US Seventh Democratic Debate: The Remorse Awakens

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Welcome to seventh Democratic primary debates, tonight will feature:


"Jo" Biden, former vice president
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Pete Buttigieg, former mayor of South Bend, Indiana
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Amy Klobuchar, US senator from Minnesota
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Bernie "
Reeducation Camps" Sanders, US senator from Vermont
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Andrew Yan-Hahaha never mind, apparently the internet isn't representative of public opinion. Goodbye slant eyes!
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Tom Steyer, billionaire
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Elizabeth Warren, US senator from Massachusetts

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The poll will be posted after the debate. Escalations in Iran and seeing the dynamic change as candidate dropout will spice the debate up.
 
Now that Sanders, Warren, and others will all be trapped in the senate for the impeachment Biden can finally have his time in the limelight.

Here are the highlights from last night
 

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Oh dear. CNN apparently has a hot-mic of that uncomfortable Sanders/Warren moment:



Exclusive: Warren accused Sanders in tense post-debate exchange of calling her a 'liar' on national TV

(CNN)In a tense and dramatic exchange in the moments after the Democratic debate Tuesday night, Elizabeth Warren accused Bernie Sanders of calling her a liar on national television.

Sanders responded that it was Warren who called him a liar and said they should not talk about it right then.

When the CNN/Des Moines Register debate concluded, the studio audience and viewers saw Warren walk over to Sanders and not shake his outstretched hand. The two senators seemed to have a heated and brief exchange before Sanders appeared to throw his hands up, turn and walk away. The video of the exchange aired live with no audio.

But sound of the moment was caught by CNN's microphones and found Wednesday.

"I think you called me a liar on national TV," Warren can be heard saying.

"What?" Sanders responded.

"I think you called me a liar on national TV," she repeated.

"You know, let's not do it right now. If you want to have that discussion, we'll have that discussion," Sanders said, to which Warren replied, "Anytime."

"You called me a liar," Sanders continued. "You told me -- all right, let's not do it now."

After their exchange, fellow Democratic candidate Tom Steyer, who had been standing behind the two senators, can be heard saying, "I don't want to get in the middle. I just want to say hi Bernie."

A spokesperson for the Sanders campaign declined to comment on the audio. A spokesperson for Warren's campaign did not respond to a request for comment.

The tense interaction between Sanders and Warren capped a 48-hour period in which the two progressive presidential front-runners, who have mostly gone through a year-long campaign without any public signs of discord, were suddenly put at odds.

On Monday, Warren said Sanders told her during a private 2018 meeting that a woman could not win the presidency. In a CNN story published earlier that day, four sources had said Sanders had told Warren in the meeting a woman couldn't win.

Sanders has repeatedly denied making the comment while Warren has held firm in saying that he did -- and that she disagreed with his assessment.

The terse post-debate exchange between Warren and Sanders was all the more striking because it came during a routine round of pleasantries among the rivals, as the crowd's applause still echoed inside the Sheslow Auditorium at Drake University in Des Moines.

"Joe, good job," Warren said, extending her hand to former Vice President Joe Biden. "Good to see you."

"Good job, Pete (Buttigieg)," Sanders said. "Good job, Amy (Klobuchar)."

Then, Warren came face-to-face with Sanders and confronted him, puncturing the non-aggression pact that has held for the past year.

It was notable that before the debate, the two senators shook hands when they arrived on stage. When they left, they did not.

The conversation was not captured on the primary audio feed from the candidates' podiums. After the debate, CNN did an inventory of the audio equipment that was used and found two backup recordings from the microphones Sanders and Warren were wearing.

CNN then synchronized the audio recordings with the footage that was broadcast live on Tuesday night.

The conversation played out on the debate stage, in public view, and occurred before Sanders and Warren's clip-on microphones were removed.

During Tuesday's debate, Sanders and Warren both doubled down on their differing accounts of the 2018 meeting.

Pressed by the moderators, Warren called Sanders her "friend" and insisted she wasn't there "to try to fight with Bernie," before pivoting to the broader issue of women running for president.

Sanders, who had said he didn't "want to waste a whole lot of time on this because (a fight between them) is what Donald Trump and maybe some of the media want," vehemently denied questioning whether a woman could win the presidency.

"Anybody who knows me, knows that it's incomprehensible that I would think that a woman could not be president to the United States," he said. "Go to YouTube today. They have some video of me 30 years ago talking about how a woman could become president of the United States."

CNN's Gregory Krieg contributed to this report.



 
See, I say Biden one because he stood there and drooled while his two closest rivals stood there and looked like complete assholes. Which is great because they managed to overshadow Pelosi's magic pen ceremony along the way.
 


CNN debate moderator Abby Phillip asked Bernie Sanders in the Tuesday debate in Des Moines:

“CNN reported yesterday — and Senator Sanders, Senator Warren confirmed in a statement — that, in 2018, you told her you did not believe that a woman could win the election. Why did you say that?”

Not “did you say that,” but “why did you say that?”

Sanders denied it, then listed the many reasons the story makes no sense: He urged Warren herself to run in 2016, campaigned for a female candidate who won the popular vote by 3 million votes, and has been saying the opposite in public for decades. “There’s a video of me 30 years ago talking about how a woman could become president of the United States,” he said.

Phillip asked him to clarify: He never said it? “That is correct,” Sanders said. Phillip turned to Warren and deadpanned: “Senator Warren, what did you think when Senator Sanders told you a woman could not win the election?”

That “when” was as transparent a media “fuck you” as we’ve seen in a presidential debate. It evoked memories of another infamous CNN ambush, when Bernard Shaw in 1988 crotch-kicked Mike Dukakis with a question about whether he’d favor the death penalty for someone who raped and murdered his wife, Kitty.

This time, the whole network tossed the mud. Over a 24-hour period before, during, and after the debate, CNN bid farewell to what remained of its reputation as a nonpolitical actor via a remarkable stretch of factually dubious reporting, bent commentary, and heavy-handed messaging.

The cycle began with a “bombshell” exposé by CNN reporter MJ Lee. Released on the eve of the debate, Lee reported Warren’s claim that Sanders told her a woman couldn’t win in a December 2018 meeting.

Lee treated the story as fact, using constructions such as, “Sanders responded that he did not think a woman could win,” and “the revelation that Sanders expressed skepticism that Warren could win.”

Lee said “the conversation” opened a window into “the role of sexism and gender inequality in politics”: The conversation also illustrates the skepticism among not only American voters but also senior Democratic officials that the country is ready to elect a woman as president …

Although Lee said she based the story on “the accounts of four people,” they were “two people Warren spoke with directly soon after the encounter,” and “two people familiar with the meeting.” There were only two people in the room, Sanders and Warren. Lee’s “four people” actually relied on just one source, Warren.

If this sounds familiar, it’s because it’s the same construction that’s driven countless other shaky stories in the past, from WMD reports to Russiagate speculations. An unconfirmable hearsay story is conveyed by one source, who gives the reporter the numbers of two or three other people in the office who’ve heard the same tale from the same place. Voilà: A one-source pony is now factual “according to several people familiar with the matter.”

CNN hyped the “feud” between Sanders and Warren the whole day before the debate. “This is a heavyweight match tonight. This is going to be frisky, it’s going to be competitive,” former DNC chair and commentator Terry McAuliffe said. This was the ratings-humping aspect of this gross episode.

On The Lead With Jake Tapper — where the anchor was forced to play devil’s advocate and bring up the “did it even happen?” question — there was scoffing about the senator’s denials. Here’s an exchange between Tapper and Hilary Rosen, a longtime Democratic strategist:

Jake Tapper: Hilary, let me start with you. The explanation that we heard from the Sanders campaign last night was basically, ‘Look, they got their wires crossed.’… What Senator Sanders was trying to say was Trump will exploit misogyny and sexism and make it difficult for a woman to win.
Hilary Rosen: Yes.
Jake Tapper: He wasn’t saying he doesn’t believe a woman will win.
Hilary Rosen: What they were saying is the little lady misunderstood. [Laughter]

The debate preview show hosted by Anderson Cooper and featuring the likes of McAuliffe, former Clinton comms person Jess McIntosh, and former senior adviser to Barack Obama David Axelrod, was full of hand-wringing about how the Democratic Party is moving too far to the left. Panelists worried aloud about how more “moderate” candidates like Pete Buttigieg, Joe Biden, and Amy Klobuchar (the recipient of obsessive attention within media circles despite a comically consistent absence of real-people support) might get traction through the debate.

A consistent question was whether Warren would “engage” Sanders on the “women can’t win” story, or whether someone else like Klobuchar might:

Gloria Borger: In the fight between, you know, between Warren and Sanders over gender and whether he told her that a woman couldn’t win, I don’t think they’re going to engage on that tonight. That took place —
Anderson Cooper: Governor McAuliffe was out here earlier saying that he thinks they may not engage on it, but that Senator Klobuchar …
David Axelrod: Yes, I think that’s right. I think that’s right.

Sanders wasn’t always mentioned by name in exchanges about the party’s unfortunate extremist drift, but we know who Axelrod was talking about when he suggested that Klobuchar or Buttigieg might say, “We can talk about Medicare for All. But here on planet Earth …”

Of course, there were times when Sanders was mentioned, like when Dana Bash offered this gibberishy mouthful about the “commander-in-chief test”:

Do [voters] want a Bernie Sanders anti-interventionist, or do they want somebody who has experience and who has — as I’m sure you will hear behind us — voted for things like the Iraq war and maybe has made other decisions that he doesn’t regret and has been a leader on national security, but also has some that he does?

CNN factory-produces these banal meanderings, worrying over the chances of establishment candidates and how they might overcome the irrational urges of the electorate (“It’s head or heart,” as Bash put it). It’s elite messaging in numbing quantity, to the point where you feel like screaming, “We get it!”

This continued during the debate, with the chryon featuring questions like, “How will [Sanders] avoid bankrupting the country?” Or: “Does Sanders owe voters an explanation of how much his health plan will cost them and the country?”

After Phillip pulled the “When Sanders said that horrible thing we can’t prove happened, how did you feel?” trick with Warren, she moved to Klobuchar, who by coincidence was the person panelists predicted might “go for the jugular” over this story: “Senator Klobuchar,” Phillip said, “What do you say to people who say a woman can’t win the election?” Again, the sleazy construction of the question presupposed that someone actually did say it.

I wondered online how long it would take for someone after the debate to declare Klobuchar the winner. It turned out to be the very first comment on Anderson Cooper’s wrap-up show, from Gloria Borger: “Well, I think that Amy Klobuchar tried her hardest to distinguish herself as a pragmatist who can tell the rest of the Democrats to get real.”

Then McIntosh said this: I think what Bernie forgot was that this isn’t a he said/she said story. This is a reported-out story that CNN was part of breaking. So, to have him just flat-out say no, I think wasn’t — wasn’t nearly enough to address that for the women watching.

Poor Anderson Cooper was forced to intercede and point out that it literally is a he said/she said story (and not remotely “reported out,” I might add). Soon after, Bash said it was an “out-of-the-park moment” for Warren, adding that the story was a litmus test for gender solidarity:

And so she is trying to use that moment and explain why, not just a woman, but her as the woman in that position, should be really seriously considered. And it was a clever way of doing it because she also brought in the other woman on the stage, almost — a sister in solidarity.

Rounding out the cycle of completely predictable messaging, Van Jones said, “There was a banana peel sent out there for Bernie to step on when he came with his comments about women. I think Bernie stepped on it and slid around.” He concluded, “[Warren] knocked that moment out of the park.”

After the debate, Trump fans online were in full schadenfreude mode, crowing about how “the left” finally understood that CNN really is fake news. Overall, #CNNisgarbage trended and #fuckCNN wasn’t far behind.

If the network doesn’t see trouble in this, it’s delusional. Voters on both sides of the aisle have changed since the Bernard Shaw days. They pay more attention to media manipulations, and it doesn’t get much more manipulative than punching above the facts to advance transparent political narratives, which is a new and accepted habit in the commercial news landscape.

We’ll find out in Iowa and New Hampshire what Democratic Party voters believe about that Warren-Sanders meeting, but that grimy story pales in comparison to the bigger picture: Episodes like this are why people hate the media.

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Critics of the corporate media as well as supporters and staffers of Sen. Bernie Sanders' campaign blasted the moderators of the CNN/Des Moines Register Democratic presidential debate Tuesday night for employing centrist talking points and demonstrating a bias against Sanders in how they framed questions.

The debate, which ran over two hours, was moderated by the Register's Brianne Pfannenstiel and CNN's Wolf Blitzer and Abby Phillip. It featured six of the 12 remaining Democratic candidates: Sanders (I-Vt.), former Vice President Joe Biden, Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.), billionaire environmentalist Tom Steyer, and former South Bend, Indiana Mayor Pete Buttigieg.

As Common Dreams reported, the financial burden of deploying American forces was notably absent during first part of the debate—a lengthy discussion on foreign policy and war—but the moderators did ask candidates about the costs of implementing Medicare for All healthcare, as Sanders has proposed. That contrast, and the presentation of the healthcare questions, sparked swift condemnation from progressives.

Overall, a team of Rolling Stone writers called the debate moderators' questions "mystifyingly inane." In a piece titled "CNN Completely Botched the Democratic Presidential Debate," HuffPost's Zach Carter called them "awful." According to him, the debate on the whole was "tedious, interminable, frivolous... a fiasco of irrelevance held three weeks before the Iowa caucuses."

"Again and again, CNN anchors substituted centrist talking points for questions―and then followed up predictable responses with further centrist talking points, rarely illuminating any substantive disagreements between the candidates or problems with their policy positions," he wrote.

Carter pointed to examples such as when Phillip noted that Des Moines is an "insurance town" and asked Sanders what will happen to employees of private insurance companies if the country implements Medicare for All. She also asked Sanders, "How would you keep your plans from bankrupting the country?"

Those critiques and examples, along with others, circulated on social media:

The debate led some critics on Twitter to conclude that #CNNisFox or #CNNisTrash:

The debate came just a day after CNN published what critics called a hit piece involving a private conversation between Sanders and Warren in 2018. Citing four unnamed sources—none of whom were in the room for the conversation—CNN reported that Sanders told Warren "he did not believe a woman could win" the presidential race. While Warren issued a statement after the story ran endorsing the findings of the report, Sanders has repeatedly denied it, including during the debate.

A team of writers at The Intercept detailed how CNN handled the topic Tuesday night:

Phillip opened a line of questioning on the recent feud between Sanders and Sen. Elizabeth Warren: "CNN reported yesterday, and, Sen. Sanders, Sen. Warren confirmed in a statement that in 2018 you told her that you did not believe that a woman could win the election. Why did you say that?"

The moderator's use of Warren to confirm a version of the story that originally came from Warren's account of the meeting at the time signaled which side CNN was taking in the he-said/she-said, but it was confirmed by the framing of the question—"Why did you say that?"—rather than asking whether he said it.

Sanders denied the accusation, noting that he had been ready to stand aside for Warren to run in 2016, though she declined to. Phillip pressed to be clear he was denying the charge, then pivoted to Warren, and waved away his denial with such force—"Sen. Warren, what did you think when Sen. Sanders told you a woman could not win the election?"—that Sanders and the audience laughed.

The New Republic's Libby Watson declared that "CNN is truly a terrible influence on this country."

Jeet Heer, a national affairs correspondent at The Nation, wrote in a piece titled "CNN Has It in for Bernie" early Wednesday that "the big loser of the night was the network that hosted the event. CNN was so consistently aligned against Bernie Sanders that it compromised its claim to journalistic neutrality."

"CNN's treatment of Sanders raises a major problem that he's going to have to confront going forward: Some major players in the mainstream media are clearly unafraid to cover him in a biased and one-sided manner," Heer concluded. "But this problem also has an upside: Sanders thrives under adversity, and he can use these examples of bias to fundraise and to mobilize his base. The Sanders campaign is a gamble, and one major uncertainty is whether his base is strong enough to overcome consistently negative media coverage."

Sanders, a longtime critic of the corporate media whose backers have repeatedly called out the U.S. media for ignoring his campaign during this election cycle as part of a #BernieBlackout, had his "single best fundraising hour of any debate so far" during the first hour of Tuesday night's debate, according to Robin Curran, his campaign's digital fundraising director.

"When we fight, we win," Workers for Bernie SATX tweeted in response to Curran's announcement. "And Bernie's gonna win."

Recent polling suggests that may be true—at least, in Iowa. The latest polling from the debate hosts, published Friday, had Sanders in the lead at 20% ahead of the Feb. 3 caucuses. J. Ann Selzer, president of Selzer & Co., which conducted the poll, told the Register, "For real, he could win the caucuses."

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As those watching the Democratic presidential race have no doubt heard, one of the most recent points of contention has to do with a 2018 conversation between Sens. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.). At the risk of oversimplifying matters, Warren said she and Sanders disagreed in their private chat about whether a woman could win a presidential election.

The Vermont senator denies having made the comments, and last night in Wisconsin, Donald Trump took the time to side with Sanders.

President Donald Trump weighed in Tuesday night on the feud between Democratic presidential candidates Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., and Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., telling supporters at a campaign rally here that he did not believe that Sanders had said that a woman could not win the 2020 presidential election.

“I don’t believe that he said this,” Trump said, referring to reports that during a private conversation in 2018 Sanders told Warren he did not think a woman could win in 2020 — a statement the Sanders campaign has denied.

“I don’t know him, I don’t particularly like him, he’s a nasty guy,” Trump continued, while defending Sanders and arguing “it’s just not the kind of a thing he’d say.”

Because Donald Trump knows “the kind of things” Bernie Sanders might tell Elizabeth Warren in a private conversation?

A few hours earlier, House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.), a close White House ally, spoke at a Capitol Hill press conference and, unprompted, started talking about the existence of Democratic superdelegates – which McCarthy described as “horrific” – before accusing House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) of delaying the president’s Senate impeachment trial in order to somehow “hurt” Bernie Sanders.

McCarthy added that former Vice President Joe Biden should stop campaigning during Trump’s impeachment trial – out of deference to Sanders, who’ll be tied up at the trial. (McCarthy made no mention of the other senators who’ll also be taken off the campaign trail during the trial.)

All of this may seem bizarre – and to a very real extent, it is – but it’s not accidental. There’s a GOP strategy unfolding, and it’s based on a couple of assumptions.


First, Trump and McCarthy seem to believe Sanders’ supporters can be manipulated – a belief I suspect the Vermonter’s backers will find insulting – and intra-party divisions in Democratic politics can be stoked to ensure Trump’s re-election. McCarthy’s reference to superdelegates was especially notable: some Sanders supporters are under the mistaken belief that Democratic superdelegates derailed the senator’s 2016 candidacy, which is not what happened.

Second, Republican attempts at mischief notwithstanding, the New York Times reports that Donald Trump’s political advisers see Bernie Sanders as “their ideal” general-election opponent. To that end, the article added, members of the president’s team “have been doing what they can to elevate [the independent senator’s] profile and bolster his chances of winning the Iowa caucuses.”

Which, naturally, helps explain why the president sided with Sanders last night, and why McCarthy seemed so focused on helping Sanders yesterday afternoon.

It’s likely that many Democratic primary and caucus voters will look past these tactics, which is just as well. But as these efforts intensify, at least we’ll know the motivation behind them.

Postscript: It’s worth emphasizing, in case this isn’t obvious, that Team Trump may see Sanders as their “ideal” 2020 foe, but Republicans may very well be wrong. Plenty of Democrats saw Donald Trump as the weakest GOP candidate four years ago, and we now know those assumptions didn’t work out especially well.
 
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During his rally in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, President Trump weighed in on the political dustup between Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., and Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., and appeared to be taking Sanders' side over a sexism-charged claim affirmed by his Senate colleague.

Trump, who earlier this week relished the rivalry between the progressive candidates, expressed his support for Sanders who was accused in a report of telling Warren that a woman couldn't win the presidency during a December 2018 meeting ahead of the 2020 race.

"According to Elizabeth 'Pocahontas' Warren, who has somehow less Indian blood in her than I do and I have none... according to her, Bernie said -- and I don't believe that he said this. I don't know him. I don't particularly like him. He's a nasty guy, but I don't believe he said this," Trump said.

"She said, right, that Bernie stated strongly that a woman can't win for president. A woman can win for president. Fortunately..." the president smirked, alluding to his 2016 victory over Hillary Clinton. "But she said that Bernie said a woman can't win. I don't believe Bernie said that. I really don't. It's not kind of a thing he'd say."

Sanders' alleged remarks were first reported on Monday, according to sources close to Warren and those familiar with their meeting. Sanders offered a strong denial.

"It is ludicrous to believe that at the same meeting where Elizabeth Warren told me she was going to run for president, I would tell her that a woman couldn't win," Sanders told Fox News. "It's sad that, three weeks before the Iowa caucus and a year after that private conversation, staff who weren't in the room are lying about what happened. What I did say that night was that Donald Trump is a sexist, a racist and a liar who would weaponize whatever he could. Do I believe a woman can win in 2020? Of course! After all, Hillary Clinton beat Donald Trump by 3 million votes in 2016."

Following the report, a video clip from 1988 surfaced of Sanders expressing his support for a woman to become president.

"The real issue is not whether you're black or white, whether you're a woman or a man -- in my view, a woman could be elected president of the United States," Sanders said at the time while backing Jesse Jackson's candidacy. "The real issue is whose side are you on? Are you on the side of workers and poor people or are you on the side of big money and the corporations?"

However, Warren issued a statement affirming the report.

"Bernie and I met for more than two hours in December 2018 to discuss the 2020 election, our past work together and our shared goals: beating Donald Trump, taking back our government from the wealthy and well-connected, and building an economy that works for everyone. Among the topics that came up was what would happen if Democrats nominated a female candidate. I thought a woman could win; he disagreed," Warren said.

She continued, "I have no interest in discussing this private meeting any further because Bernie and I have far more in common than our differences on punditry. I'm in this race to talk about what's broken in this country and how to fix it -- and that's what I'm going to continue to do. I know Bernie is in the race for the same reason. We have been friends and allies in this fight for a long time, and I have no doubt we will continue to work together to defeat Donald Trump and put our government on the side of the people."

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CNN is being accused of "media malpractice" over its handling of the disputed claim that Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., told Sen. Elizabeth Warren., D-Mass., that a woman couldn't win the presidency during a December 2018 meeting.

The liberal news network broke the story on Monday. The network cited unnamed sources close to Warren who claimed that the Vermont senator told her that he didn't believe she could win a presidential election because she's a woman. Sanders denied the claim, but Warren affirmed the report.

At Tuesday night's debate in Iowa, Sanders was asked about the dustup by CNN political correspondent Abby Phillip.

"CNN reported yesterday that- and Senator Warren confirmed in a statement-- that in 2018 you told her that you did not believe that a woman can win the election. Why did you say that?" Phillip asked.

"Well, as a matter of fact, I didn't say it," Sanders sharply replied. "Anybody who knows me knows that it's incomprehensible that I would think that a woman cannot be president of the United States. Go to YouTube today. There's some video of me 30 years ago talking about how a woman could become president of the United States."

Sanders then pointed to his attempt to "draft" Warren to run for president in 2016 and vowed to support the eventual Democratic nominee, including female candidates like Warren and Sen. Amy Klobuchar, D-Minn.

"Senator Sanders, I do want to be clear here. You're saying that you never told Senator Warren that a woman could not win the election," Phillip followed.

"That is correct," Sanders answered.

"Senator Warren, what did you think when Senator Sanders told you a woman could not win an election?" Phillip then asked the progressive rival, which sparked audible laughs in the auditorium and a shake of the head from Sanders.

That exchange sparked intense backlash on social media.

"Incredible. The CNN moderator asked Warren as if it were de facto true that Bernie told her a woman couldn't be president. I cannot believe a moderator did not ask her if it was true. She just said straight up what did you think when Bernie said that to you? I'm blown away." Daily Caller editor-in-chief Geoffrey Ingersoll reacted.

"Wait CNN just refused to listen to Bernie and just took what Warren said was the truth? progressive commentator Hasan Piker asked, later adding "what CNN is doing tonight should be criminal."

"The kids gloves the moderators have right now is exasperating. Both candidates are, in effect, calling the other a liar. And they're being allowed to just skate past it!" Washington Free Beacon reporter Alex Griswold exclaimed.

"Seriously it is outrageous that CNN would take Warren's accusation as a statement of fact. Media malpractice," The Hill TV host Saagar Enjeti declared.

Even Donald Trump Jr. went to bat for Sanders and slammed the liberal network.

"How did CNN just pretend that Bernie didn’t totally deny that he said a woman couldn’t win and pretend like it it was a fact just because Warren said so? It’s not like her entire persona isn’t built on lies... Is the fix against Bernie in again???" the president's son questioned.

Sanders flatly denied the claim that was made in CNN's report on Monday while Warren initially did not comment on the claim.

"It is ludicrous to believe that at the same meeting where Elizabeth Warren told me she was going to run for president, I would tell her that a woman couldn't win," Sanders told Fox News. "It's sad that, three weeks before the Iowa caucus and a year after that private conversation, staff who weren't in the room are lying about what happened. What I did say that night was that Donald Trump is a sexist, a racist and a liar who would weaponize whatever he could. Do I believe a woman can win in 2020? Of course! After all, Hillary Clinton beat Donald Trump by 3 million votes in 2016."

Following the report, a video clip from 1988 surfaced of Sanders expressing his support for a woman to become president.

"The real issue is not whether you're black or white, whether you're a woman or a man -- in my view, a woman could be elected president of the United States," Sanders said at the time while backing Jesse Jackson's candidacy. "The real issue is whose side are you on? Are you on the side of workers and poor people or are you on the side of big money and the corporations?"

However, Warren issued a statement affirming the report.

"Bernie and I met for more than two hours in December 2018 to discuss the 2020 election, our past work together and our shared goals: beating Donald Trump, taking back our government from the wealthy and well-connected, and building an economy that works for everyone. Among the topics that came up was what would happen if Democrats nominated a female candidate. I thought a woman could win; he disagreed," Warren said.

She continued, "I have no interest in discussing this private meeting any further because Bernie and I have far more in common than our differences on punditry. I'm in this race to talk about what's broken in this country and how to fix it -- and that's what I'm going to continue to do. I know Bernie is in the race for the same reason. We have been friends and allies in this fight for a long time, and I have no doubt we will continue to work together to defeat Donald Trump and put our government on the side of the people."+

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Actress Amber Tamblyn faced a wave of backlash on Wednesday after she defended Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., in her feud with 2020 opponent Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt.

"She didn't lie. She told HER truth," Tamblyn told a Twitter user who claimed Sanders tried to "smear Bernie" during Tuesday night's Democratic debate in Iowa, adding: "Keep your sexist s--t out of my timeline."

Tamblyn had offered a full-throated endorsement of Warren, dubbing her "the one."

"To the people being harassed, bullied, and talked down to, both in public and behind closed doors, because they believe whole heartedly in the message, momentum, and brilliance that is Elizabeth Warren— Keep going. Keep fighting. She’s the one," she tweeted.

On Twitter, many criticized Tamblyn's use of the term "her truth." "No such thing as HER truth, there's only THE truth," one user tweeted.

Warren has accused Sanders of telling her in 2018 that a woman couldn't win the 2020 presidential election. Sanders has repeatedly denied saying so.

"Anybody who knows me knows that it's incomprehensible that I would think that a woman could not be president of the United States," he said during the debate.

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As the Democratic debate in Iowa wrapped Tuesday night, Sen. Elizabeth Warren confronted the extended hand of Sen. Bernie Sanders. He was plainly after one of those no hard feelings, good game handshakes. We’re cool, right?

Warren (D-Mass.) wasn’t cool. It’s hard to have the presence of mind to refuse the near-mandatory displays of collegiality, but she did, folding her hands. Noli me tangere. Touch me not. CNN had cut the sound by this time, but in the pantomime she could seem to be speaking brusquely.

It’s a commonplace to say that lefties shouldn’t squabble among themselves, even in a primary, when it’s obligatory. But Warren was right to confront Sanders on Tuesday, not least because it showed she’s in fighting shape for November — keen, even-tempered, quick on her feet. And she addressed sexism in the campaign with imagination and subtlety. Remember, Trump’s capacity for sexism was considered one of his strong suits as a candidate in 2016.

Watching the Tuesday night kabuki in slo-mo, you can see that Sanders (I-Vt.), who’s notoriously irritable and suffers from cardiac issues, was riled by whatever Warren said, and by her refusal to be touched. He shook a finger at her. Then again. He seemed intent on freeing her right hand to grab it.

We all know this stock male move: Come on, baby, give me a hug; we’re still friends.

Sure, during the debate, Sanders had gaslighted Warren over whether he told her a female candidate couldn’t win the 2020 election. But now he wanted her to forgive and forget. If he could be seen shaking her hand, he might be off the hook. But... nope. Warren didn’t play along. Sanders huffed off.

No one, or at least no Democrat, can afford to get gender issues wrong these days. The remarkable radioactivity of gender issues may have been best illustrated in a 2018 “Saturday Night Live” sketch, in which a group at a dinner table discusses a date-rape charge. None of the friends can put a foot right, and each false move sets off a horror-movie montage. When one character says something dicey like, “While I applaud the #MeToo movement…” or “She should have just left,” terror reigns. Buffaloes charge, necromancy is in the air, and the pizza rat appears to forecast end times.

Sanders understandably wants to preempt one of those horror shows. Panic over being canceled is very real, especially for ruling-class men like Bernie, who despite his socialist tendencies is also a millionaire and U.S. senator. But Sanders in his fear couldn’t summon anything like the humor and irony of “SNL.” Or the self-awareness. Or the good-natured affection he wanted Warren to perform for him.

Sanders’ dispute with Warren had erupted the day before, with a news report of the 2018 meeting between them at which, according to CNN, Sanders told Warren a woman cannot win a presidential election. Warren confirmed the story. Sanders’ aides then called CNN’s (and Warren’s) account “a lie.”

A lie. Pretty strenuous protesting-too-much denial of something that could have been handily mitigated. If Sanders had more composure , he might have confirmed the report too — don’t we all think he said something close to what was reported? Then Sanders could have explained that he, like many feminists, fears America is too sexist to elect a Madame President. Done.

Instead his campaign distilled to a poisonous brew all the current male anxieties about gender with that one word: “Lie.” (On Twitter, pro-Sanders botnets drove the point home with a classy “Lying Liz” hashtag.) In Iowa, Sanders bloviated when the inevitable question about the report surfaced: “Anybody knows me knows that it’s incomprehensible that I would think that a woman cannot be president of the United States.” Inconceivable!

Then: “How could anybody in a million years not believe that a woman could become president of the United States?” In a million years!

Sanders’ move to the general case did his alibi no favors — and the moderators from CNN, which co-hosted the Tuesday debate, clearly didn’t buy his rejection of the reporting.

At the same time, who cares what Sanders said in a casual meeting? If Warren had told Sanders a Jewish man pushing 80 can’t win because the country’s too anti-Semitic and ageist, she’d have had nothing to be ashamed of.

But for Sanders and many politicians like him, this is the gender issue in 2020. It’s not a celebration of the Equal Rights Amendment which, astonishingly and way past deadline, the Commonwealth of Virginia ratified Wednesday. Instead it’s pizza rats and terror.

When the Sanders campaign said Warren lied, and Sanders himself insisted outrageously on his feminist bona fides (in a million years), and then tried to buttonhole Warren into a handshake only to storm off when he couldn’t seal the deal — all that only enacted the sexism he was at pains to deny.

Warren’s performance told a different story. Her point was less about sexism than about winning. She coolly reviewed the records of people on stage. Sanders said a woman couldn’t win? Well, isn’t that special, because the two women on the debate stage — Warren and Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.) — had won every single election they’d been in.

Warren went on: The men on stage had collectively lost 10 elections. (Sanders alone lost seven.) Oh, and she also pointed out she was the only person on stage to have beaten a Republican incumbent — someone in Trump’s position — in the last 30 years.

Not so! Sanders cried. He had beaten a Republican incumbent in 1990. Right, Warren replied. Thirty years ago. 2020 minus 1990. Sanders was wrong in thinking Warren hadn’t clocked his George H.W. Bush-era win. But the arithmetic is beside the point. Sanders just wanted to double-down on #LyingLiz.

“What I saw on Elizabeth Warren’s face,” said the political scientist Jason Johnson later, “is the face of... every single person who has heard someone say something racist, offensive or sexist — you know you heard it and then you see them deny it in public.”

Warren won. She also proved she’s a master strategist. She didn’t let Sanders get away with denying he’s sexist Tuesday night. Instead, she checkmated him into proving it.
 
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The DNC Machine is finding it harder and harder to keep its hatred for Sanders off the cameras. What I wouldn't give for a hot mic recording of that argument.
Haha, you got your wish!

The conversation was not captured on the primary audio feed from the candidates' podiums. After the debate, CNN did an inventory of the audio equipment that was used and found two backup recordings from the microphones Sanders and Warren were wearing.

CNN then synchronized the audio recordings with the footage that was broadcast live on Tuesday night.

The conversation played out on the debate stage, in public view, and occurred before Sanders and Warren's clip-on microphones were removed.



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I love how the camera tracked right in front of Bernie and Warren as the "hot mic" was on and Warren repeated, "you called me a liar on national tv". Because women never lie, sexist.

Watching reviews of this subject, when the "moderator" brought this up, Warren gave a little smirk. And when Bernie tried to explain how he is obviously not a sexist and brought up his support for Hillary, Warren touched her nose twice like a catcher signaling to a pitcher. Thank you, CNN, for proving why nobody should trust you.
 
Am I the only one who thinks this "comment" he doesn't remember was along the lines of

"Gee Liz, I dunno if a woman can win the Presidency, it's such an uphill battle to overcome the nations' inherent sexism"

and not

"LoL, a broad in the White House, what are you smoking"?


Seems to me they're so desperate to tank Bernie so they don't have to assume the bad optics of screwing him again, they are alleging that his pointing out the nation is sexist, is itself, sexist...... despite being something the dems say 24/7....

That's peak IDpol if so....
 
I know this isn't popular to say but with the amount of pressure the DNC must be able to put on someone they don't like, like Bernie, it's really hard to blame him for bending the knee in 2016. He has seven grandchildren to think about, and aside from being able to leave them a lot of wealth, I wouldn't be surprised if they threatened to make their lives miserable if he didn't take the offer...
 
What broader issue? They are allowed there isn't an issue. Hillary as a man wouldn't have been any better.
If anything, she gets an easy ride because she isn't a man. NYU's theater department did a whole play consisting of excerpts from the debates played by gender-swapped actors in an effort to prove the country would've elected her had she been a man and most audiences found male Hillary repugnant. Look at this shit;
 
It will be Amy Vs Trump in 2020. Warren is a chronical liar and bad at it, Sanders is weak and a Commie and all his staffers are Red guard Thugs.
Biden will be Toast and the 2 money bags cant win the nomination.
 
What broader issue? They are allowed there isn't an issue. Hillary as a man wouldn't have been any better.
Don't question the narrative, bigot. Hillary only lost because of institutional sexism, but don't forget that she actually won as well!
Not sure if trolling or stupid.
>he's never been to Wallonia
Charleroi looks like a mix between Detroit and City 17, with a pinch of Chernobyl sprinkled on top.
 
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