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SpaceX to Launch 60 More Starlink Satellites (Launched)
As the company presses ahead with its project to launch tens of thousands of satellites for internet service from space, astronomers fear “the night sky will never be the same.”

Key Points:
  • Recycled SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket Launches 60 Starlink internet relay satellites at once
  • The Starlink network is designed to provide "high-bandwidth, low-latency connectivity," throughout the world
  • Each Starlink weighs 573 pounds
  • SpaceX is approved to Launch 12,000 Starlink Satellites, SpaceX requests to operate 30,000
  • 360 Starlinks to be in orbit in 2020
  • According to the United Nations Office of Outer Space Affairs, there were 5,062 satellites orbiting the Earth as at the 13th March 2019
  • Elon Musk "Greater good" to help the disadvantaged.

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    A view of SpaceX’s Starlink’s satellites just before being deployed on May 24. The company is scheduled to launch 60 more on Monday morning. Credit...SpaceX
    Shannon Hall
    Nov. 11, 2019

    Early on Monday morning, SpaceX is scheduled to launch 60 satellites into space at once — the second installment of Starlink, its planned constellation of tens of thousands of orbiting transmitters to beam internet service across the globe. The launch, from Cape Canaveral, Fla., is set for 9:56 a.m. Eastern and will be streamed live on SpaceX’s website.


    When SpaceX, the private rocket company founded by Elon Musk, launched the first batch of Starlink orbiters in May, many astronomers were surprised to see that the satellites were extremely bright, causing them to fear that the constellation would wreak havoc on scientific research and transform our view of the stars. Since then, many scientists have been on a mission to better quantify the impacts of Starlink and to share their concerns with SpaceX.

    In response, SpaceX has said that it wants to mitigate the potential impacts of Starlink. But at the same time, the company is still moving full steam ahead.

    In October, Mr. Musk announced that he was using Twitter via a Starlink internet connection, as his company was requesting permission from the Federal Communications Commission to operate as many as 30,000 satellites on top of the 12,000 already approved. Should SpaceX succeed in sending this many satellites to low-Earth orbit, its constellation would contain more than eight times as many satellites as the total number currently in orbit.

    That move added to the worries of many astronomers.

    When James Lowenthal, an astronomer at Smith College, first saw the train of Starlink satellites marching like false stars across the night sky in the spring, he knew something had shifted.


    Less than 24 hours after SpaceX's launch of the first 60 Starlink satellites, Netherlands May 2019


    “I felt as if life as an astronomer and a lover of the night sky would never be the same,” he said.

    Most of the first Starlink nodes have since moved to higher orbits and are now invisible for most of us who live under bright city lights. But they are still noticeable from places with dark skies. If thousands more of these satellites are launched, Dr. Lowenthal said he feared “it will look as if the whole sky is crawling with stars.”

    Since May, the American Astronomical Society has convened an ad hoc committee with Dr. Lowenthal and other experts to discuss their concerns with SpaceX representatives once a month.

    At the same time, SpaceX has been working directly with the National Radio Astronomy Observatory, a federally funded research center that operates facilities across the world, to jointly minimize potential impacts of Starlink satellites on radio wavelengths that astronomers use. But these conversations did not focus on light pollution, a problem presented by the reflective surfaces of proposed satellite constellations such as Starlink. At first, SpaceX said the complication would be minimal, and the new committee is trying to assess the impact and actively find solutions.

    “So far, they’ve been quite open and generous with their data,” Dr. Lowenthal said. “But they have not made any promises.” A spokeswoman from SpaceX said the company was taking steps to paint the Earth-facing bases of the satellites black to reduce their reflectiveness.

    But Anthony Tyson, an astronomer at the University of California, Davis, said that wouldn’t solve the problem.Dr. Tyson is the chief scientist for the Large Synoptic Survey Telescope — a 27-foot, billion-dollar telescope under construction in Chile that will scan the entire sky every three days. The survey, the world’s largest yet, will help astronomers better understand dark energy, dark matter, the origin of the Milky Way and the outer regions of the solar system. But because it is designed to scan faint objects, it is expected to be greatly affected by the satellites.

    Dr. Tyson’s simulations showed that the telescope would pick up Starlink-like objects even if they were darkened. And they wouldn’t just affect a single pixel in a photograph. When there is a single bright object in the image, it can create fainter artifacts as well because of internal reflections within the telescope’s detector. Moreover, whenever a satellite photobombs a long-exposure image, it causes a bright streak of light that can cross directly in front of an object astronomers wish to observe.

    “It’s really a mess,” Dr. Tyson said.

    Knowing how challenging it would be to correct these interrupted images, Dr. Tyson decided the best step forward was to set the telescope to avoid Starlink satellites. While simulations based on the earlier 12,000-satellite total suggested that would be possible, SpaceX’s application for 30,000 additional satellites upset the calculations.

    “We’re redoing the models now just to see what’s visible at any one time — and it’s really quite frightening,” said Patrick Seitzer, a professor of astronomy emeritus at the University of Michigan, who has been running similar analyses to determine how many satellites will be visible and when. His preliminary results suggest that avoiding the satellites would be difficult during twilight — a serious problem given that potentially hazardous asteroids and many objects in the solar system are best seen during this time. The satellites thus limit the ability of astronomers to observe them.

    And Dr. Tyson’s early simulations also confirm the potential problems, demonstrating that over the course of a full year, the giant telescope wouldn’t be able to dodge these satellites 20 percent of the time. Instead, those images would be effectively ruined.

    SpaceX’s 30,000 satellites might also just be the start as other companies, such as Amazon, Telesat and OneWeb, plan to launch similar mega-constellations.

    “If there are lots and lots of bright moving objects in the sky, it tremendously complicates our job,” Dr. Lowenthal said. “It potentially threatens the science of astronomy itself.”

    Jonathan McDowell, an astronomer at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics who closely tracks objects in orbit, agrees.

    “There is a point at which it makes ground-based astronomy impossible to do,” he said. “I’m not saying Starlink is that point. But if you just don’t worry about it and go another 10 years with more and more mega-constellations, eventually you are going to come to a point where you can’t do astronomy anymore. And so let’s talk about it now.”

    While astronomers are starting those conversations, they have little legal recourse. There are no regulations in place to protect the skies against light pollution.

    “International space law is pretty wide open,” said Megan Donahue, an astronomer at Michigan State University and the president of the American Astronomical Society. While many astronomers have been concerned about radio interference and space debris, she says light pollution is a bigger concern because there are no rules in place. That means any path forward relies on the good will of SpaceX and other companies.

    “It’s more of a philosophical question,” Dr. Donahue said. “It kind of boils down to: How much do I trust corporate good will, and how much would a corporation care about the opinion of people who care about science and astronomy?”

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If spaceX manages to launch 42000 satellites, I imagine we will have bigger problems than the night sky, like the inevitable space collisions.

Hopefully they underperform as usual and save everyone the trouble.
 
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Considering how much Russia wants to cut off its own version of the Internet from the rest of the world's Internet (whether it's feasible or not), I've been wondering how they'd react to their firewalled citizens being able to freely connect to Starlink? Would they jam the signal or just shoot the satellites down?
 
“It kind of boils down to: How much do I trust corporate good will, and how much would a corporation care about the opinion of people who care about science and astronomy?”

Far better an American company is the one at the forefront of Space exploration. I sincerely doubt the Chinese or Indians care as much about "good will", in terms of debris and light pollution.

Remember that time the Chinese blew up a satellite?


This event was the largest recorded creation of space debris in history with more than 2,000 pieces of trackable size (golf ball size and larger) officially cataloged in the immediate aftermath, and an estimated 150,000 debris particles.

There's your Chinese good will.
 
Considering how much Russia wants to cut off its own version of the Internet from the rest of the world's Internet (whether it's feasible or not), I've been wondering how they'd react to their firewalled citizens being able to freely connect to Starlink? Would they jam the signal or just shoot the satellites down?

Fake news has misled you. That is not Russia's intention at all. The primary intent is to build a secondary indigenous network that can act as a backbone for Russian data activities, especially when it comes to metadata storage of user information. simply put Russian government wants to store user data on its own servers. To stop relying on foreign data farms. And this has been in the works for years. It is this national intranet that Russia has been testing the capabilities of lately.

But hypothetically, if you were opposed to these corporate run networks, then all you'd need to do is start a cascade of collisions by dispersing a few shrapnel bombs at the same altitude, the entire network of microsats would start to disintegrate. Of course why anybody would actively go out of their way to destroy free infrastructure is certainly perplexing. It's not like SpaceX could discriminate between Russian users and others using its network. It's an all or nothing proposition. Russian state can more logically use SpaceX's own network against its perceived enemies.
 
The Stage 1 Booster used in this flight performed its 4th flight, which is pretty neat. Also the faring was reused from an earlier launch, which is absolutely cool, considering the fairings cost a couple million dollars each.
 
The Stage 1 Booster used in this flight performed its 4th flight, which is pretty neat. Also the faring was reused from an earlier launch, which is absolutely cool, considering the fairings cost a couple million dollars each.
SpaceX's push for reusable components should drive down costs for the Kiwi microsatellite network. And any other future microsatellite launches.
 
SpaceX's push for reusable components should drive down costs for the Kiwi microsatellite network. And any other future microsatellite launches.
We really need to putour servers in orbit and hook them up with Starlink, so everyone can freely shitpost and read internet gossip without delay.
 
Maybe they should spend those billions on space telescopes instead. Just a thought.

SpaceX is becoming a space industry monopoly. They are launching a megaconstellation to low-Earth orbit cheaper than any competitor possibly can for at least the next decade, using beaten up Falcon 9 boosters and fairings first and fully reusable water tower Starships soon. They will get to test Starships by launching the bulk of the Starlink satellites. Then when ground based astronomy is "ruined", they offer the cheapest ride possible for space telescopes, with prices approaching $20/kg. Even random universities will be able to launch their own Hubble or JWST-sized space telescopes if they can build them cheaply.

The revenue from Starlink, which will include military and finance connectivity in addition to regular internet service, will dwarf the inconsistent space launch revenue. They can offer launches at cost and undercut the dozens of new smallsat launch companies as well as the big boys. Only China, EU, Russia, India, etc. can compete by funding their own reusable rockets, but SpaceX will be a decade ahead.
 
Maybe they should spend those billions on space telescopes instead. Just a thought.

This. These people are retards. Their shitty billion dollar arrays cant do shit on earth. They would be much better off giving the money to spaceX. If SpaceX succeeds and reduces the cost of space infrastructures, then they can just build a space telescope with one hundred times the capability
 
government: okay guys we're gonna launch another geosynrchonus secret spy satellite over our own nation

wow i love space

spacex: hey you guys want free internet?

FUCK YOU ELON I WANNA SEE THE BIG DIPPER
 
This. These people are exceptional individuals. Their shitty billion dollar arrays cant do shit on earth. They would be much better off giving the money to spaceX. If SpaceX succeeds and reduces the cost of space infrastructures, then they can just build a space telescope with one hundred times the capability

Agreed. This article is so anti-Elon. Every bit of debris in orbit up to now is the fault of state run agencies (90%+ NASA).

Hey, remember that time NASA/US military launched 1.4 MILLION needles into orbit for a stupid experiment that no one cared about?
Some of that shit is STILL floating up there.

Elon is putting shit into orbit/space. NASA is fighting for racial equity and hiring LGBTQlmnop.
No wonder NASA stated that they can't go to the moon again.

Not
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I wonder, if you painted these satellites black would they overheat in the sun? I would be unsurprised if these satellites are so reflective to save on radiator size, and therefore launch costs.

In short: Yes, very yes. There's ways to get around that, but they require you to make the thing bigger. The Pajeets' first moon probe, for example, died because they forgot about how much solar radiation it would get, which was a fairly inexcusable thing in 2008 when you can just look up the thermal figures in a book. Also, some really early satellites had white and black stripes on them to get a balance of thermal rejection and absorption without precision-mixing paint that might change in orbit.

This gets weird, of course if you're making *radiators*. Due to black body emission they're best when black. But if you're not going to 'deep space' then they often get painted white to not be solar collectors - as on the ISS.
 
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