War Antifa Is Arming Itself Against a Trump Crackdown - Will leftist pro-gun groups deter political violence or inflame it?

Warning: this piece isn't even trying to hide its leftist, pro-Antifa bias.



Liberals are notoriously loath to take their own side in a fight. But their reticence may well be changing in an age of vigilante, white nationalist terror—openly condoned and supported by an incumbent president who has suggested that his armed devotees won’t stand for his removal from office. Increasingly, the antifa left is arguing—and training—in response. They are worried not only about an armed reckoning following a contested election, but also about rising violence from the paramilitaries loyal to President Donald Trump.

Consider the tense political climate in the Pacific Northwest, where Washington state Representative Matt Shea, a dough-faced Christian dominionist from Spokane, made news last year when his instructions on how to build a “holy army” that would kill “all males” who refused to submit to biblical law leaked to the press. “Assassination to remove tyrants is just, not murder,” he wrote. The tyrant he referred to was not Trump, of course, but the communists he imagined running the government. 


Such paranoid fantasies may be familiar to heavy consumers of YouTube and Reddit, but watching them transposed on to the structures of governance is a novelty. As a result, many leftists and even some liberals are beginning to reconsider their feelings about firearms, joining a loose amalgamation of gun groups, from John Brown Gun Clubs (which take their name from the abolitionist) to the Pink Pistols (an LGBTQ group), Liberal Gun Club, and Socialist Rifle Association. Some of these organizations are moderate and traditionalist, others radical and revolutionary. But all share one implicit goal: to normalize firearms ownership and training among liberals. Some of their members hope such efforts will at least make Republicans think twice before attempting a massacre.

Whether that approach will inflame political violence—especially in hot spots like the Pacific Northwest—or deter it remains uncertain. In April, Shea spoke at an “open carry” rally in Olympia, which drewhundreds of people, many armed with AR-15s and shotguns. About ten members of the Puget Sound John Brown Gun Club were also there, handing out flyers mocking Shea and another speaker, Joey Gibson of Patriot Prayer, who, they said, “attracted and embraced” rapists, pedophiles, and skinheads. “Want to defend your community from people like Matt Shea?” one flyer asked. At the moment, the Puget Sound JBGC, which was founded less than four months after Trump took office, has around 30 active members. But its firearms safety and marksmanship workshops fill up faster every time the club hosts them. Full members undergo lengthy vetting, but anyone can come learn how guns work, what the parts are, and how to handle them safely, before going to the range and learning to shoot. “We’re talking about white liberals, mostly women, who are like ‘let’s get this class going,’” the club’s founder, Duke Aaron, said. “Two years ago these people would be like ‘Guns? This is terrible.’ That’s not the reaction now.”



these people would be like ‘Guns? This is terrible.’ That’s not the reaction now.”



Trump deserves most of the blame for this particular uptick in gun sales. In March, he told Breitbart, “I have the support of the police, the support of the military, the support of the Bikers for Trump—I have the tough people … it would be very bad, very bad,” if his followers decided to “play it tough.” In those remarks

Not all threats these days come veiled. Former Trump adviser Roger Stone has used the Proud Boys—a group of neofascist men who describe themselves as “Western chauvinists”—as his own private security force. Border militias have been conducting vigilante operations against suspected undocumented immigrants. (One vigilante told BuzzFeed in April that his group was coordinating with border protection officials on an hourly basis.) And former White House chief strategist Steve Bannon, who compared American politics in 2019 to the vitriolic climate just before the Civil War, lent his name to an Italian “gladiator school” for training “culture warriors” to defend Christianity in the West. 


Stories such as these have inspired a predictable response. The Puget Sound JBGC was founded after Aaron spotted hate graffiti in the park where his child plays. “People have some real fear about what the future holds for them, and some real fear about what lurks down the street,” he said. There is some talk of what would happen when Donald Trump or a more competent authoritarian successor bombs urban centers of resistance, like Seattle, but for the most part, these “community defense” groups are less concerned with doomsday scenarios than they are with immediate threats against mosques, synagogues, abortion clinics, and the like.

Unsurprisingly, perhaps, most of their current members are white and male. Many are veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. A third of the Socialist Rifle Association’s 2,000 members identify as LGBTQ, and 8 percent are transgender. “We’ve got liberal folks, politicians and people in the media, saying, ‘the government is becoming a fascist regime,’ and then turning around and saying, ‘You can’t have your guns, we can only have guns in the hands of people we’re calling fascists,’” said Alex Tackett, the SRA’s 22-year-old president. 


Of course, for pragmatic as well as public relations purposes, most of these groups insist that they merely want to promote gun safety. The Puget Sound JBGC vigorously rejects the term “militia,” noting that its members are instead merely seeking social justice. “Any police officer who wants to infiltrate us, best of luck; we’re incredibly boring, and everything we do is completely legal,” Aaron said.
 
What idea is that New Yorker cover trying to portray? That hip, young families are mildly surprised when they see a redneck's truck parked at a campground?

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the dude heard dueling banjos and had a flashback ...
 
I prefer the feel of paper when I'm reading, that's the only reason I prefer to get physical magazines and books despite the convenience of Kindle, e books, and pdf scans.

The word/pictures placed on stone can last over 10 thousand years.
The word/pictures placed on clay can last over 5 thousand years.
The word/pictures placed on papyrus can last over 2 thousand years.
The word/pictures placed on paper can last over 1 thousand years.
The word/pictures placed on magnetic tape type of format can last over 100 years.
The word/pictures placed on Hard drives can last 25+ or more years.
The word/pictures placed in a digital format that is technically not yours will only last as long as corporations will allow it.

It's Called DRM... a method of you being kept in the corporations Ecosystem so you can spend more money on leasing their product at hand.


It also stated that Mirco$Haft will refund those people who purchased their e-books. It also stated that those who made notes(?) will get extra credit on Microshaft's store site. Meaning... ya ain't getting your money back... just credit to be used on their store.

A real book will last you a life time and if it is good one it will be handed down to someone else. In a digital society you only lease things. Never really owing them. E-books, current video games are only viable as long as the corporations with their DRM keeps the power on for you the consumer to use.

When you are only a consumer and you believe in the company store policy... this is possibility of a bleak future.



Now with this Antifa shit. These psuedo people of various intellect are prime candidates to be the first people killed off by those hardcore socialists, whom they believe that they will be saviors. History of Tyranny always repeats themselves. What they will do is only cause more and more restrictions of freedom for the sake of.... "safety". Antifa and those aligned with them are not that big. A shitty pack mentality that has already proven their demise. Useless Cunts who are sucking air thieves of their own ideology.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muoR8Td44UE (also read the below postings on youtube as that faggot got caught)

Do you really think faggots can actually use a fire arm correctly? I think not. The only reason why this topic as come up is because it put themselves in the lime light... to say to themselves they are still relevant..

The only thing good about Antifa ass wipes are they make fucking good bitches in prison or get shanked for Rep points.
 
The word/pictures placed on stone can last over 10 thousand years.
The word/pictures placed on clay can last over 5 thousand years.
The word/pictures placed on papyrus can last over 2 thousand years.
The word/pictures placed on paper can last over 1 thousand years.
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That's why I record my thoughts on shiga wire.

Pink Pistols was started in 2000.

yep, they have been around for a long while, but I don't perceive them projecting a whole lot of power as an organization and specifically as gay pro-2a org. May be they are small, may be they are not vocal, may be they rely on the same liberal politicians who are after bans, but whatever the reason, next time there is a ban coming, I don't see them jumping into fray.


There were some pics posted in this thread of both overweight LARPers from Antifa and other side of the spectrum, flashing their yeet cannons. I just want to note that there is a crowd that doesn't like posing on camera or social sites. Those are the motherfuckers that you should be worried about. I do believe that some of them lean left.
 
More specifically, "Fudds" are the old dudes who only have guns with wooden furniture and think that's all anyone should need or have and are a detriment to actually conserving the 2nd. To them, nobody needs that newfangled black synthetic shit, and if it gets banned or restricted then oh well. They think all those gun grabbers won't come for the wooden stuff next; that grabbers wouldn't classify the old wooden 30-06 deer rifles they got from their grand pappy as a military sniper rifle that kills children from a mile away. Except they would and have (see the UK and AUS).

Yeah, nobody likes fudds. And more than a few gun owners are waiting for them to fuck off and die and take their "I own guns, but nobody needs that modern stuff" attitudes with them. That attitude is (partly) how shit like Clinton's 1994 AWB got passed.
Stubbornly imagining they don't need anything newfangled is the quintessential Achilles' heel of conservatives. The insistence on wood especially irritates me. So much new wood furniture seems to be made from trash lumber that's destined to split along the grain somewhere. There is this delusion of tradition while the actual standards of craftsmanship have plummeted so wildly that you may as well go synthetic.
 
From a practicality point I would never own one so adorned but an AR with wood furniture is a very unusual and - if done right - good looking rifle as a curiosity.
 
Fudd basically has the same negative connotations as boomer and are stereotyped as ones who don't think gun ownership outside of their good ol' .30-06 durr rifles is valid. They've consistently been the useful idiots of gun grabbers in slowly restricting scary assault weapons further. Never heard of zumbos though.
It's a reference to Jim Zumbo, who opened his mouth and talked about how hunters shouldn't use military style rifles to hunt game. Of course, there are problems with that -- namely, that one man's military rifle is another man's hunting rifle. The result was that he got blackballed from the firearm/pro-2A community.
The hilarious thing is that the Pink Pistols (started?) out as a response to the pulse nightclub shooting by a firearms trainer. The point was to be completely apolitical, and get more people to defend themselves. Nothing to do with trump or paranoia.
So I have a friend with an in on this, and got him to give me the pocket edition:
You actually had two orgs. Pink Pistols, which appeared back in 2000; and then a new, strongly LGBTQ-friendly training group called 'Operation Blazing Sword' which appeared after the Pulse shooting. The two merged a little while back. Regardless, the big push is for firearms ownership, training, and self defense.
 
The Pink Pistols lmao I want to see them square off against an army of good old boys and girls who got their first .22 when they were 10 and bagged their first deer at 12. No contest.

I got my first .22 when I was eight, thank you very much. It was just a no-brand bolt action dad found in a gun shop's second hand rack, refinished for me, and put an inexpensive low-power scope on it, but I've still got it, and it's still fairly accurate. And deer hunting is basically the national sport if you live in rural America, plus we weren't very well off growing up - we all hunted, as a family, to put meat on the table.

I'm also gay, and have been an advocate for Pink Pistols almost since the beginning, when I started carrying a handgun in college after a shooting in the apartment complex next to mine.

Most people I've met in the Pink Pistols community are more like I am than not - that is, they grew up with guns, in a gun family/community/etc, then came out as gay later on, and reconciled the (supposedly) conflicting politics of guns and gay. Not so much the larping-as-badassess types that Antifa is.

The hilarious thing is that the Pink Pistols (started?) out as a response to the pulse nightclub shooting by a firearms trainer. The point was to be completely apolitical, and get more people to defend themselves. Nothing to do with trump or paranoia.

Yeah, as pointed out, you're considerably off about the starting date. I also wouldn't say PP is exactly apolitical, so much as their politics are fairly focused. They're pro-LGBT and Pro-2A. Anything else, they aren't concerned about.

And even then, they're really more pro-2A than anything else, at least in terms of what little activism they engage in.

yep, they have been around for a long while, but I don't perceive them projecting a whole lot of power as an organization and specifically as gay pro-2a org. May be they are small, may be they are not vocal, may be they rely on the same liberal politicians who are after bans, but whatever the reason, next time there is a ban coming, I don't see them jumping into fray.

Yeah, PP really doesn't do much in the way of activism, just advocacy. The last time I recall them actually getting strongly involved in activism was back... what, five years or so ago, I guess? Back when S.374 was being pushed in the Senate, which would have made legal gun ownership for gay couples a nightmare.

That said... It's an organization with no formal roster (by design), and no membership dues. It's not the NRA, not by a long shot.
 
That said... It's an organization with no formal roster (by design), and no membership dues. It's not the NRA, not by a long shot.

I think that there are two major forces to enact political change. One is money, another is zealotry, when small group of people go all out to stir shit up and it totally works.

My experience may be different from yours, I've been to pro gun rallies. I've seen plenty of veterans in support and even some Jews in support, i.e. people publicly making the statement that as a victimized group they demand to keep the right to protect themselves. Gays ... not so much, at least not in the way of "I'm gay and I'm pro-2a", although I know some of them were gay and just part of the crowd.

Like I said before, my perception is that most gays lean left, which I understand since most liberal leaning politicians in US promote greater acceptance etc. However, it's ironic because at the extreme left, like Soviet Union (and how I think things are in China are now) gays is highly oppressed group, on par with drug addicts and criminals. I'd really hope that PPs step up and make greater effort. With outright gun ban, straight normies will have not as much too loose.


Most people I've met in the Pink Pistols community are more like I am than not - that is, they grew up with guns, in a gun family/community/etc, then came out as gay later on, and reconciled the (supposedly) conflicting politics of guns and gay. Not so much the larping-as-badassess types that Antifa is.

Believe it or not, I've met left leaning "preppers", not in Antifa.

I think that most uber-conservocucks who are virulently anti-gay are also FUDDs and as much problem as liberals are to 2a. At least in my circle, I know a few people who did not grow up with guns, got interested in them later in life after coming out as gay and logically it seems OK to me that people who did not grow up with guns become interested in them and 2a, their gayness can not prevent them.
 
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