Disaster Net neutrality is officially dead (June 11 deadline passed)

Monday, June 11, is the first day of the post-net neutrality internet. In December, the Federal Communications Commission voted to repeal the Obama-era rules that prohibit internet companies from slowing down or speeding up access to certain websites, but it took about six months for the repeal to get a sign-off from the Office of Management and Budget and for the new rules to be published in the federal register. Beginning, well, now, your internet access could—emphasis on could—feel dramatically different than it did yesterday.

Under the new network neutrality rules, internet service providers like Comcast, Verizon, and AT&T are allowed to throttle traffic that travels over their network or even block access to entire websites as long as the companies alert their subscribers in their terms of service that they reserve the right to do so. But since most people in the United States don’t have more than one or two internet providers to choose from for broadband service, that means if users don’t wish to accept those terms, many won’t have anywhere else to go for their internet. Without net neutrality rules stopping them, internet providers will also be able to charge websites a fee to reach users faster.

Those internet providers stand to win the most from the net neutrality repeal, since they’ll be able to operate what is essentially a two-way toll, collecting money from both subscribers and websites that want priority access to users. Already-powerful, deep-pocketed companies that can afford to pay for the fast-lane service, like Facebook or Yelp could wind up in a position to set the price, relegating smaller companies, nonprofits, or struggling news organizations to what is, in effect, a slower internet.

The FCC’s move to rescind the Obama-era open internet protections, however, is facing serious challenges, both from multiple lawsuits expected to be filed in the coming days against the repeal, as well as from Congress, where Democratic lawmakers have led an effort to undo the FCC’s actions. In May, every Senate Democrat and three Republicans—Sens. Susan Collins of Maine, John Kennedy of Louisiana, and Lisa Murkowski of Alaska— voted to reverse the net neutrality repeal with a Congressional Review Act resolution, which is used to overturn or eliminate a federal agency’s action. Congressional Republicans have used the same process to reverse more than a dozen regulatory actions since Donald Trump won the election in 2016—but those were rules passed under President Obama. In order for the resolution to go into effect, a simple majority in the House also has to vote to undo the repeal, and President Trump has to sign it. But in the House, Republicans outnumber Democrats 235-193, meaning more than 20 Republicans would have to get on board if every Democrat voted in favor.

Advocacy organizations that opposed the net neutrality repeal, like the National Hispanic Media Coalition and Free Press, are also planning to sue, as well as a coalition of 22 states attorney general, over what they claim was a corrupt rulemaking process in the months leading up to the final vote. Although more than 23 million comments were submitted on the net neutrality repeal, the overwhelming majority of which were in favor of keeping the open internet regulations—many of those comments were faked, submitted using stolen identities and the names of dead people, or filed by bots, not people. Hundreds of thousands of comments were filed using Russian email addresses, which were mostly in favor of rescinding the internet rules. The FCC’s online public input system was even hit last year by a mysterious cyberattack, which is currently the subject of an ongoing federal investigation. The FCC is required by law to hold a fair process for collecting feedback from the public when passing major new regulations, which the agency’s nonelected commissioners are supposed to use to inform the writing of new rules and help ensure the agency is acting in the interest of the public. But with so many problems with the comment process, those planning to sue the FCC may have a strong case that the agency’s push to undo the net neutrality protections wasn’t above-board.

Still, just because the FCC is going to get sued doesn’t mean a judge will issue an injunction, and in the interim, internet providers will be able to throttle traffic and block access to websites as they wish. While it’s unlikely internet providers are going to significantly change your internet experience overnight or in any overt way anytime soon, companies may well start to toy with connection speeds in more elusive ways. If Comcast, for example, makes a special deal to speed up their customers’ access to Netflix, that change in load times may be subtle. But it will still give Neflix an added boost over a competitor like Hulu, inspiring its subscribers to jump ship. If the New York Times loads faster than your local newspaper’s website, it may be a reason for you to stop checking in on its hometown reporting. If Yelp always loads even just a little faster than your favorite restaurants’ websites tend to, those local businesses could see such a dip in traffic that they eventually decide to abandon their private website all together and host everything on Yelp. But at first, users might not notice what’s happening, allowing internet providers to make the argument that an internet without network neutrality isn’t as a big deal as some advocates have made it out to be.

These examples may be the worst-case scenario for what might happen in the near future, but they’re by no means as bad as it could get. Take what happened in one particularly egregious scenario in Canada in 2005, when the telecom Telus blocked access to a union website that promoted a labor strike against the internet provider. Then there was what happened in 2012 in the U.S., when AT&T announced it would block U.S. users’ access to FaceTime on iPhonesunless they paid for a higher data plan; the company reversed course after consumer advocates sent complaints to the FCC. With the new FCC rules, though, internet providers companies will be able to do any of these things as long as they say they might in their terms of service.

The internet is already massively concentrated, with just a few platforms commanding the majority of people’s time online. Once those entrenched powers can start to set the price for priority service, they stand to become even more powerful. Those smaller websites that are taking longer to load may slowly start to disappear too, and the great promise of the internet—that there’s no telling what someone might create next—may become an even more distant dream.

So be on the lookout Monday and over the next few weeks for notices from your internet service provider with changes to your terms of service. If you get an email from Comcast saying it’s updated its policies, don’t immediately delete it. Take a look: Nestled inside may well be the first strikes against net neutrality. But the fight to bring the internet rules back from the dead is still ongoing. In order for those working for a more open internet to have any chance at success, users are going to have to continue to care and speak out about why open internet protections matter to them—even, perhaps especially, if it’s not immediately clear anything has changed.

https://slate.com/technology/2018/0...lly-dead-heres-how-youll-notice-its-gone.html

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-repealed-today-heres-what-that-really-means/
 
To actually have competition, the feds would have to subsidize other ISPs to break into the local markets, while at the same time overriding states that have banned municipal ISPs and thrown up other monopoly-protecting legislation. It can argued that states can't regulate the internet, as it's interstate commerce, but to my knowledge, the finer points have never been settled in court.
 
To actually have competition, the feds would have to subsidize other ISPs to break into the local markets, while at the same time overriding states that have banned municipal ISPs and thrown up other monopoly-protecting legislation. It can argued that states can't regulate the internet, as it's interstate commerce, but to my knowledge, the finer points have never been settled in court.
I already mentioned Bell telephones in this regard and how poorly that went. That was a true free market monopoly and it was kicked and guess who suffered the most? The consumer. MCI (tied deeply into those who pushed the break up) made a shit ton of money out of it.

The issue really isn't NN at all but the fact we had a manipulated market come and monopolize on us, and now our options are bull shit gov regs, or the gov paying to unfuck us the situation it drove us to. When if you don't put your dick in the market to start we'd all be shit posting freely happier faster for less money.
 
If you think the same body that allowed no other ISPs should be allowed to choose what content, I really don't know how to expand on the hypocritical behavior of it.

A net neutrality law wouldn't allow the FCC to pick and choose what they want to be delivered or censored, it would ensure they couldn't, which is what their job already is anyway.

who said they are allowed to monopolize?

Hmmm.

No, that is exact opposite of what happened. The government loosened up regulations to allow more competition for the internet service provision market in 1996, & it resulted in growth for only the larger companies, who then cannibalized competitors to give themselves a monopoly.

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The idea behind the 1996 Telecommunications Act was simple enough. While cable and telecom had initially been kept very separate throughout the US due to differing products and platforms, broadband internet was not unique to either coaxial cable or telephone lines [34]. Cable, using the DOCSIS protocol was able to offer high speed broadband access, and telephone companies, using DSL were able to offer a similar product. High prices and differing regulatory frameworks for cable (which since 1984 had been fairly deregulated) and DSL (which was subject to common-carrier regulations as an extension of a telephone product) gave the appearance of little competition and burdensome government regulation. The proposed solution was to remove the regulations in place preventing cable companies to compete with phone companies and phone companies to compete with cable companies [21].

It was a given that if only cable companies could compete with telephone companies, cable would be forced to lower its prices and telephone would be able to offer sufficient broadband connections over DSL. New broadband suppliers would enter markets, and without exclusive franchise agreements, cable companies could compete for turf along with DSL. Competition would be abound, and the deregulated frameworks would allow the competitive market forces to regulate price controls instead of burdensome regulations [27]. This all turned out to be completely false. Just like the assumption in 1984 that local broadcasters would provide adequate competition was untrue, the assumption that DSL could provide adequate competition for cable was untrue [21]. Not only was DSL’s lesser technology not able to effectively compete with cable, but high barriers to entry in the now “non-franchised” markets prevented new cable entrants from competing with the entrenched cable companies. Simply ending exclusive franchises without other measures still gave the original company a competitive edge. But the problems didn’t end there.

In 1997, during what became known as the “Summer of Love,” the largest cable companies that had effectively bought out the entire US cable market simply divvied up territory. It was in none of their interests to compete for “turf” in individual markets, so the largest cable companies (TCI, Comcast, and a few others) simply assigned territory [11]. Furthermore, the largest telecom companies began merging in an effort to maintain territory and carve out the communications market. SBC merged with AT&T, while MCI merged with Verizon [11]. Instead of fostering competition, the 1996 Telecommunications Act simply allowed the largest players to increase market share and push out newcomers through hostile takeovers or other anticompetitive practices. Furthermore, just like the result of the 1984 cable deregulation, the lack of true competition caused prices to skyrocket.
 
Ok let's skip that point, aside since we aren't still on the basic topic, you are saying the gov can't enforce it's own rules, so why does NN matter? Again everyone is looking at the reaction not the cause.

If the net and freedom of speech etc matters, and it's deregulated as claimed, why are there no new start ups? Because there is a law saying so. So the same group that said, no rules then sets rules and then you say, well we totally are gonna be ok if they say you can shit post online, that part we can trust them on.

Is anyone seeing I'm trying to make people step back past just NN here ?
 
If the net and freedom of speech etc matters, and it's deregulated as claimed, why are there no new start ups?

Because starting a new internet service provision company is insanely expensive & difficult.

Because there is a law saying so.

No, there is not.

you are saying the gov can't enforce it's own rules, so why does NN matter?

I never said the government couldn't enforce their own rules.
 
Because starting a new internet service provision company is insanely expensive & difficult.



No, there is not.
New airlines start, and you are now saying I can open bassomatic's ISP?

So, what you are saying, there's a new growing market about to show up and no one will touch it? I highly find this not making sense.
 
So, what you are saying, there's a new growing market about to show up and no one will touch it? I highly find this not making sense.

Net Neutrality never prevented growth in the market, deregulated monopolies that ballooned into even bigger monopolies prevented growth in the market, unless you just count the growth of the monopolies themselves.

Google could not pull it off. Who in the world has better chances at succeeding as an ISP than fucking Google?

and you are now saying I can open bassomatic's ISP?

Go ahead and try, see how much money it takes.
 
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While I generally agree ending NN is bad, it's supposed to be even worse for troons:

https://www.them.us/story/without-net-neutrality-i-would-not-be-trans
If it hadn't been for the world wide web, I may have never realized I'm trans. And even if I did find out, I would have known next to nothing about how to transition. Without net neutrality, there wouldn't have been a world wide web in the first place. And without the collective of trans people like me who've managed to discover ourselves, who've managed to organize, who've managed to fight for our rights, mostly through connecting and getting together online, the trans rights movement could not exist in its current form. It would be weaker, less sustained, less populated with a diversity of voices. It's possible, even likely, that without net neutrality, the current trans movement in America wouldn't exist at all.

For trans people and their loved ones who have navigated gender transition in the current age of increased trans awareness, it's hard to imagine what it was like trying to find resources online in 2000, when stirrings about my own dissatisfaction with my gender first entered my consciousness. There was no social media then, no Facebook groups, not even Myspace or Friendster. Sitting in my bedroom where I thought of myself as a gay man, a web search on Altavista led me to a website and chat room called TGForum.

I didn't personally know any trans women before TGForum. I'd read articles and seen talk show episodes, so I knew about women like Caroline Cossey, Christine Jorgensen, and Renée Richards, all of them describing how they've felt they were meant to be a girl since they were kids, that this feeling had tortured them most of their lives.

But I never had that sense of thwarted destiny, nor did I wake up from nightmares that I had a male body and to the bigger nightmare that I actually did. I was okay, just dissatisfied in a way I couldn't name — like a bud in the dark, unaware that there was light, or that there were even such things as flowers.

When I spoke to actual trans women in TGForum, I learned that many of them didn't think or feel the way I thought they were supposed to. There were those who'd lived for years as women but didn't want reassignment surgery; those who shacked up with other trans women; those who lived their entire lives post-transition without anyone knowing, even their own husbands. And even if I wasn't like many of them, the fact that so many kinds existed meant that maybe I could exist too.

It was a self-identified shemale named Stacy who advised me over chat that, whatever I felt about myself or my identity, I needed to tell one “approved” story to get past the medical gatekeepers for hormones, testosterone blockers, or any kind of surgery. Being transgender, like being gay before it, was still defined as a mental illness by the American Psychiatric Association in 2000. We couldn't get trans-related medical care unless we agreed we had a disease that needed to be cured, and that our only desire was to look and act like “normal” women — not like Stacy who got breast implants but had no intention of losing her penis.

It was a girl named Gwen, pretty with auburn hair and an oval face in her avatar picture, who gave me pointers on how to be more femme for my therapist interview, and encouraged me by telling me I was beautiful enough to go stealth like her, whose own boyfriend didn't know she was trans. She taught me to look and act like a GG — that's what we called cis women back then, genetic girls — and walk into that therapist's office looking as passable as possible, because that was the only way he would write me an approval letter, my ticket out of no-hormones jail.


Another woman, whose name I no longer remember, told me about the one DMV in a Massachusetts suburb — 45-minutes from Boston where I lived — that granted gender-marker changes on state-issued IDs without reassignment surgery. Yet another pointed me to Transsexual Roadmap, which was how I charted my course through transition, from getting contact information for my therapist to picking the Thai surgeon who performed my reassignment surgery. It was because of these women online and the road they paved that I was able to get out of a cage I didn’t even know I inhabited, and yet I’ve never met any of them in person.

But TGForum, Transsexual Roadmap, and other invaluable online trans resources could never have existed in a world without net neutrality — or if they did, they would have only been available to people who paid their monthly subscription fee to the internet service providers that chose to carry them, and only if they were lucky.
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To imagine a world without net neutrality, it’s useful to remember the early internet. By the time I got an AOL account around 1998, the web existed, but it was chaotic and disarrayed, and many users preferred the fancy, private “walled gardens” of services like AOL, which had rich interactivity and complex design at a time when provider-neutral web pages were capable of little more than plain text and low-fi images. The capabilities of the web were improving, gradually, but what its main advantage was freedom: anybody could build a web page, whereas AOL exerted strict control over who was allowed to say what on their service.

AOL might not have liked the web’s rapid growth — but if they didn’t give their users access to it, you could always switch to a competitor who did. Whatever service provider you used, you connected to them with a modem, over a telephone line — and the phone company didn’t care what service you used. In fact, the lawsaid they weren’t allowed to care. And so, competition among service providers allowed the nascent web to thrive, despite containing subversive content that many would prefer to cover up.

But these days, the lines into our homes are owned by the ISPs themselves, not a neutral provider like the phone company. And last week, the FCC said that these ISPs are not held to the neutrality standards of the phone companies. Most Americans are only served by one ISP, so if yours decides not to grant you access to a service — whether because it competes with a service they offer, or because they decide it violates their ethics — there’s not much you can do about it.

At a time when being transgender was considered a mental illness not just by the medical establishment but by broader society, what might service providers have done with web pages that questioned that establishment? Or with discussions that encouraged people to take actions that were then not only considered irresponsible but potentially illegal, in order for trans people like me to receive medical care and legal recognition?

I was able to get hormones without a "real life test,” the waiting period of at least a year that trans people were typically forced to undertake in order to begin medical transition. I obtained a state ID and so was able to present identification without risking harassment before surgery, a legal requirement in Massachusetts, my home state at the time. I obtained insurance coverage for hormones and testosterone-blockers because my trans-affirming doctor only because classified me as having an endocrine condition, since I would have been denied coverage had he specified I was trans. I obtained information on how to find the people who would take these unsanctioned and potentially illegal actions for me, and knew how to persuade them to take those actions, because of information I found on the world wide web, a web that wouldn't have existed, and wouldn't exist today, without net neutrality.


Given the environment around transgender issues in 2000, I highly doubt that the corporations who would have fully controlled the internet would've allowed this information to circulate in their walled gardens. And without this information, I would have never had the resources to transition, nor would have many others in my position, who as our numbers grew were able to coalesce into a movement, buoyed by the internet, so that we ourselves got to be the models for others who didn’t recognize they were trans until they interacted with us. Sure, maybe if the web didn’t exist, I would have seen myself in another trans person eventually and still transitioned. But just as likely, I would have never met such a person, and I wouldn’t consider myself trans today, even when this understanding of my gender became a fundamental part of my identity as soon as I was able to name it.

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Apart from corporate greed, I wouldn't be surprised if this desire to prevent people like me to realize who we are is a motivating factor in the FCC’s decision to end net neutrality. There are many people in America, especially those sympathetic to the current government, who would rather that people like me not exist: people who grew to understand ourselves apart from the social norms that have been imposed upon us; people who fight to be who we are and be true to ourselves. Because it costs so much for us to reveal ourselves in public, it has been the free Internet that has allowed us to congregate and organize, to share information freely and support each other through the difficult times. And in turn, our existence in larger numbers has led to the widespread recognition that our lives must be protected, that our place within the LGBTQ+ rights movement must remain secure.

I would not be here without the online friends and resources I found on the open web, who allowed me to discover myself, and gave me the courage to act upon that discovery. If the challenges to the FCC decision fail, I will only have one choice of internet provider where I currently live, and if that provider chooses to censor queer content or anything else it finds objectionable, I would have little recourse. This might seem far-fetched until we remember that only yesterday, the Trump administration banned “transgender” along with six other words from Centers for Disease Control documents, as well as those of other agencies, including the State Department. In a country where the government itself endorses authoritarian censorship, the possibility that corporations may use this power to censor ideas they object to doesn’t seem so remote.

As I and other queer people continue to grow into our identities and our lives, I wonder how a world without net neutrality would affect new generations of queer folks and other marginalized groups. Because of the free internet, we’ve been able to more fully understand ourselves and our motivations, the ways we want to conduct our sex and romantic lives, the relationships of our minds to what society considers normal, and the intersections between our identities and orientations.

That process continues, for me and so many others, yet the government’s threat — to snuff out the light of information that net neutrality enables — means that many of us may lose the nourishment of that light, in ways that are impossible envision. Yet it’s clear to me that without neutrality, there will certainly be queer people — whose queerness may not even be recognizable to us as queer today — who will never find the light they need to flower. But I will not mourn those who might spend their lives unnourished by the light of information a free internet provides. Instead I resolve to fight, as I hope the broad swath of LGBTQ+ people will too, so that net neutrality can continue to be a source of nourishment and freedom not just for trans or queer people, but for every single person in America, especially those who have yet to discover who they are.
Wtf I love the end of NN now
( :late: af I know)
 
Net Neutrality never prevented growth in the market, deregulated monopolies that ballooned into even bigger monopolies prevented growth in the market, unless you just count the growth of the monopolies themselves.

Google could not pull it off. Who in the world has better chances at succeeding as an ISP than fucking Google?



Go ahead and try, see how much money it takes.
The market changing may now make it worth while.

Are you implying airlines are cheap? Aside the tax payers funding it, look at Space X. If there is money in it people will fund it. It's amazing you are willing to turn a blind eye that no one wants to make money off the internet, when we have people building rockets for god's sake.
 
Are you implying airlines are cheap? Aside the tax payers funding it, look at Space X. If there is money in it people will fund it. It's amazing you are willing to turn a blind eye that no one wants to make money off the internet, when we have people building rockets for god's sake.

Then what prevented Google from doing it, when they themselves are Net Neutrality advocates?
 
You are a smart guy, so why are you more worried about this regulation than the regulation that allowed the monopolies that were then able to grow enough power? At VERY least that's what I've been trying to make the people think about, people worried about NN dying are more worried about a dragon's toe nail than the fire breathing dragon to start.
Shitty monopolies aside, I think it's just the nature of the beast. The last mile problem is huge. There's also shit like utility pole rates limiting one's ability to actually get the wire to people's houses.
 
Then what prevented Google from doing it, when they themselves are Net Neutrality advocates?
I don't know much about it so I won't comment on that.

Kinda amazing someone isn't going to let their hubris take over in this day and age eh? If you'd like I'd be happy to read up on it and reply at a later time, but maybe someone else could chime in.

I do find is suspect cost being the sole reason though.
 
No, that is exact opposite of what happened. The government loosened up regulations to allow more competition for the internet service provision market in 1996, & it resulted in growth for only the larger companies, who then cannibalized competitors to give themselves a monopoly.

Note this specific part of what you cited:

but high barriers to entry in the now “non-franchised” markets prevented new cable entrants from competing with the entrenched cable companies. Simply ending exclusive franchises without other measures still gave the original company a competitive edge.

What do you think those barriers of entry are exactly? It certainly isn't a necessary amount of capital or investment, its government itself.

https://www.wired.com/2013/07/we-ne...-government-for-dismal-broadband-competition/

TL:biggrin:R: Local governments charge out the ass for use of public land and infrastructure because they can, and also because they have kickback deals with already existing companies.
 
Note this specific part of what you cited:

but high barriers to entry in the now “non-franchised” markets prevented new cable entrants from competing with the entrenched cable companies. Simply ending exclusive franchises without other measures still gave the original company a competitive edge.

What do you think those barriers of entry are exactly? It certainly isn't a necessary amount of capital or investment, its government itself.

https://www.wired.com/2013/07/we-ne...-government-for-dismal-broadband-competition/

TL:biggrin:R: Local governments charge out the ass for use of public land and infrastructure because they can, and also because they have kickback deals with already existing companies.

What does local government pre-deployment policies have to do with the Telecommunications Act of 1996, a federal law that allowed for media cross-ownership? Those aren't the barriers the act brought down, it allowed phone companies to participate equally with cable companies in servicing internet.
 
Those aren't the barriers the act brought down, it allowed phone companies to participate equally with cable companies in servicing internet.
Exactly, the bill allowed for deregulation only in areas which specifically benefited already-existing megacompanies, but not in areas which would allow smaller companies to expand. Creating a system where small players are artificially strangulated isn't an industry-wide deregulation, its selective deregulation at best.
 
Since the '70s, to be more accurate.
Yup. People who think NN was something Obama cooked up apparently don't remember the Bush years when we did this previously. They had a chance to break up the monopolies then and introduce real competition, but opted not to. Now, the ISPs are so entrenched, it will be very difficult to take them on. Not impossible. But harder than it needs to be.
 
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