Disaster Net neutrality is officially dead (June 11 deadline passed)

Monday, June 11, is the first day of the post-net neutrality internet. In December, the Federal Communications Commission voted to repeal the Obama-era rules that prohibit internet companies from slowing down or speeding up access to certain websites, but it took about six months for the repeal to get a sign-off from the Office of Management and Budget and for the new rules to be published in the federal register. Beginning, well, now, your internet access could—emphasis on could—feel dramatically different than it did yesterday.

Under the new network neutrality rules, internet service providers like Comcast, Verizon, and AT&T are allowed to throttle traffic that travels over their network or even block access to entire websites as long as the companies alert their subscribers in their terms of service that they reserve the right to do so. But since most people in the United States don’t have more than one or two internet providers to choose from for broadband service, that means if users don’t wish to accept those terms, many won’t have anywhere else to go for their internet. Without net neutrality rules stopping them, internet providers will also be able to charge websites a fee to reach users faster.

Those internet providers stand to win the most from the net neutrality repeal, since they’ll be able to operate what is essentially a two-way toll, collecting money from both subscribers and websites that want priority access to users. Already-powerful, deep-pocketed companies that can afford to pay for the fast-lane service, like Facebook or Yelp could wind up in a position to set the price, relegating smaller companies, nonprofits, or struggling news organizations to what is, in effect, a slower internet.

The FCC’s move to rescind the Obama-era open internet protections, however, is facing serious challenges, both from multiple lawsuits expected to be filed in the coming days against the repeal, as well as from Congress, where Democratic lawmakers have led an effort to undo the FCC’s actions. In May, every Senate Democrat and three Republicans—Sens. Susan Collins of Maine, John Kennedy of Louisiana, and Lisa Murkowski of Alaska— voted to reverse the net neutrality repeal with a Congressional Review Act resolution, which is used to overturn or eliminate a federal agency’s action. Congressional Republicans have used the same process to reverse more than a dozen regulatory actions since Donald Trump won the election in 2016—but those were rules passed under President Obama. In order for the resolution to go into effect, a simple majority in the House also has to vote to undo the repeal, and President Trump has to sign it. But in the House, Republicans outnumber Democrats 235-193, meaning more than 20 Republicans would have to get on board if every Democrat voted in favor.

Advocacy organizations that opposed the net neutrality repeal, like the National Hispanic Media Coalition and Free Press, are also planning to sue, as well as a coalition of 22 states attorney general, over what they claim was a corrupt rulemaking process in the months leading up to the final vote. Although more than 23 million comments were submitted on the net neutrality repeal, the overwhelming majority of which were in favor of keeping the open internet regulations—many of those comments were faked, submitted using stolen identities and the names of dead people, or filed by bots, not people. Hundreds of thousands of comments were filed using Russian email addresses, which were mostly in favor of rescinding the internet rules. The FCC’s online public input system was even hit last year by a mysterious cyberattack, which is currently the subject of an ongoing federal investigation. The FCC is required by law to hold a fair process for collecting feedback from the public when passing major new regulations, which the agency’s nonelected commissioners are supposed to use to inform the writing of new rules and help ensure the agency is acting in the interest of the public. But with so many problems with the comment process, those planning to sue the FCC may have a strong case that the agency’s push to undo the net neutrality protections wasn’t above-board.

Still, just because the FCC is going to get sued doesn’t mean a judge will issue an injunction, and in the interim, internet providers will be able to throttle traffic and block access to websites as they wish. While it’s unlikely internet providers are going to significantly change your internet experience overnight or in any overt way anytime soon, companies may well start to toy with connection speeds in more elusive ways. If Comcast, for example, makes a special deal to speed up their customers’ access to Netflix, that change in load times may be subtle. But it will still give Neflix an added boost over a competitor like Hulu, inspiring its subscribers to jump ship. If the New York Times loads faster than your local newspaper’s website, it may be a reason for you to stop checking in on its hometown reporting. If Yelp always loads even just a little faster than your favorite restaurants’ websites tend to, those local businesses could see such a dip in traffic that they eventually decide to abandon their private website all together and host everything on Yelp. But at first, users might not notice what’s happening, allowing internet providers to make the argument that an internet without network neutrality isn’t as a big deal as some advocates have made it out to be.

These examples may be the worst-case scenario for what might happen in the near future, but they’re by no means as bad as it could get. Take what happened in one particularly egregious scenario in Canada in 2005, when the telecom Telus blocked access to a union website that promoted a labor strike against the internet provider. Then there was what happened in 2012 in the U.S., when AT&T announced it would block U.S. users’ access to FaceTime on iPhonesunless they paid for a higher data plan; the company reversed course after consumer advocates sent complaints to the FCC. With the new FCC rules, though, internet providers companies will be able to do any of these things as long as they say they might in their terms of service.

The internet is already massively concentrated, with just a few platforms commanding the majority of people’s time online. Once those entrenched powers can start to set the price for priority service, they stand to become even more powerful. Those smaller websites that are taking longer to load may slowly start to disappear too, and the great promise of the internet—that there’s no telling what someone might create next—may become an even more distant dream.

So be on the lookout Monday and over the next few weeks for notices from your internet service provider with changes to your terms of service. If you get an email from Comcast saying it’s updated its policies, don’t immediately delete it. Take a look: Nestled inside may well be the first strikes against net neutrality. But the fight to bring the internet rules back from the dead is still ongoing. In order for those working for a more open internet to have any chance at success, users are going to have to continue to care and speak out about why open internet protections matter to them—even, perhaps especially, if it’s not immediately clear anything has changed.

https://slate.com/technology/2018/0...lly-dead-heres-how-youll-notice-its-gone.html

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-repealed-today-heres-what-that-really-means/
 
It's hard to force an anti trust law when the gov also says, oh yeah it's ok you can monopolize on things.
Yeah this is a big problem and both the left and right seem to have drunk the natural monopoly kool aid so it seems to just be a choice of who does the assraping of the consumer.

Maybe all this will be irrelevant though if Elon Musks wildest dreams come true and everyone just uses near earth orbit satellites for internet because space stuff got so much cheaper.
 
Trust busting when?
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The last time we tried that was when an international bank funneling money for terrorists & cartel members were caught by an FBI reject who joined their company at a branch location at a strip mall.

They paid about five billion dollars to worm out of it and got away otherwise unscathed.
 
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Anyone who wants a functional Internet is opposed to deliberately breaking it.
I've had an ISP violate net neutrality rules when net neutrality was in effect so I don't think it was really doing anything, anyway. Smaller ISPs might have to obey said rules or be shut down with fines but the big guys can always get out of it.
 
No that's not the issue. Elon is a kike and just as bad as comcast. That's another story but he's another welfare nigger who uses the government to abuse the market.

I seriously wish his kids die in his arms on his birthday.

What I mean is the problem how we have "controled" monopolies means we have no options just that aside forgoing a service.

NN death still allows this. So mom and pop isp won't show up. If they did I'd jump on board willing to pay more for less service just to not deal with verizon or comcast (my two local)

If the market was free I'd be fully in support of letting companies do what they can on these rules. I think shooting yourself in the foot is a God given right.

Problem is there's no repercussions be it legal or economic. The latter issue comes from why this was allowed. People won't drop the net.

But keeping NN it was getting scary to becoming seen a's a right or public service and as stated before don't want that either.

We were fucked either way because neither gave us a free market.
 
I've had an ISP violate net neutrality rules when net neutrality was in effect so I don't think it was really doing anything, anyway.

Did you report them to the FCC? Because that's what you should've done.

Smaller ISPs might have to obey said rules or be shut down with fines but the big guys can always get out of it.

Wrong, the FCC could have slapped companies like Comcast with huge fines if they really felt inclined. They've been merciful in the past, to say the least.
 
I seriously wish his kids die in his arms on his birthday.
I agree with some of what you said there but I had to rate you autistic for this comment anyway because I don't have the A-log rating. Sorry.

There are actually a couple of "Mom and pop" ISPs near me. I know one is a co-op because it's associated with a suburb of wealthy people that presumably got tired of being stuck with satellite. I'll have to look into the other and find out why they exist here when apparently so few exist anywhere else.
 
I agree with some of what you said there but I had to rate you autistic for this comment anyway because I don't have the A-log rating. Sorry.

There are actually a couple of "Mom and pop" ISPs near me. I know one is a co-op because it's associated with a suburb of wealthy people that presumably got tired of being stuck with satellite. I'll have to look into the other and find out why they exist here when apparently so few exist anywhere else.
That's another story but by God do I wish it. He's a thief just that. And I can't expand enough how much it needs to be pointed out.

You have options use them. Simple . I don't or I would.

If indeed these doom day sayers are right and i doubt it. I'll cut the cord on net no big deal.

Problem lies most won't. My employer won't no matter we need net. Many companies feel the same they require it. So fact they can gut a market why wouldn't they?

When you cheat the market it's really easy to win.
 
I wouldn't, because that'd mean they could freely censor websites.

Just like this very one.
No shit. And I'm ok with that. If we had options this wouldn't be a problem. We don't. If you sign a contract with a company that says we don't allow X you have to understand that's part of the deal.

If you said here's a cable provider that allows 4 chan porn espn etc one doesn't who do you pick?

How this goes now they can just do that and no where to shop for other options.
 
Hence the need for government oversight.
The government is a big part of how one cheats the market. These fuckers get big enough to buy senators and basically get enfranchised by the government like it's the fucking 17th century and they're the East India Trading Company.
 
I wouldn't, because that'd mean they could freely censor websites.

At which point you could switch to another ISP which doesn't block certain websites, just like how you can use Startpage or DuckDuckGo if you hate Google for doing the same thing.
 
Which you can't because there are no other ISPs.

No shit, that's the point I was trying to make in my original posts.

Keep in mind that I still don't agree with the NN repeal even though I wouldn't call myself a supporter of it either. Even though it doesn't address the core problem of ISP fuckery, its better to have some kind of stop gap between consumers and a monopoly until said monopoly can be dismantled in some form or another (which might not even require the government having to break up the companies).
 
No shit. And I'm ok with that. If we had options this wouldn't be a problem. We don't. If you sign a contract with a company that says we don't allow X you have to understand that's part of the deal.

If you said here's a cable provider that allows 4 chan porn espn etc one doesn't who do you pick?

How this goes now they can just do that and no where to shop for other options.
The server hosting business is unencumbered compared to the ISP market.

And yet kiwifarms has still been chased off of every host it's been with.

Free speech and free markets are not compatible when you have choke points like the internet.
 
Which you can't because there are no other ISPs.
There is the issue, if you can shop by all means do, not all of us have that option.

If you think the same body that allowed no other ISPs should be allowed to choose what content, I really don't know how to expand on the hypocritical behavior of it.

The server hosting business is unencumbered compared to the ISP market.

And yet kiwifarms has still been chased off of every host it's been with.

Free speech and free markets are not compatible when you have choke points like the internet.
You are legally allowed to use a utility for what you wish as you pay for it, go make a nice swastika lamp and see how long till they cut your power.

Customers are in a way a brand ambassador, and places like this are not the best advertisers, Tiger woods lost Nike after his antics, the list of places cutting cords I can go on for days, are nike shoes better or worse quality because Tiger isn't repping them? No. Service is the same it's just they don't look good.

A corp image is a very hard thing to put on paper and monotize it's worth and losses, many people think my Jaguar is a dick's car, people who can afford it still rather other brand because "it's a jagggggg" meme. Now how on earth can you qualify or quantify it? You can't really, but a copmany tries to shed that image for a reason.

Let's say 2/3rds of drunk drivers were in Toyotas, do you think they would scramble to change the image? Even though Toyota did nothing wrong other than make a car? Can we figure the costs?

I'm not saying it's not real but places that are socially frowned upon aren't worth the income to many companies. That's why KF has to bounce around it sucks it's reality. But it's also the same free market people are screaming for and against at the same god damn time like fucking retarded banshees.
 
You are legally allowed to use a utility for what you wish as you pay for it, go make a nice swastika lamp and see how long till they cut your power.
Are you implying that my power company would cut my power if I made a swastika lamp?
I'm not saying it's not real but places that are socially frowned upon aren't worth the income to many companies. That's why KF has to bounce around it sucks it's reality. But it's also the same free market people are screaming for and against at the same god damn time like fucking exceptional banshees.
No, actually kf isn't just bouncing around. It stopped bouncing and just sunk. It actually cannot maintain any host. The reason we're still online is because of trickery. (It's more complex than that, but yeah.) Net neutrality is the only thing keeping kf online nowadays.

I like competition. I support free markets as long as competition is reasonably feasible. If's not feasible, then regulation is appropriate.

I don't believe competition is feasible in the ISP space. Even if you get rid of government controls, I think ISPs tip so easily in favor of one big player that you simply can't have reasonable competition.

They're like roads.

If I have to choose between favoring content or favoring copper, I'd pick content any day of the week.
 
Are you implying that my power company would cut my power if I made a swastika lamp?

No, actually kf isn't just bouncing around. It stopped bouncing and just sunk. It actually cannot maintain any host. The reason we're still online is because of trickery. (It's more complex than that, but yeah.) Net neutrality is the only thing keeping kf online nowadays.

I like competition. I support free markets as long as competition is reasonably feasible. If's not feasible, then regulation is appropriate.

I don't believe competition is feasible in the ISP space. Even if you get rid of government controls, I think ISPs tip so easily in favor of one big player that you simply can't have reasonable competition.

They're like roads.

If I have to choose between favoring content or favoring copper, I'd pick content any day of the week.
I'm not making the implication as much as I'm saying, have fun testing the theory. Also before you even get hit with that issue, you'd run into other government bull shit regulations, the same body that just stopped NN. Stuff like building code, HOA etc etc.

You are a smart guy, so why are you more worried about this regulation than the regulation that allowed the monopolies that were then able to grow enough power? At VERY least that's what I've been trying to make the people think about, people worried about NN dying are more worried about a dragon's toe nail than the fire breathing dragon to start.

It's in a way funny you mention roads, when we have the Domino's thread going, also my drive way is a lot fucking better shape than the road I live on, why is that?
 
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