women really want."

 

[Andy27]

if i was a woman, i would hate this so much.
"why yes, as a woman, treat me like a mentally retarded baby. because that's what women really want."

Yeah, I imagine many women who went far in certain fields like tech through merit must hate this crap.

 

[ZehnBoat]

Yeah, I imagine many women who went far in certain fields like tech through merit must hate this crap.

imagine working your way up the ladder as a woman, putting up with a ton of shit.
then suddenly this new woman comes in, and is put up high on the ladder next to you because "we have to hire more women or else we get labeled as sexist"
imagine, being the only person who can talk to her, because every time a man did, she would scream MISS OHJ ON KNEE
every time you shoot down an idea she goes THOSE MEN PUT YOU UP TO THIS, WE WYMYN MUST STICK TOGETHER. ROW ROW FIGHT THE PATRIARCY!!!
imagine her preaching to you every day, listening to her complain about all the "hard work" she has done.

 

[Andy27]

imagine working your way up the ladder as a woman, putting up with a ton of shit.
then suddenly this new woman comes in, and is put up high on the ladder next to you because "we have to hire more women or else we get labeled as sexist"
imagine, being the only person who can talk to her, because every time a man did, she would scream MISS OHJ ON KNEE
every time you shoot down an idea she goes THOSE MEN PUT YOU UP TO THIS, WE WYMYN MUST STICK TOGETHER. ROW ROW FIGHT THE PATRIARCY!!!
imagine her preaching to you every day, listening to her complain about all the "hard work" she has done.

Sounds like a nightmare... but it also reminded me the woman in this video by Sargon of Akkad

www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPn3j1nnr3Y

I like how she just admits that she was chosen specifically because she was a woman. She seems hellbent into guilting her son to sacrifice his own career to advance other women and generally a lot of what she spouts about have the same goal as Wu's quote.

 

[ZehnBoat]

Sounds like a nightmare... but it also reminded me the woman in this video by Sargon of Akkad

www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPn3j1nnr3Y

I like how she just admits that she was chosen specifically because she was a woman. She seems hellbent into guilting her son sacrifice his own career to advance other women and she generally a lot of what she spouts about have the same meaning as Wu's quote.

I'm reminded of that one women who made a "woman only" job. and the women slowly separated into groups and fought with each other over class and other shit.
yes, getting rid of men will rid the world of all of women's problems.
edit: i actually told me mom the story of that place, and she actually guessed correctly how everything ended up before i finished the setup

 

[Jaimas]

Game idea: Rev 60, but fun and engaging instead of shitty and boring.

Working on a design document for that.

 

[_blank_]

Off topic, but how would you make Rev60 fun without changing everything?

Just a few ideas.

1) Get Brianna Wu off the game. She can have "conceptual artist" credits, but otherwise, get her hands off the project. This honestly shouldn't be too difficult since it sounds like her team does 90% of the work anyway.
2) Get an attitude adjustment. No sensible person wants to play four snarky Bratz-girls except snarky 10-year olds who are already too busy with other more important shit. I would suggest considering the art style, make it into more of a satire piece, like a spiritual homage to No One Lives Forever meets cyberpunk aesthetics.
3) Fucking fix your mechanics. If you want a easy to play game with heavy story elements, then ape the fuck out of the Telltale design. Hell, if they could figure out how to make it into an interesting point and click game like the classic Sierra games, that could work as well.
4) Fix Holiday's hair. Seriously, I could learn to deal with the jawless fem-beasts Brianna has created, but until Holiday's hair is fixed, it will continue to look like she ripped off Bart Simpson's scrotum and taped it to the back of her Miranda Lawson Mary Sue.

There you go. Prime-grade mansplaining for you.

 

[Cubanodun]

Off topic, but how would you make Rev60 fun without changing everything?

remove brianna of the project or give him a menial task like Community manager, let the big boys and girls do the actual development,obliterate her horrible character designs, remade the battle system, remade all the scenarios and obviously remade all the history

who im kidding, Revolution 60 is a disaster, the only way to improve it was simple ignoring that it even exist

imagine working your way up the ladder as a woman, putting up with a ton of shit.
then suddenly this new woman comes in, and is put up high on the ladder next to you because "we have to hire more women or else we get labeled as sexist"
imagine, being the only person who can talk to her, because every time a man did, she would scream MISS OHJ ON KNEE
every time you shoot down an idea she goes THOSE MEN PUT YOU UP TO THIS, WE WYMYN MUST STICK TOGETHER. ROW ROW FIGHT THE PATRIARCY!!!
imagine her preaching to you every day, listening to her complain about all the "hard work" she has done.

sounds like the plot of The Evil Within 2

Yeah I just knew that instantly. Also, speaking of Frank, he seems to actually be capable of legitimately good art, or maybe I just don't know better:

[MEDIA=twitter]559038094004199424[/MEDIA][MEDIA=twitter]585413556679663616[/MEDIA][MEDIA=twitter]584707012098924546[/MEDIA]

is not that thing the Enigma Cannon from Megaman X5?

 

[Francis York Morgan]

Off topic, but how would you make Rev60 fun without changing everything?

I think you have to go all the way back to square one with Rev60 if you want any semblance of success. One of the biggest obstacles standing in the way of it being a fun game is that it has no audience outside of Brianna Wu. Based on what I know about the game, I don't think anyone involved bothered to ask a few crucial planning questions before actually trying to design this game:

1. Who is the target audience?
2. What system should we design this game for in order to get most of that audience?
3. Given our resources and abilities, what sort of game should we attempt to make?

If the idea is to purely focus on characters and story, then at that point just do what @_blank_ suggested and go with the Telltale route. Or make a visual novel. It's a small niche in the video game market but at least you wouldn't be spending ~$400K to produce one and you might even get a profit in time. Plus, if you had a truly talented writer or artist on your team, it would be a good way to showcase them and get some buzz going before you embark on a bigger, heavier project in time. Unfortunately, Team Wu lacks a talented writer to give Rev60 a fighting chance and the art is somewhere between uninspired and horrifying.

Long story short, I have no idea what you do with Rev60 as it stands. This game's budget is already somewhere around $400K and its issues aren't the kind you can solve by sinking more money into it. It's not going to be fun, it's not going to be profitable, but none of that seemed to be a concern for the person behind it.

 

[AnOminous]

3) Fucking fix your mechanics. If you want a easy to play game with heavy story elements, then ape the fuck out of the Telltale design. Hell, if they could figure out how to make it into an interesting point and click game like the classic Sierra games, that could work as well.

Funny you'd mention Sierra Games. That was co-founded by Ken and Roberta Williams. Roberta Williams invented one of the first major games franchises of its sort, the hugely successful King's Quest series. Everyone who grew up at that time and played games played some of these.

What's that? A woman in 1984? Not only designing games, but founding an entire genre?

It's almost like Wu is a Johnny-Flynt-come-lately.

 

[Ti-99/4A]

What's that? A woman in 1984? Not only designing games, but founding an entire genre?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystery_House
1980!

 

[Randall Fragg]

Off topic, but how would you make Rev60 fun without changing everything?

Make this a real thing. Same shitty mechanics, but not taken seriously at all. As Jace, Tyce, and Eli, you must overcome the Homo-fascist dictatorship that has overthrown America by blowing up the space station containing the Tumblr servers.
First Level: Take out the tranny bunker in a small city in the former United States. Reuben G Baron, one of Brianna's sniveling cronies, shows up and challenges you to a street race. After using your Prius street racing skills, he crashes into the SJW outpost and blows it up. Unfortunately, Reuban emerges from the flames, revealing himself as a Weeaboo Terminator, and the boss battle of the first level.
Second Level: Deagle Squad traverses the sewers of Boston to reach a compound of MRA's to make a weapons deal, to secure arms for the revolution. The MRA's quickly betray them, and Deagle squad must take out the fedora militia, and their leader, Papa FShmidt. After the last Loveshy has been wasted, the gang grabs their weapons and prepares for the next stage: Modifying the Race War Van into The Space War Van.
Third Level: Deagle Squad heads to a "Privileged Checking Camp" designed to manufacture luxury spaceships for the Tumblr elite. After fighting through the guards and freeing the workers, the gang has a boss fight with the camp warden, a gimp suit clad ADF. After defeating him, the gang makes off with the spaceship parts and launch the Space War Van.
Fourth Level: arriving at the Tumblr Server Space Station, Deagle Squad must fight through geishabots, SJW commandos, the characters from Revolution 60, and worst of all, Cyborg-Wu. And then we get the endings influenced by random bullshit you did.
Ending One: As Jace and Eli are cornered by the SJWs and Cyber-Wu, an alarm blares, and an announcement comes over the intercom: "Self Destruct Activated, All escape pods launched". On Jace's Tactical sunglasses's HUD, a video stream comes up, of Tyce in an escape pod flipping him off. "PRONKED".
Ending Two: Jace barricades the control room against the SJWs while Eli attempts to set the self destruct sequence. Eli promptly presses the "Vent Internal Atmosphere" button, everyone is blown into space.
Ending Three: Jace sets the self destruct charge, and he, Tyce, and Eli flee. As they rush towards the exit, they are ambushed by a battalion of SJW Commandos, and CyberWu. All hope for gaming seems lost. And then. Jace hears a familiar bark. Soap the Parkour Wolf swings through one of the space station's windows, and obliterates the SJWs with his Wolf Parkour. Deagle Squad escapes in the nick of time on Soap's Parkour Wolf Spaceship, lighting a blunt as the watch the Tumblr servers explode in the distance. All across the world, SJWs collapse as the Tumblr hivemind is severed. America, weed, and gaming has been saved.

 

[The I Scream Man]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Drjx5fQ4xhwMake this a real thing. Same shitty mechanics, but not taken seriously at all. As Jace, Tyce, and Eli, you must overcome the Homo-fascist dictatorship that has overthrown America by blowing up the space station containing the Tumblr servers.
First Level: Take out the tranny bunker in a small city in the former United States. Reuben G Baron, one of Brianna's sniveling cronies, shows up and challenges you to a street race. After using your Prius street racing skills, he crashes into the SJW outpost and blows it up. Unfortunately, Reuban emerges from the flames, revealing himself as a Weeaboo Terminator, and the boss battle of the first level.
Second Level: Deagle Squad traverses the sewers of Boston to reach a compound of MRA's to make a weapons deal, to secure arms for the revolution. The MRA's quickly betray them, and Deagle squad must take out the fedora militia, and their leader, Papa FShmidt. After the last Loveshy has been wasted, the gang grabs their weapons and prepares for the next stage: Modifying the Race War Van into The Space War Van.
Third Level: Deagle Squad heads to a "Privileged Checking Camp" designed to manufacture luxury spaceships for the Tumblr elite. After fighting through the guards and freeing the workers, the gang has a boss fight with the camp warden, a gimp suit clad ADF. After defeating him, the gang makes off with the spaceship parts and launch the Space War Van.
Fourth Level: arriving at the Tumblr Server Space Station, Deagle Squad must fight through geishabots, SJW commandos, the characters from Revolution 60, and worst of all, Cyborg-Wu. And then we get the endings influenced by random bullshit you did.
Ending One: As Jace and Eli are cornered by the SJWs and Cyber-Wu, an alarm blares, and an announcement comes over the intercom: "Self Destruct Activated, All escape pods launched". On Jace's Tactical sunglasses's HUD, a video stream comes up, of Tyce in an escape pod flipping him off. "PRONKED".
Ending Two: Jace barricades the control room against the SJWs while Eli attempts to set the self destruct sequence. Eli promptly presses the "Vent Internal Atmosphere" button, everyone is blown into space.
Ending Three: Jace sets the self destruct charge, and he, Tyce, and Eli flee. As they rush towards the exit, they are ambushed by a battalion of SJW Commandos, and CyberWu. All hope for gaming seems lost. And then. Jace hears a familiar bark. Soap the Parkour Wolf swings through one of the space station's windows, and obliterates the SJWs with his Wolf Parkour. Deagle Squad escapes in the nick of time on Soap's Parkour Wolf Spaceship, lighting a blunt as the watch the Tumblr servers explode in the distance. All across the world, SJWs collapse as the Tumblr hivemind is severed. America, weed, and gaming has been saved.

I would play the everloving shit out of this game.

Bonus points if it included a huge burly guy with a gruff demeanor, a long-suffering lady marksman who's seriously, seriously, tired of your guys' shit, a snappy, skinny guy with an inexplicable British accent, and a perennially-drunken lout who sometimes manages to save the day somehow. Whose best friend is a homicidal plank of wood he may or may not be able to communicate with.

Why yes, I did pick "Jokes that only @Coster, @ZombieGaryOak and @Surtur will get" for $1000

 

[MiloWuCollusion]

Yeah, I imagine many women who went far in certain fields like tech through merit must hate this crap.

My mother was a engineer, during the 60s in a country famous for its sexism and overcompensating moustaches. born in a family of twelve brothers and sisters withouth money. Her first reaction to stuff like this is "move you lazy ass". She knows that sexism exists in proffesional enverioments and that women generally have it harder... but she knows BS when she see it or when a person acts manipulative using her gender as a shield.

 

[Jaimas]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Drjx5fQ4xhwMake this a real thing. Same shitty mechanics, but not taken seriously at all. As Jace, Tyce, and Eli, you must overcome the Homo-fascist dictatorship that has overthrown America by blowing up the space station containing the Tumblr servers.
First Level: Take out the tranny bunker in a small city in the former United States. Reuben G Baron, one of Brianna's sniveling cronies, shows up and challenges you to a street race. After using your Prius street racing skills, he crashes into the SJW outpost and blows it up. Unfortunately, Reuban emerges from the flames, revealing himself as a Weeaboo Terminator, and the boss battle of the first level.
Second Level: Deagle Squad traverses the sewers of Boston to reach a compound of MRA's to make a weapons deal, to secure arms for the revolution. The MRA's quickly betray them, and Deagle squad must take out the fedora militia, and their leader, Papa FShmidt. After the last Loveshy has been wasted, the gang grabs their weapons and prepares for the next stage: Modifying the Race War Van into The Space War Van.
Third Level: Deagle Squad heads to a "Privileged Checking Camp" designed to manufacture luxury spaceships for the Tumblr elite. After fighting through the guards and freeing the workers, the gang has a boss fight with the camp warden, a gimp suit clad ADF. After defeating him, the gang makes off with the spaceship parts and launch the Space War Van.
Fourth Level: arriving at the Tumblr Server Space Station, Deagle Squad must fight through geishabots, SJW commandos, the characters from Revolution 60, and worst of all, Cyborg-Wu. And then we get the endings influenced by random bullshit you did.
Ending One: As Jace and Eli are cornered by the SJWs and Cyber-Wu, an alarm blares, and an announcement comes over the intercom: "Self Destruct Activated, All escape pods launched". On Jace's Tactical sunglasses's HUD, a video stream comes up, of Tyce in an escape pod flipping him off. "PRONKED".
Ending Two: Jace barricades the control room against the SJWs while Eli attempts to set the self destruct sequence. Eli promptly presses the "Vent Internal Atmosphere" button, everyone is blown into space.
Ending Three: Jace sets the self destruct charge, and he, Tyce, and Eli flee. As they rush towards the exit, they are ambushed by a battalion of SJW Commandos, and CyberWu. All hope for gaming seems lost. And then. Jace hears a familiar bark. Soap the Parkour Wolf swings through one of the space station's windows, and obliterates the SJWs with his Wolf Parkour. Deagle Squad escapes in the nick of time on Soap's Parkour Wolf Spaceship, lighting a blunt as the watch the Tumblr servers explode in the distance. All across the world, SJWs collapse as the Tumblr hivemind is severed. America, weed, and gaming has been saved.

I'm working on an RPG project somewhat similar, but trying to play it straight.

As evidenced by the huge number of "Feels" posts I got in the create-a-story thread, I think I can pull off making ridiculous ideas both funny and kind of awesome. At least, that's my hope. It'll be a while before I have the frameworks ready.

 

[Surtur]

I would play the everloving shit out of this game.

Bonus points if it included a huge burly guy with a gruff demeanor, a long-suffering lady marksman who's seriously, seriously, tired of your guys' shit, a snappy, skinny guy with an inexplicable British accent, and a perennially-drunken lout who sometimes manages to save the day somehow. Whose best friend is a homicidal plank of wood he may or may not be able to communicate with.

Why yes, I did pick "Jokes that only @Coster, @ZombieGaryOak and @Surtur will get" for $1000

Tower is a much better female character too.

 

[ZehnBoat]

My mother was a engineer, during the 60s in a country famous for its sexism and overcompensating moustaches. born in a family of twelve brothers and sisters withouth money. Her first reaction to stuff like this is "move you lazy ass". She knows that sexism exists in proffesional enverioments and that women generally have it harder... but she knows BS when she see it or when a person acts manipulative using her gender as a shield.

i get the feeling the only people who think women should be treated like stupid children and given everything are women who didn't have to work for what they already have. they're now running into the fact that life isn't giving them everything for free, so now they hope to abuse the sexism card (maybe to the point where actual sexism is ignored by society )

 

[Optimus Prime]

I think you have to go all the way back to square one with Rev60 if you want any semblance of success. One of the biggest obstacles standing in the way of it being a fun game is that it has no audience outside of Brianna Wu. Based on what I know about the game, I don't think anyone involved bothered to ask a few crucial planning questions before actually trying to design this game:

1. Who is the target audience?
2. What system should we design this game for in order to get most of that audience?
3. Given our resources and abilities, what sort of game should we attempt to make?

If the idea is to purely focus on characters and story, then at that point just do what @_blank_ suggested and go with the Telltale route. Or make a visual novel. It's a small niche in the video game market but at least you wouldn't be spending ~$400K to produce one and you might even get a profit in time. Plus, if you had a truly talented writer or artist on your team, it would be a good way to showcase them and get some buzz going before you embark on a bigger, heavier project in time. Unfortunately, Team Wu lacks a talented writer to give Rev60 a fighting chance and the art is somewhere between uninspired and horrifying.

Long story short, I have no idea what you do with Rev60 as it stands. This game's budget is already somewhere around $400K and its issues aren't the kind you can solve by sinking more money into it. It's not going to be fun, it's not going to be profitable, but none of that seemed to be a concern for the person behind it.

I think step 1 would be "figure out what the actual fuck the plot is about" since the only time it's ever been mentioned what the hell "Revolution 60" ever meant was straight from Wu themselves on some stream (Crimson 09's plan...not like it ever got talked about in detail).

At this point it's almost garunteed that Revolution 60 is in fact a heavy redressing of that bastardized comic project "Socially Unconcious" given Wu's otherwise inexplicable hateboner to Minnuete - who apparently is sorta-maybe-fuck-if-I-know-evil and also a bug lady - a character that looks dead-on like some character from SU (maybe even the same name, I don't remember) or that all the characters from SU got ported in one way or another to Rev. 60 wholesale anyway (Unknown probably was the most altered in the name change). Having been rejected from the Ole Miss paper's comic section, then later failed to do anything with an animation studio, Wu probably decided that hiring a bunch of script kiddies at low wage to throw together something with trace rip-off elements of popular series (too numerous to count at this point) was viable because she still had gobs of her parents money (somehow).

Wu only cares about Rev60 to the point of it being the realization of her own Sonichu, more or less, it's already perfect. She just has a problem with everybody else on the face of the Earth not seeing her apparent genius or whatever.

 

[Skeletor]

Off topic, but how would you make Rev60 fun without changing everything?

Drugs.

 

[A Random]

Drugs.

Maybe if it injected some directly to the vein every time you started it, it'd be profitable.