Trump addresses government shutdown and border security


"Some have suggested a barrier is immoral. Then why do wealthy politicians build walls, fences, and gates around their homes? They don't build walls because they hate the people on the outside, but because they love the people on the inside."

build wall :wall:

I think I need to actually post an article as well so here's some shit from WSJ
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-addresses-nation-on-border-wall-as-shutdown-drags-on-11546999648
WASHINGTON—President Trump in a prime-time address Tuesday said a wall along the southern border is key to national security, as he called for lawmakers to fund it and end a partial government shutdown that is days away from becoming the longest in U.S. history.

In the televised address from the Oval Office, Mr. Trump’s first in his nearly two years as president, he said a barrier is necessary to prevent the movement of illegal drugs across the U.S.-Mexico border, and he shared stories of human trafficking.

“This is a humanitarian crisis—a crisis of the heart and a crisis of the soul,” said Mr. Trump, sitting at the Resolute Desk. “This is the cycle of human suffering that I am determined to end.”

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California and Sen. Chuck Schumer of New York, the Democratic congressional leaders, issued an immediate televised response to the president, rejecting the idea of a wall as unnecessary.

“President Trump must stop holding the American people hostage, must stop manufacturing a crisis, and must reopen the government,” Mrs. Pelosi said.

Mr. Schumer said Democrats are united with the president on the need for stronger border security, but said: “We sharply disagree with the president about the most effective way to do it.”

Earlier Tuesday, Senate Democrats blocked the chamber from considering bipartisan foreign-policy legislation in a bid to pressure Republicans to end the government shutdown, which was in its 18th day. That move, combined with Mr. Trump’s address, suggested that neither side was prepared to cede ground over wall funding.

Mr. Trump and congressional leadership from both parties are scheduled to meet and discuss the issue Wednesday at the White House, after the president attends a lunch with Senate Republicans on Capitol Hill.

Mr. Trump’s address was part of a ramped-up effort by the White House this week to sway public opinion in favor of a border wall, a core issue for Mr. Trump’s political base but one that is broadly unpopular. On Thursday, the Republican president is set to travel to the border to highlight the issue in person.

A Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll in September, ahead of midterm elections, showed 29% of respondents said they would be more likely to vote for a congressional candidate calling for a wall, while 55% said they would be less likely to do so.

In his address, Mr. Trump didn’t declare a national emergency over border security—a move he publicly contemplated in recent days—in which he would seek to divert funds from elsewhere in the government to fund the wall. Such a declaration would bring swift legal challenges, and it is unclear in that scenario where the funds would come from.

Instead, the speech was aimed at explaining the president’s rationale for why he viewed the U.S.-Mexico border as in a state of crisis.

Mr. Trump has said he wouldn’t sign any bill ending the shutdown that doesn’t allocate money for hundreds of miles of a border wall.

Earlier Tuesday evening, Senate Democrats prevented the chamber from moving to consider a package of bills aimed at boosting security assistance for Israel and other Middle Eastern policy provisions. Republicans hold 53 seats in the Senate, where most bills need 60 votes to clear procedural hurdles.

Some Democrats have said they would block all legislation until the government is reopened, though Mr. Schumer hasn’t gone that far.

“The first business of the Senate should be to reopen the government,” said Sen. Tim Kaine (D., Va.), noting that he had co-sponsored one of the bills related to Israel. “As passionate as I have been for the security of the nation of Israel, I’m every bit as passionate about the security of the United States.”

The president’s apparent backing off on declaring an emergency comes after lawmakers in both parties indicated they wouldn’t support such a move. Rep. Mac Thornberry of Texas, the top Republican on the House Armed Services Committee, said Tuesday that he opposes using an emergency declaration to build a wall using military funds.

President Trump and prominent Democrats met Friday to discuss ending the government shutdown, which the president had claimed responsibility to further the cause border security. The talks were described by the president as productive, but the Democrats disagreed. Photo: AP
“In short, I’m opposed to using defense dollars for nondefense purposes,” he said.

Senior White House adviser Kellyanne Conway said in a Fox News interview Monday that the White House Counsel’s Office was exploring the legal implications of declaring a national emergency, but said doing so would “let Congress off the hook.”

In preparation for Tuesday’s speech, White House officials were underscoring the importance of internally fact-checking any numbers and statistics, after the president and his aides have repeatedly mischaracterized immigration-related figures in recent weeks. “It’s really important we get this right,” one senior White House official said.

The president has made points about problems with drugs and human trafficking at the border publicly in the past week. Last week, he told cabinet members that 300 people in the U.S. die each day from overdoses of heroin, “the vast majority of which comes across through our southern border.” The federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said the epidemic of daily opioid deaths is 130.

Mr. Trump also has said 20,000 children were smuggled into the U.S. last month. There were 25,000 families apprehended at the border in November, according to the most recent data available from U.S. Customs and Border Protection.

During closed-door negotiations on reopening the government, Mrs. Pelosi has disputed some White House aides’ statistics about the border. On Sunday, White House press secretary Sarah Sanders was challenged on Fox News for saying 4,000 known or suspected terrorists have been apprehended coming into the country.

“Do you know where those 4,000 people come, where they are captured?” Chris Wallace, the host of “Fox News Sunday,” told Ms. Sanders. “Airports … the State Department says there hasn’t been any terrorists found coming across the southern border.” Mr. Wallace was referring to data from the Department of Homeland Security.

Ms. Conway, in the Fox News interview, said that statistic “got unfortunately conflated by a colleague” and acknowledged that the nearly 4,000 terrorists or terror suspects apprehended in fiscal year 2017 hadn’t sought to enter the U.S. through the southern border.

The administration has sought in recent days to blunt the impact of the shutdown, buying time as negotiations with Congress continue. On Monday, the Trump administration said the Internal Revenue Service would pay tax refunds even though the agency is closed, reversing a longstanding policy.

About 420,000 employees deemed essential are working without pay, while another 380,000 federal employees have been placed on unpaid leave. The shutdown became the second-longest on record Monday. By Saturday, if the government hasn’t reopened, the shutdown will become the longest in U.S. history.
 
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You shouldn't buy into that because they all sell themselves that way. Trump is the guy for middle america who tells it like it is. Obama was "yes we can" and the first black president. Bush was the down-home boy you could have a beer with. Clinton was the real first black president, and so on. Every candidate is the washington outsider who is finally going to shake things up, every 4 years. It's no different than hollywood telling you this sequel will be darker and edgier every year.
Trump is legitimately different though.

I don't see him reneging or overly compromising on all his campaign promises like most other career politicians.
 
No, I don't think the difference is all that significant. Admittedly, I don't know what getting a US travel visa entails, but I've traveled to foreign countries and gotten visas and they've done zero background checks.

England, Canada, Russia and Uzbekistan, none of them gave a fuck. If I turned exceptional and for some reason, wanted to vanish in one of those countries, I easily could've done it.

I know US Visas require background checks, they happen automatically and if you pass then you are asked for your passport for confirmation. Reading through others experiences say it's the same for them in most other countries.
 
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You can't tell me you seriously believed that? Most of the people I know who are saying, "but I thought Mexico was going to pay!" are being sarcastic.

And the idea that he was really going to lock Hilary up is a joke. No, she's not the most ethical person on earth, but she's not exactly Boss Tweed either. It's also not a good precedent to set.

Politics is a dirty, dirty business.

lol, no I've never believed in the wall or any of the conspiracy Qanon bullshit

a lot of people on here did, though. I've met an incredible amount of mental gymnasts attempting to justify every step of this wall effort and the blatant lying that came with it—makes it obvious that deprogramming is going to be necessary when the pres is gone, otherwise these legitimate cultists might just kill themselves or others over some transparent steel
 
lol, no I've never believed in the wall or any of the conspiracy Qanon bullshit

a lot of people on here did, though. I've met an incredible amount of mental gymnasts attempting to justify every step of this wall effort and the blatant lying that came with it—makes it obvious that deprogramming is going to be necessary when the pres is gone, otherwise these legitimate cultists might just kill themselves or others over some transparent steel
This is shit bait.
 
Hillary Clinton is a criminal but it would pointless to charge her not only for the reasons mentioned already but also her attorneys would delay it so far that she will be cold in the ground before it ever goes to trial. I think most people think she is corrupt, as evidence of her losing an election to someone who has never held political office.
Also you just plain can't lock up a personification of evil.
 
No, I don't think the difference is all that significant. Admittedly, I don't know what getting a US travel visa entails, but I've traveled to foreign countries and gotten visas and they've done zero background checks.

England, Canada, Russia and Uzbekistan, none of them gave a fuck. If I turned exceptional and for some reason, wanted to vanish in one of those countries, I easily could've done it.
I don't know about the travel visa, but for the fiance visa they put us under the microscope. She also had to submit police records from every country she lived in. Travel visa was denied because she wasn't rich enough and didn't own enough personal assets, so was flagged as a possible overstayer.

Also doesn't help Romania is a little too far east.

I don't know if there would be additional background checks after the initial qualification, but we do screen some countries harder than others, whereas traveling with a US passport is one of the easiest ever.
 
I wish people would stop saying this as if it was a bad thing.
What about her, apparently? She's inexperienced with politics and that's a bad thing, no?

And the idea that he was really going to lock Hilary up is a joke. No, she's not the most ethical person on earth, but she's not exactly Boss Tweed either. It's also not a good precedent to set.

Politics is a dirty, dirty business.

Nice reference. I think anybody who supported Hillary or Trump shouldn't really play the morality card. I agree.
 
What about her, apparently? She's inexperienced with politics and that's a bad thing, no?

AOC's lack of qualifications/inexperience in politics isn't what most people consider bad about her, her retarded hot takes and meme politics are.
 
What about her, apparently? She's inexperienced with politics and that's a bad thing, no?

Well Trump has 40 years of international business experience and a Degree in Economics, I'd be happy to support any candidate that has something tangible to make up for a lack of political experience (although some would say a lack of political experience is a plus, since they are supposed to represent the people, not pretend to be a person).
 
What about her, apparently? She's inexperienced with politics and that's a bad thing, no?



Nice reference. I think anybody who supported Hillary or Trump shouldn't really play the morality card. I agree.
Alexandria Ocasio Cortez has many flaws, but that's not really one of them.

The existence of a dedicated political class is a stain upon this country. Politician should not be a career. Ideally everyone in office should have had most of their experience elsewhere.
 
Alexandria Ocasio Cortez has many flaws, but that's not really one of them.

The existence of a dedicated political class is a stain upon this country. Politician should not be a career. Ideally everyone in office should have had most of their experience elsewhere.

I retract my original statement then. I thought most of everybody on this site bagged on her for her lack of experience as a politician. Hell, most of everybody on this thread has decent ideas of this immigration problem than current politicians.
 
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