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What you're referring is called dry ice blasting and it's not 100% effective. However, you would need a good size chunk of dry ice contaminated with the virus to get anywhere with it. A piece that can go in your suitcase wont cut it.
How much dry ice you maybe asking yourself.
Enough for frozen foods to get from one end of the world to another.
One also has to ask themselves, how would the virus survive being turned into dry ice along with carbon dioxide due to the fact you need -78.5C to create it in the first place. By itself the older SARS virus can handle -4 to -80c.
I'm not sure that link is helpful; it merely describes how to pack fish in dry ice. How do we know it would take "enough for frozen foods to get from one end of the world to another"?Never mind, CO2 can deactivate coronavirus. Chinese patent on it from 2004. From there just freeze it.
CN1721526A - Method for removing the activity of coronavirus by using supercritical fluid - Google Patents
The present invention provides coronavirus deactivating supercritical fluid process. The coronavirus deactivating supercritical fluid process includes the following steps: A. introducing supercritical CO2 into container with article or matter carrying coronavirus to be treated for deactivating...patents.google.com
You'll still need a lot of dry ice though since you'll kill some of the virus during deactivation and destroy some more during freezing. It would be easier to get someone to be patient zero and then die somewhere in a corner.
I'm so not reading 1400+ pages right now. Happily KF has a handy-dandy search feature. So let's plug in @pull over dat ass too fat, and also "HIV." Two results. Neat!Alright fuckers. Autism time. Let me explain the fantasy and the reality of this situation.
Alright so let's now pretend that speculation was 100%correct. The chinks made a synthitic virus through splicing. And it escaped their lab.
-the vaccine: splicing viri to get vaccines isn't new. It should be noted that as the other spoiler specifies, this virus has NO HIV protein though. So, the whole point of a spliced vaccine is to get a relatively safe and recogbizable capside protein from an agent we want to immunize against into a viral vector we know better so we can break that virus and get a vaccine with that protein.
So instead they tried, and failed, to insert the SPIKE protein from HIV (as in the only actually dangerous protein you shouldn't be splicing ever under any circumstance) into a virus they couldn't control at all or knew how to break afterwards, with no marker whatsoever. Now that's some real big brain moves. If this was a western lab I'd say that is 100% impossible. This is china we're talking about. They have a 10IQ advantage, so obviously I cannot predict their 4d chess intellectual moves from future people. Superpower 2020 indeed.
-detrction agent: this would mean they were trying to use corona to detect other parasites the virus might infect. Well, it is a bacteriophage, so it makes kind of sense. But you know. Rule 1 of that would be use a virus that ONLY infects what you want to detect. So this would be a cataclismic failure. Made even worse by the fact that again: IT HAS NO SELLECTION MARKERS. It's a detector you can't detect... fucking genius. Furthermore why use a class of viri (RNA viri) that are infamous for their mutation rate and capacity to infect new stuff. I mean this one just so happens to mutate less than usual. But still. RNA virus? Fucking really?! Viral vectors are used in biotech a lot. But there's a ginormous amount of layers of protection. One of which is using THE most specialized vectors only, and under huge amounts of scrutiny, even after having branded them in their own genome with markers. But of course, this is china. So who the fuck knows really. Just look at their BSL4 photos, they are abhorrent.
That's BUNK. We KNOW for a fact the HIV mixing is bullshit because @pull over dat ass too fat BLASTed the fuck out of the so called HIV sequence and we all laughed our asses off on the thread. Since then the scientific community has checked this shit meticulously, going do far as to FULLY SEQUENCING ITS GENOME. And we ain't found SHITE. Even if it was synthetic. It's not an HIV hybrid. And I still don't think it's synthetic but that's besides the point now.
ISCIII would've already sounded the alarms if this was airborne aids. They've been THE fucking scientific vanguard for this shit since minute 1. And I can tell you, not even any internal memmo claims anything of the sort.
As for the vaccine shit, a known antivaxer grabbed the same fucking seauence we BLASTed and added a lot of bullshit speculation. There's literally not a shred of proof of that shit.
This is a coronavirus. It's that simple.
CO2, more importantly. Criogenizing viri is nothing new, but you don't use raw CO2 like that. I think it's fake. But I know it's biologically plausible.
Coronaviruses are notoriously deadly and are usually pretty large in length so their chance of damaging cells when replicating is high. Also worth noting that being less lethal in early stages is not good (and seems to be the case with this virus already, starts out mild in all cases and often worsens) that's how you get things like HIV and flu. It's a sign of prolific viruses, because people don't go to the hospital and walk around while infecting others.
The article you posted is from the 21st. We knew nothing about the virus on the 21st and we honestly still know very little about it, other than that it's likely very transmissible. You should catch up w the thread at least from the past day, there's a ton of info archived here. China is almost certainly not giving correct numbers. Basing your understanding off of info confirmed only by China is naive.
You can't treat a coronavirus by targeting HIV proteases. They are so completely genetically different. viral treatments like these are usually meant for a very specific virus. The only correct response rn is quarantine.
Since I'm known for my hilariously bad takes, and everybody seems to be too cool to wear their tinfoil asshats, I'll go ahead and jump on these grenades:
I'm not sure that link is helpful; it merely describes how to pack fish in dry ice. How do we know it would take "enough for frozen foods to get from one end of the world to another"?
Also, since when is a patent proof that something works or doesn't work? And how much do you think I can sell my "ocean-front property in Nevada" patent for?
I'm so not reading 1400+ pages right now. Happily KF has a handy-dandy search feature. So let's plug in @pull over dat ass too fat, and also "HIV." Two results. Neat!
If I'm reading this right: "it may or may not be artificial," and "it's probably not ACTUALLY a treatment, or at least not a viable one."
Are we reading the same guy here? @pull over dat ass too fat, care to clarify?
Thanks!Good thing I listened to my own advice and bookmarked this shit.
There you fucking go. Full analysis.
EDIT: also, tip for searching. Use words that don't have synonims and aren't used often. In this case it popus up when searching for his user and BLAST
Two people were talking about dry ice blasting, my original thought it couldn't be done due to sample size even if dry ice blasting wont kill 100% of the virus, until I found a Chinese patent to deactivate the virus with CO2.
i used that so people would get a good idea how much dry ice would be needed to travel Frozen foods need a lot of dry ice for traveling. Even in the United States you'll get semi's full of dry ice to ship frozen goods. That's about the amount you would need for peoples theory about dropping off dry ice at a fish market to spread disease.Since I'm known for my hilariously bad takes, and everybody seems to be too cool to wear their tinfoil asshats, I'll go ahead and jump on these grenades:
I'm not sure that link is helpful; it merely describes how to pack fish in dry ice. How do we know it would take "enough for frozen foods to get from one end of the world to another"?
Also, since when is a patent proof that something works or doesn't work? And how much do you think I can sell my "ocean-front property in Nevada" patent for?
I'm so not reading 1400+ pages right now. Happily KF has a handy-dandy search feature. So let's plug in @pull over dat ass too fat, and also "HIV." Two results. Neat!
If I'm reading this right: "it may or may not be artificial," and "it's probably not ACTUALLY a treatment, or at least not a viable one."
Are we reading the same guy here? @pull over dat ass too fat, care to clarify?
And we're trusting Chinese patents now?Two people were talking about dry ice blasting, my original thought it couldn't be done due to sample size even if dry ice blasting wont kill 100% of the virus, until I found a Chinese patent to deactivate the virus with CO2.
Thanks!
So, skimming a bit, but your argument seems to be: "if THIS crackpot theory is wrong, then all SIMILAR theories must be wrong!" It seems like Pull was debunking a SPECIFIC combination theory (and also posits elsewhere that it COULD be artificial, but just as likely mutated naturally.)
You sure you're not putting words in his mouth? It IS called SARS-Covid-2, so it's not a stretch to assume it's related to other SARS strains. And there's nothing about HIV in the original article, nor Pull's debunking of it.
So... what's your point?
All these fucking idiots... from the email leaks?The problem is that as I explained ad nauseaum. The Indian paper cited there is the ONLY evidence all these fucking idiots ever use. The vaccine crackpot was already answered in that same page, and that's what he cited. The french nobel crackpot only cited the indian paper and his undisclosed "research" he lets no one see, the bioweapon crackpots only quote the indian paper an online rumor mills.
This aren't different crackpots. It's just the same amorphous blob of regurgitated bloggosphere self-fellatio. I've seen this phenomenom before time and time again. And like Potholer54 shows on his videos, once you get to the source, it's just a broken telephone starting from shit that wasn't peer reviewed.
Also, I'm not puting words in his mouth. I'm just pointing at his research when aplicable. I don't claim to talk for the kiwis. I'm not the Lorax for Autism.
Did he tho? Are you sure? HIV?That's BUNK. We KNOW for a fact the HIV mixing is bullshit because @pull over dat ass too fat BLASTed the fuck out of the so called HIV sequence and we all laughed our asses off on the thread.
Do you happen to have a direct link to the post? I'd like to read the whole thing and fully get the goods.That's BUNK. We KNOW for a fact the HIV mixing is bullshit because @pull over dat ass too fat BLASTed the fuck out of the so called HIV sequence and we all laughed our asses off on the thread. Since then the scientific community has checked this shit meticulously, going do far as to FULLY SEQUENCING ITS GENOME. And we ain't found SHITE. Even if it was synthetic. It's not an HIV hybrid. And I still don't think it's synthetic but that's besides the point now.
ISCIII would've already sounded the alarms if this was airborne aids. They've been THE fucking scientific vanguard for this shit since minute 1. And I can tell you, not even any internal memmo claims anything of the sort.
As for the vaccine shit, a known antivaxer grabbed the same fucking seauence we BLASTed and added a lot of bullshit speculation. There's literally not a shred of proof of that shit.
This is a coronavirus. It's that simple.
All these fucking idiots... from the email leaks?
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO MY WINDMILL, YOU SADIST!?
Anyways, since you've invoked him, I'm perfectly happy to wait for @pull over dat ass too fat to come by and pat you on the head and tell you what a good boy you've been.
You have been a good boy. Haven't you?
EDIT: Also, I'd be remiss if I didn't point out:
Did he tho? Are you sure? HIV?
Friendly reminder: It's perfectly fine to mis-remember or be mistaken. I do it all the time.
Thanks, I'm a funny guy!Very funny. And the email idiots so far are quoting air, forum posts with no backing, and emails with boomer paswords. But fuck it, you're right, I misremembered which idiot he was BLASTing there, sorry for that one, hell I didn't even remember a non-HIV idiot, either way. I'm fairly sure we did have the HIV shit redebunked here. But I'll BAST it again here myself. Or more concretely I'll blast insert 4. If you want I'll go after the other three later, right now I have to exercize.
So here's the original paper: https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.30.927871v1.full
if you check:
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inserts are the parts in black. So paper claims insert 4 is analogous to HIV. That is: "CAGACTAATT CTCCTCGGCG GGCA", alright, first off let's check where it is. If you go to the sequence because their figures are shit:
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that's 23592 to 23625, BLAST THAT SHIT, also remember to tell BLAST to ignore SARS-COV2 else it'll just tell you SARS COV2 has 100% analogy. Yes that's even if you use BLAST straight from the ncbi page, it doesn't remember where it comes from like that. Just put those numbers in the range sarscov2 in the specimen and tell it to blast:
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Well that's awkward, no relevant sequences at all. Go back and tell it to blastn so it'll check for more shit.
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WOULD YOU LOOK AT THAT. 13 (edit: ORGANISMS (God I'm dumb))AND NONE OF THEM ARE HIV. The indians fucked up. Because they're streetshitters. And that's why the non-peer-reviewed paper got assblasted to hell and back as soon as it got peer reviewed. Voila! Every idiot quoting this shit, nobel price or not, can get fucked.
If you want later today I'll blast the other 3. But suffice it to say, it's the same fucking result. THIS SHIT'S BUNK.
Damn, I should have said The normie fags used boomer passwords and had them quote that instead.
One thing I was thinking about last night, though: is it possible that some of the password leaks may have been intentional? Maybe this is a exceptional line of though, but is it conceivable that someone at one of these orgs wanted to goad people into logging into hundreds of accounts with hundreds of different IPs en masse so as to provide evidence of a break-in/"cyber-attack" and thereby taint evidence from some real or hypothetical upcoming leak? "I swear, these aren't MY drugs, officer. Someone broke into my house right before you searched it, and I have CCTV of them kicking in the door!"
Thanks, I'm a funny guy!
This is a little more on-the-nose and easier to follow. I'm not sure why we're just snipping bits and pieces to compare, when it could be any one of them, but at some point I just have to throw my hands up and admit the awful truth: I just don't know very much at all about gene-splicing. Shocker, I know.
Again though, I do wonder what that paper has to do with the email leaks. (Which, as you rightly point out, aren't confirmed and may never be able to be.) As best I can parse it: this guy is saying he found 4 similarities to the HIV, and you're saying "no he didn't." Which is fair enough. I assume you (or someone else) looked at the other 3, with similar results?
So let's assume the paper you're citing is entirely bunk. Does this rule out HIV splicing entirely?
I know I'm asking a lot here. But that's because there's not a whole lot to go on, right now. I guess it helps that we've mapped the HIV genome, but that still sounds like a needle in a haystack for our human brains (if there's even a needle.)
On the up-side, people with advanced degrees are stuck at home with little to do. Sure would be nice to close the book on this.
Same thing when you put in your pin, when you use your credit card or debt card. Those machines [store them] I tell people all the time to never put in your pin when you purchase ANYTHING and use ALWAYS as a Credit card and push enter (green button) and do not ever use your pin unless you are at your bank and only your bank.Maybe a stupid question...
Why would these organizations store passwords as plain text and not hashed? I'm sitting on the fence if these are real or not.
I actually would wait for your blasting of the other 3. Then you will realize that they don't have streps. In fact HIV is the only one in common for all 4 segments. If I got some time I can guestimate a p value for that. Oh, people like to point out that it's not 4 segments but two if you compare to RaTG13. There are people in the field saying that Dr. Shi admitted herself that there is no actual virus left in her lab when asked for it; all she got is sequence. My friend working at HMS actually has a non-nefarious explanation for the insertions: your average virus lab uses so much adeno- vectors that the air and benches are all filled with their dead segments. Most of the time people don't use actual virus for experiments but simply the full length RNA/DNA wrapped in their envelop. Those constructs eat a lot of shit from the environment that's why you can always find adeno segments in them.If you want later today I'll blast the other 3. But suffice it to say, it's the same fucking result. THIS SHIT'S BUNK.
If you want later today I'll blast the other 3. But suffice it to say, it's the same fucking result. THIS SHIT'S BUNK.