Pedophiles and pedophilia apologists - Dear NSA agent reading this thread: WE DON'T CONDONE THIS

[BananaBoner]

The problem with the whole "even murderers and child rapists should get to keep their human rights" thing is that some people will never, ever respect the rights of others. Some people just can't be pulled back into society, though it's obviously a case-by-case thing rather than "all x are sociopaths anyway". If you keep handicapping yourself by playing by the rules against someone who will continue to break them, you lose. The fucker will manipulate the shit out of everyone and find the loophole they need to continue destroying lives if that's what gives them a boner. And they can do that because they know there will never be consequences they can't somehow escape.

This shit makes me ranty, I'm gonna stop here.

 

[Nuthatch]

There seems to be an assumption that if you remove the pedophilia paraphilias from these people that they would become functional human beings. Even if this was possible (it's not) you're ignoring the comorbid disorders that come with sexual fetishes.

Many pedophiles would get a rise out of manipulating their naive therapist. Convincing them they have learned from their sins and reformed, then going out and doing the same shit. I'm reminded of Ed Kemper, when one of his probation psychiatrist wrote: "..and I would see no psychiatric reason to consider him to be of any danger to himself or to any member of society...". One of his victim's decapitated heads was in the trunk of his car at the time.

Serial killers have some commonality with pedophiles in that their crimes are often sexually motivated. Except serial killers murder their victims, pedophiles keep them alive most of the time. Sometimes for the purpose of being able to just continuously abuse them until they get too old.

Pedophiles don't deserve "human rights" because they defy basic human instincts. The drive to protect our young is a biological instinct. They have shown an inability to function in society. To remove a cancerous tumor, you must kill it. Talking about our feelings isn't going to cure cancer.

 

[Alec Benson Leary]

I'm all for finding a way to cure pedophilia, if it can be done. And my feelings about thoughtcrime mean I don't necessarily agree it's the best practice to lock someone up if they confess feelings of attraction to children to their therapist. But you sure as shit start a watch on them. Because if they have feelings they've probably at least looked at child porn. So you dig, and if you find something in their history you act.

I am sympathetic to the concept that this violates the principle of the freedoms our society grants us... to an extent. But fuck, if you tell your therapist you're fantasizing about blowing up a school they'll dig into you too, so you know what? Being too understanding is legitimizing pedophilic behavior. It just is. And we can't do that.

Also we need to put down this "virtuous pedophile" euphemizing. I'm attracted to grown women, I don't call myself virtuous just because I don't rape them. Not raping is what's expected of you. Don't rape or you get the chair, period.

 

[Plunkie]

gas them all tbh

 

[jewelry investor]

I'm all for finding a way to cure pedophilia, if it can be done. And my feelings about thoughtcrime mean I don't necessarily agree it's the best practice to lock someone up if they confess feelings of attraction to children to their therapist. But you sure as shit start a watch on them. Because if they have feelings they've probably at least looked at child porn. So you dig, and if you find something in their history you act.

I am sympathetic to the concept that this violates the principle of the freedoms our society grants us... to an extent. But fuck, if you tell your therapist you're fantasizing about blowing up a school they'll dig into you too, so you know what? Being too understanding is legitimizing pedophilic behavior. It just is. And we can't do that.

Also we need to put down this "virtuous pedophile" euphemizing. I'm attracted to grown women, I don't call myself virtuous just because I don't rape them. Not raping is what's expected of you. Don't rape or you get the chair, period.

Interesting tidbit: Europeans for centuries have executed murderers and other criminals quickly. This basically eradicated genes that made people murderous, thus reducing the crime rate in Europe. A similar thing should be done to pedos, but I don't know if it could happen in this age.

 

[Alec Benson Leary]

Interesting tidbit: Europeans for centuries have executed murderers and other criminals quickly. This basically eradicated genes that made people murderous, thus reducing the crime rate in Europe.

So then... what, they got bored and outsourced rape and murder to a new population to bring in?

 

[Diana Moon Glampers]

I'm pretty sure most non-Euro societies didn't respond to murderers with a hearty handshake and a pat on the back.

 

[jewelry investor]

So then... what, they got bored and outsourced rape and murder to a new population to bring in?

You're more right than you think.

 

[DrJonesHat]

I'm all for finding a way to cure pedophilia, if it can be done. And my feelings about thoughtcrime mean I don't necessarily agree it's the best practice to lock someone up if they confess feelings of attraction to children to their therapist. But you sure as shit start a watch on them. Because if they have feelings they've probably at least looked at child porn. So you dig, and if you find something in their history you act.

I am sympathetic to the concept that this violates the principle of the freedoms our society grants us... to an extent. But fuck, if you tell your therapist you're fantasizing about blowing up a school they'll dig into you too, so you know what? Being too understanding is legitimizing pedophilic behavior. It just is. And we can't do that.

Also we need to put down this "virtuous pedophile" euphemizing. I'm attracted to grown women, I don't call myself virtuous just because I don't rape them. Not raping is what's expected of you. Don't rape or you get the chair, period.

Lost in this debate is the rights of the children. Most kids, believe it or not, don't want to fuck adults. When they're old enough to understand what sex is, and those urges start showing up, they want to experiment with people their own age. Pedos are very shocked to learn this.

 

[heathercho]

Im just trying to stay with in the basic human right
Thats all

You guys are trying todo "In a perfect would" when it should be "What we could change today"

I'm going to take the SJW route and saying "Human rights are a social construct".
People in this thread are wanting to socially construct a world where being a pedo is bad, human rights are socially constructed by your validity to be human enough to have them.
Extreme leftists meanwhile are wanting to construct a world where being a pedo is to be tolerated and human rights are socially constructed around the needs of not the victims, but the perps.
As it is, providing "help" for pedos relies on the pedo themselves to ask for help. If they have asspatters telling them they dindunuffin, then will they even ask for help? Why would they suddenly heel to morality, if they believe that morality stifles their desire? Kind of an antithesis argument really.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

This basically eradicated genes that made people murderous,

That's not how that works. #1) Murder is not a genetic trait. #2) If it did work that way, why do murderers still exist?

I'm going to take the SJW route and saying "Human rights are a social construct".

That's not a SJW rooted viewpoint, what you just described is called "the social contract", as first conceived by Jean-Jacques Rousseau.

 

[jewelry investor]

That's not how that works. #1) Murder is not a genetic trait. #2) If it did work that way, why do murderers still exist?

For #2 Why do murders exist at a historically lower rate? (pdf)
For #1: I remember seeing a video about this, but for the life of me I cannot remember its title. But all I will say is that some people cannot be fixed.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

For #2 Why do murders exist at a historically lower rate? (pdf)

This is a compilation of historical data, which can't be considered scientifically reliable, especially not for accounts that old. I typed in the word "gene" in a word search to see if "genetics" or "genes" were ever even brought up and to no surprise, of the 24 instances I found of the phrase "gene", none of them completed with a result that related to genetic research.

There's no way to prove that culling murderers from the populace was solely responsible for the reduced future crime rate, just the same way you can't prove that violence and sexual assault went down due to an increase to violent vidya and pornography.

You can't exactly prove a causal factor between genetics and inclination to murder if you can't examine the DNA of every single person who had died during that period to show they share a common genetic trait, which puts the kibosh on any notion of a followup knockout study to prove that such a gene would cause an increase to a propensity for violence. This claim you've made isn't just disputable or debatable, it's unfalsifiable.

Historical statistics =/= genetic evidence.

 

[jewelry investor]

This is a compilation of historical data, which can't be considered scientifically reliable, especially not for accounts that old. I typed in the word "gene" in a word search to see if "genetics" or "genes" were ever even brought up and to no surprise, of the 24 instances I found of the phrase "gene", none of them completed with a result that related to genetic research.

There's no way to prove that culling murderers from the populace was solely responsible for the reduced future crime rate, just the same way you can't prove that violence and sexual assault went down due to an increase to violent vidya and pornography.

You can't exactly prove a causal factor between genetics and inclination to murder if you can't examine the DNA of every single person who had died during that period to show they share a common genetic trait, which puts the kibosh on any notion of a followup knockout study to prove that such a gene would cause an increase to a propensity for violence. This claim you've made isn't just disputable or debatable, it's unfalsifiable.

Historical statistics =/= genetic evidence.

The point of that pdf wasn't to convince you on genetic correlation, But rather to to tell you there is less murder.
Point #2: "why are there still murderers?": there's less, there's no extinction.

Do you believe some genes make people more prone to murder? If that's the case then some of those genes died on the noose.
Again, I tried to find that video.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

Europeans for centuries have executed murderers and other criminals quickly. This basically eradicated genes that made people murderous

The point of that pdf wasn't to convince you on genetic correlation, But rather to to tell you there is less murder.
Point #2: "why are there still murderers?": there's less, there's no extinction.

One of these is not like the other.

 

[jewelry investor]

One of these is not like the other.

One’s an exaggeration.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

One’s an exaggeration.

And the other is

 

[jewelry investor]

:autism:

Do you think that at one point I actually believed that murderers were extinct?

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

Do you think that at one point I actually believed that murderers were extinct?

Are you sure you didn't?

 

[jewelry investor]

Are you sure you didn't?

Autism: taking exaggerations and metaphors literally.