Sperg about race realism here - So we can stop shitting up the community watch thread

[VO 163]

This is why blackfishing exists. She'd rather change her body than enter coitus with you.
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Soon all the noble aryan women will be bootylicious. Her flesh and soul are clay Because she'd rather fuck Tyrone than nevil.

She wouldn’t even have to bother changing herself to fuck Tyrone because black men hate their own women usually. There are black guys who flat out refuse to date black women and only lust after that white pussy.

 

[tuscangarder]

Clearly this happened for no reason at all, or it was because white people were mean 100 years ago. It has nothing to do with innate black behavior on an aggregate scale.

What's most hilarious to me is that spending any amount of time around niggers makes it obvious that the vast majority are stupid as fuck. It must be so distressing as a pathetic faggot liberal to have this reality brought up to you, all that cognitive dissonance giving you a panic attack. Explains the caremad responses in this thread over pretty mild claims.

Do you think only black people live in American inner-city ghettos? Northern cities are rather diverse, including a lot of whites that never fled. There's also a huge miscellaneous hispanic population. Small Asian areas, some Arabs.

I've never met a white person who was obsessed with race that was actually a happy, well functioning member of society. They are always mentally ill, socially awkward, under accomplished weirdos. No normal person sits there and fantasizes about IQ differences in racial groups. It is a sign that you have nothing tangible going on in your life that you care about. You might as well go be a tranny, I guarantee that you'd fit right in.

 

[Webby's Boyfriend]

I used to get bullied as a kid for being a racial minority. Often, ethnicity is one of the first questions I get when I met new people.

Race reeautists are retarded.

 

[Popoto]

So I was gonna add a line about how white people are scientifically proven to stink (and also produce wet, alarmingly orangey-brown earwax). Now I don't even know which thread to throw this bait to anymore.

 

[Cosmos]

I've never met a white person who was obsessed with race that was actually a happy, well functioning member of society. They are always mentally ill, socially awkward, under accomplished weirdos. No normal person sits there and fantasizes about IQ differences in racial groups. It is a sign that you have nothing tangible going on in your life that you care about. You might as well go be a tranny, I guarantee that you'd fit right in.

That's exactly it. White supremacists are lolcows. They constantly jerk themselves off about how superior whites are and how important and special they are for being white when they haven't actually accomplished much themselves. They act like the accomplishments and successes of other white people are their own just by virtue of also being white. Why bother trying to improve yourself and the world around you when you can just claim you're already better than most other people by virtue of your skin color?

If you feel the need to tell everyone you're inherently superior to everyone else just because you happened to be born in a certain group, you probably don't have much else going for you.

 

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

That's exactly it. White supremacists are lolcows. They constantly jerk themselves off about how superior whites are and how important and special they are for being white when they haven't actually accomplished much themselves. They act like the accomplishments and successes of other white people are their own just by virtue of also being white. Why bother trying to improve yourself and the world around you when you can just claim you're already better than most other people by virtue of your skin color?

If you feel the need to tell everyone you're inherently superior to everyone else just because you happened to be born in a certain group, you probably don't have much else going for you.

This is very much true.

Well, when talking about actual racial supremicists.

But the people the media calls "white supremicists" typically... aren't. Of course they definitely exist, and they definitely are morons.

 

[TerribleIdeas™]

She wouldn’t even have to bother changing herself to fuck Tyrone because black men hate their own women usually. There are black guys who flat out refuse to date black women and only lust after that white pussy.

I mean, every World Star Hiphop video gives a ton of reasons to not date black women raised in the inner city.

Anyways, IIRC, there's something like 1.2k alleles demonstrated to have direct effects on intellectual function, and I have yet to see anything tying any of those alleles to melanin content. I also know that iodine deficiencies and epigenetic pressures due to things like famine can re.tard intellectual function, and large swaths of Africa experience both of those. Meanwhile, Nigerian immigrants (in particular) do remarkably well, when they move to western countries, as do the 1st generation of children born to them.

How do we strictly, taxonomically, define genetic groupings, in order to effectively produce and explain the data? There's a difference between a population, a lineage, and an ethnicity, so there's a need to be precise that just doesn't happen, at this point.

Setting all of that shit aside, let's assume that "the niggers" are proven to actually, consistently, reproducibly, and unequivocally shown to be genetically predisposed to reduced intellectual function compared to any other genetic grouping - what then? What's the next step? I legitimately want to know what the proposed solution is, and what the thresholds for taxonomic classification are, because that's when shit is guaranteed to get especially exceptional, and I'll need lots of popcorn and beer for it.

edit fur spilling and gramma.

 

[Autocrat]

It's taboo out of (justifiable) fear that the public will hear the phrase "there are genetic components to intelligence, and certain races have genes that make them more intelligent than others" as "X race ubermensch, Y race untermensch", when in reality that would make about as much sense as splitting society along the lines of other genetic traits that correlate with intelligence (like depression or schizophrenia).

First, I don't think you should hold back the truth just because it might be misinterpreted.
Second, THAT IS NOT THE CASE.

Apparently, many anthropologists dislike even asking why some civilizations produce a a bunch of scientific and technological innovation while others produce none. This comes from literally not wanting to say one culture is better than another. It comes from the same mindset that leads to this kind of thing:

Check out the podcast at around 30 mins in.

Pardon the mild digression:

Has Sam been able to move past his habitual contempt for Trump and go back to putting on podcasts like he used to prior to 2016? I typically appreciate his perspective (and he could have been sperging about Mary Poppins for all I care about the "who" involved), but I just couldn't handle that obsessive nonsense littering topics that (should have) had little or nothing to do with Trump at all.

Has he calmed down enough to resume listening to him again, would you say?

He doesn't like Trump. It is what it is. I supported Trump in 2016, but I still find his reasons for disliking Trump valid.
He doesn't like Hillary either.

For better or worse, Sam Harris is always Sam Harris.

 

[ElAbominacion]

So I was gonna add a line about how white people are scientifically proven to stink (and also produce wet, alarmingly orangey-brown earwax). Now I don't even know which thread to throw this bait to anymore.

... Except there's that part where it says Sub-Saharan Africans stink more? The problem with race realism is that while the concept of racial superiority has been around for awhile and based on what population has control on the cultural and societal trend shifts, racial supremacy and 'nationalism' hasn't. One dates back to the 19th century, to Zionist and Aryanist scholars, the other from the post-WW2 years. White nationalism is hilariously defective in that no one two persons can agree what's actually going to be the makeup of a 'white nation'.

Let me just spoil this for you: there are epigenetic, genetic and cultural differences between, say, the Basque and the Léonese. What makes people in the Americas think people who don't even speak the same language will see each other as the same WITHOUT a complete and utterly damaging breakdown of their cultural/in-group identities?

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

First, I don't think you should hold back the truth just because it might be misinterpreted.

Ought=/=is. I am not talking about what these people should be doing or why: these tend to be useless statements anyways. I'm talking about the rationale behind what they are doing now.

Second, THAT IS NOT THE CASE.

Why? Because you say so?

Apparently, many anthropologists dislike even asking why some civilizations produce a a bunch of scientific and technological innovation while others produce none.

And yet, in the past decade it's a question anthropologists were willing to talk about to the point where it became a bestseller (Guns, Germs, and Steel). It turns out it has more to do with geography, food supply, and availability of surface metals than with simple first-order genetics.

This comes from literally not wanting to say one culture is better than another.

I find that this is because phrasing things like "X culture is better than Y culture" tends to lead to pretty repulsive things pretty quickly when the obvious question (well, what do we do about Y culture then?) arises. So quickly, in fact, that it leads one to suspect that the end goal wasn't to determine what culture is objectively "better" by whatever yardstick, but to justify doing reprehensible things to group Y.

It comes from the same mindset that leads to this kind of thing

If pulling stupid decisions from college administration (who rarely make these decisions by consulting with an actual academic, by the by) is all you need to prove a point, I could use Evergreen College to prove that picking up a book will instantly turn you into a rabid SJW.

 

[ElAbominacion]

I find that this is because phrasing things like "X culture is better than Y culture" tends to lead to pretty repulsive things pretty quickly when the obvious question (well, what do we do about Y culture then?) arises. So quickly, in fact, that it leads one to suspect that the end goal wasn't to determine what culture is objectively "better" by whatever yardstick, but to justify doing reprehensible things to group Y.

That doesn't change the fact some cultures are definitely worse than others, does it? Comparisons will always be made based on the civilizations the cultures built. If you don't think Somali culture is barbaric and lawless, I've got a bridge to sell you.

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

That doesn't change the fact some cultures are definitely worse than others, does it? Comparisons will always be made based on the civilizations the cultures built. If you don't think Somali culture is barbaric and lawless, I've got a bridge to sell you.

Certainly, it's barbaric and lawless. Now explain to me why "barbaric" and "lawless" are undesirable things in a situation where barbarism and lawlessness beat out order and civilization in terms of meeting your survival goals. I'll save you the argument; it either devolves into an infinite regression or tautology. At a certain point, you cannot reason a link between the moral world and the real world.
Also, how would you propose to "fix" Somalia?

 

[ElAbominacion]

Certainly, it's barbaric and lawless. Now explain to me why "barbaric" and "lawless" are undesirable things in a situation where barbarism and lawlessness beat out order and civilization in terms of meeting your survival goals. I'll save you the argument; it either devolves into an infinite regression or tautology. At a certain point, you cannot reason a link between the moral world and the real world.
Also, how would you propose to "fix" Somalia?

You can't fix it. You can only help those that want to be helped. Importing them into Europe sure the fuck ain't working either.

 

[Flynt's Missing Pecker]

And yet, in the past decade it's a question anthropologists were willing to talk about to the point where it became a bestseller (Guns, Germs, and Steel). It turns out it has more to do with geography, food supply, and availability of surface metals than with simple first-order genetics.

Jarred Diamond is not an anthropologist, he’s a historian and a geographer and his theories have been completely debunked.

 

[MrTickles]

There's no need for deep analysis. It's as apparent as the sea and sky.

Put a bunch of Africans into a highly developed society. The vast majority of them suck shit and cause problems.

Put a bunch of East Asians into a highly developed white society. The vast majority of them excel.

Put a bunch of Whites or East Asians into a developing society. The vast majority excel and uplift the society.

Now I'm not going to get into the north african Mediterraneans and Arabs. They're experiencing a dark age. With some stern leadership they can prosper, they did in the past.

But Africans and Amerindians are perpetual suckers. The height of native American civilization involved a monumental copper age society that practiced human sacrifice on a scale that makes the northern germanic tribes during the European dark ages seem enlightened. Maybe they could have done more if placed in a less hostile environment, but their savagery always kept them back. The savagery survives to this day in the form of some of the most murder-centric countries on earth, being held together by a thin layer of white Spanish and Portuguese descendants, mixed and otherwise.

And the height of sub Saharan African civilization involves something approaching that of pre-dynastic Egypt, before the larger pyramids were built. Oh wow Aksum built step pyramids and Mali could mine gold. Wow so fucking what.

 

[Shadfan666xxx000]

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There's no need for deep analysis. It's as apparent as the sea and sky.

Put a bunch of Africans into a highly developed society. The vast majority of them suck shit and cause problems.

Put a bunch of East Asians into a highly developed white society. The vast majority of them excel.

Put a bunch of Whites or East Asians into a developing society. The vast majority excel and uplift the society.

Now I'm not going to get into the north african Mediterraneans and Arabs. They're experiencing a dark age. With some stern leadership they can prosper, they did in the past.

But Africans and Amerindians are perpetual suckers. The height of native American civilization involved a monumental copper age society that practiced human sacrifice on a scale that makes the northern germanic tribes during the European dark ages seem enlightened. Maybe they could have done more if placed in a less hostile environment, but their savagery always kept them back. The savagery survives to this day in the form of some of the most murder-centric countries on earth, being held together by a thin layer of white Spanish and Portuguese descendants, mixed and otherwise.

And the height of sub Saharan African civilization involves something approaching that of pre-dynastic Egypt, before the larger pyramids were built. Oh wow Aksum built step pyramids and Mali could mine gold. Wow so fucking what.

Sub saharan Africa had numerous regions almost on par with Europeans when first contact was made and the slave trade began. Mali, Songhai, Ghana, Sokoto and numerous other powers were active and well developed in the region and did well until the scramble for Africa. Even today the main issue of Africa is primarily structural and cultural in nature, not necessarily to do with any inherent disability amongst the people there. As proven by AGCT scores conducted on draftees, marriage rates among the native grown black population of the USA, and the current economic climate seen in Jamaica and throughout the Caribbean besides Haiti people of African descent have potential for greater intellectual pursuit. The main issue is internal and external pressures which have yet to be corrected.

 

[Autocrat]

Ought=/=is. I am not talking about what these people should be doing or why: these tend to be useless statements anyways. I'm talking about the rationale behind what they are doing now.


Why? Because you say so?


And yet, in the past decade it's a question anthropologists were willing to talk about to the point where it became a bestseller (Guns, Germs, and Steel). It turns out it has more to do with geography, food supply, and availability of surface metals than with simple first-order genetics.


I find that this is because phrasing things like "X culture is better than Y culture" tends to lead to pretty repulsive things pretty quickly when the obvious question (well, what do we do about Y culture then?) arises. So quickly, in fact, that it leads one to suspect that the end goal wasn't to determine what culture is objectively "better" by whatever yardstick, but to justify doing reprehensible things to group Y.


If pulling stupid decisions from college administration (who rarely make these decisions by consulting with an actual academic, by the by) is all you need to prove a point, I could use Evergreen College to prove that picking up a book will instantly turn you into a rabid SJW.

Did you really just reply to a single sentence and ask say "Why? because you say so?" when I say why in the next sentence.
The book you cited came out 20 years ago. Not in the past decade. I'd assume things have changed quite a bit in the past decade, which is my point. Sam Harris and the guy being interviewed were speaking to a trope in anthropolgy, of the 'angry anthropoligist', implying that their anger was fueled by social justice and finding things problematic.

You seem to agree with the things I'm arguing against.

I find that this is because phrasing things like "X culture is better than Y culture" tends to lead to pretty repulsive things pretty quickly when the obvious question (well, what do we do about Y culture then?) arises. So quickly, in fact, that it leads one to suspect that the end goal wasn't to determine what culture is objectively "better" by whatever yardstick, but to justify doing reprehensible things to group Y

That is a fucking leap if I've ever seen one. Overall, American culture is better than African cultures. Are you denying this?
Maybe the goal should be to try and consciously improve our culture. I'd say that is a great goal. But we can't really get there because there are people like you that are too afraid to say African culture is shit.

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Also, you seem unable to remove your modern lens when looking at the past.
White people didn't see a bunch of dark skinned people and think 'gee, I want to oppress them. How can I find an excuse to do so?'
They saw a certain type of people living like savages and said 'Looks like they're savages. I guess I'll treat them like that then'
Do farms have to make up reasons to morally justify their use of cattle?

Turns out, humans are different from animals in that we can actually separate culture and race. It took us a while to realize that, but the mistake was understandable.

 

[Flynt's Missing Pecker]

As proven by AGCT scores conducted on draftees,

Excuse me?

 

[Psyduck]

Yo white girls are hot

 

[Autocrat]

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Sub saharan Africa had numerous regions almost on par with Europeans when first contact was made and the slave trade began.

Did the white man destroy all of their architecture, art, and written language?