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DisasterChurch Shooting At Sutherland Springs, Texas - 26+ Dead
FBI responding to the scene of a shooting outside San Antonio, Texas
Multiple people shot at Texas church 01:13
(CNN)The FBI is responding to the scene of a reported shooting in Sutherland Springs, Texas, according to Michelle Lee, spokeswoman for the FBI's San Antonio field office.
Local police also have responded to the scene, which occurred at the First Baptist Church, a witness told CNN. The witness, a cashier at a gas station across the street from the church, said she heard about 20 shots being fired in quick succession while a church service was underway.
Sutherland Springs is about 30 miles east of San Antonio.
Developing story - more to come
At least 27 people have been killed and 27 injured in a Texas church shooting today, law enforcement sources told ABC News.
The alleged shooter is dead, and it appears there is no longer an active threat at the First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, about 40 miles southeast of San Antonio, police told ABC News affiliate KSAT in San Antonio on Sunday afternoon.
The church's pastor, Frank Pomeroy, told ABC his 14yr-old daughter is among the dead. He added she "was one very beautiful, special child."
This is a breaking news story. Stay with WSBTV.com and watch Channel 2 Action News at 6 p.m. for live updates.
A person who said she works at a gas station across the street from the church told ABC News she heard rapid gunfire at around 11:15 a.m., leading congregants from the church as well as customers at the station to run inside for cover.
“We heard several shots and we all started running inside the store,” she said.
“It lasted about 15 seconds. I yelled, ‘Get down! Get inside!’ and we all went into hiding,” said the woman, who said she is 49 but declined to give her name.
She said the gas station locked its doors. "We have not reopened,” she said.
She then that within minutes of the gunfire, emergency personnel had arrived at the scene.
“There were officers that were checking the wounded in here were asking them questions,” she said.
Connally Memorial Center in nearby Floresville told ABC News it has received six people from the shooting.
The FBI and ATF are heading to the scene, ABC News has learned.
Outside the church, police have formed a perimeter and flooded the grounds with emergency and police vehicles, according to KSAT.
A small group of people were seen standing together, holding hands as tears overtook an attempt to pray, a KSAT reporter said.
Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton said in a statement, "The thoughts and prayers of all Texans are with the people of Sutherland Springs as tragic reports come out of First Baptist Church."
"Please join Angela and me as we pray for those impacted by this horrific shooting,” Paxton said.
Just after 3 p.m. Sunday, President Trump tweeted that he is monitoring Texas church shooting from Japan.
The killer has been identified as Devin Patrick Kelley. He was apparently an atheist and was dishonorably discharged from the military due to woman beating and breaking his stepson's skull.
Job1:18 While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, Thy sons and thy daughters were eating and drinking wine in their eldest brother's house:
19 And, behold, there came a great wind from the wilderness, and smote the four corners of the house, and it fell upon the young men, and they are dead; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.
20 Then Job arose, and rent his mantle, and shaved his head, and fell down upon the ground, and worshipped,
21 And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the Lord gave, and the Lord hath taken away; blessed be the name of the Lord.
22 In all this Job sinned not, nor charged God foolishly.
I doubt this is accurate, the guy was 26 when he did this, he would have been 12 or 13 in 2003, he's not likely to have been in high school at that age
So he's got the sped stare, arrested for drugs and beating women, bad conduct dischargeed from the air force, and in a fit of sped rage killed a bunch of people?
So when are we going to find out he was also a pedophile? Because that's usually the next thing with this type of fuckup. And then they'll be people who don't quite fit in with whichever of the two mainstream parties they belong to.
Brittany Adcock, 22, told NBC News that she dated Kelley for two months in 2009, when he was 18 and she was just 13.
'At the time I didn't think much into it being so young but now I realize that there's something off about someone who is 18 with someone who is 13,' she said.
She said that after she dumped Kelley, he refused to let the relationship go and tried to get her back by any means necessary. That included offering her money to live with him and his wife as a topless maid.
But in Colorado Springs, Colorado, where Kelley lived for a short time, he was arrested in 2014 on an animal cruelty charge, according to police records.
Witnesses to that incident told investigators that they saw Kelley chasing the dog at a trailer park and attacking the animal when he caught it.
"The suspect then started beating on the dog with both fists, punching it in the head and chest," the police report said, citing a witness. "He could hear the suspect yelling at the dog and while he was striking it, the dog was yelping and whining. The suspect then picked up the dog by the neck into the air and threw it onto the ground and then drug him away to lot 60."
Correct me if I'm wrong but that depends on the type of court-martial, not the discharge type (based on my 4 minutes of perusal of various Military Lawyer websites).
I'm not an expert on this, but usually in the civilian world, the maximum imprisonment for a misdemeanor is a year (as a general rule with possible exceptions) and you can go to a jail for that, but over a year requires a felony of some sort. So the sentence seems to imply misdemeanor level stuff. However, I do know that domestic violence in particular, even misdemeanor, usually does also lose you gun rights.
So it's possible they were required to report based on that alone.
I don't think we really know yet, though, exactly what the BCD was for, whether it's felony level, or whether it qualifies under the general domestic violence conviction rule, or whether a BCD qualifies under that rule for reporting. That's why I wouldn't rush to say the Air Force fucked up.
I don't think we really know yet, though, exactly what the BCD was for, whether it's felony level, or whether it qualifies under the general domestic violence conviction rule, or whether a BCD qualifies under that rule for reporting. That's why I wouldn't rush to say the Air Force fucked up.
The Air Force admitted in a public statement that they fucked up and should have reported him. Texas law also prevents all domestic violence convicts from obtaining a firearm for a minimum of five years regardless of whether it’s a felony or misdeamenor conviction. There were multiple aspects of this that would have prevented him from owning a firearm, but the air force dropped the ball so badly that all of them were overlooked.
The Air Force admitted in a public statement that they fucked up and should have reported him. Texas law also prevents all domestic violence convicts from obtaining a firearm for a minimum of five years regardless of whether it’s a felony or misdeamenor conviction. There were multiple aspects of this that would have prevented him from owning a firearm, but the air force dropped the ball so badly that all of them were overlooked.
Okay, the Air Force clearly fucked up and admits it.
Note that this is another case where new laws are not needed. What is needed is for currently existing laws to be enforced. They might not have stopped this particular scumbag from doing what he did, but he doesn't seem smart enough to have evaded it if he weren't able just to go in and buy guns illegally.
Note that this is another case where new laws are not needed. What is needed is for currently existing laws to be enforced. They might not have stopped this particular scumbag from doing what he did, but he doesn't seem smart enough to have evaded it if he weren't able just to go in and buy guns illegally.
That’s what I find so personally infuriating about this, at least in a political context. The perp had no legal right to own a gun according to both federal and state law. Per se illegal for multiple reasons; no ambiguity (unlike with bump stocks). This is a clear case where simply enforcing existing law would have likely stopped a tragedy, and additional regulation would not have done anything.
That’s what I find so personally infuriating about this, at least in a political context. The perp had no legal right to own a gun according to both federal and state law. Per se illegal for multiple reasons; no ambiguity (unlike with bump stocks). This is a clear case where simply enforcing existing law would have likely stopped a tragedy, and additional regulation would not have done anything.
From what I gather it wasn't even an enforcement problem, it was someone in the air force pissing off for lunch early when they were supposed to file this guy's paper in the 'don't let him own a gun' stack.
That’s what I find so personally infuriating about this, at least in a political context. The perp had no legal right to own a gun according to both federal and state law. Per se illegal for multiple reasons; no ambiguity (unlike with bump stocks). This is a clear case where simply enforcing existing law would have likely stopped a tragedy, and additional regulation would not have done anything.
Me too, more from a pragmatic than a political perspective, though. Virtually everyone, even die-hard NRA members, actually fucking agree with the felon/convict prohibition, and we're not even doing that right. We really need to start doing this shit everyone agrees with right before even talking about new laws.
I doubt this is accurate, the guy was 26 when he did this, he would have been 12 or 13 in 2003, he's not likely to have been in high school at that age
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They probably had their middle school and high school in the same building. I know at least some small communities do this. It would explain why he listed it for 6 years: he did 7th-12th grade there.
I doubt this is accurate, the guy was 26 when he did this, he would have been 12 or 13 in 2003, he's not likely to have been in high school at that age
Me too, more from a pragmatic than a political perspective, though. Virtually everyone, even die-hard NRA members, actually fucking agree with the felon/convict prohibition, and we're not even doing that right. We really need to start doing this shit everyone agrees with right before even talking about new laws.
Well, I've been doing a little bit of research into him. He was a big CNN listener and supported a lot of SJW ideology. At least, that's what I managed to get before things went private.
AUSTRALIANS have trouble understanding the American fascination with firearms. The devotion to weapons that have killed and maimed so many innocent people seems obscene to many of us.
The slaughter of 26 parishioners at the First Baptist Church in Sutherland Spings, Texas, during Sunday prayers is a tragedy that has sadly become all too predictable.
It is beyond me why any person, other than law enforcement, should have access to weaponry that is designed for warfare. You do not need an assault rifle to shoot a helpless doe or to protect your home.
When a madman armed with a high-powered semiautomatic assault rifle slaughtered 35 people and injured a further 23 in Port Arthur in 1996, Australia set about introducing some of the toughest gun laws in the world.
It wasn’t easy and it took courage from the last real leader this country has had, but then Prime Minister John Howard had the guts to don a bulletproof vest and face the laws’ most ardent opponents head on.
Under the subsequent national gun buyback scheme, more than 600,000 firearms were collected and destroyed. Australia hasn’t had another large-scale mass shooting since. The Monash University shooting and the Lindt cafe siege have been the highest casualty non-familicide gun attacks since the Port Arthur massacre.
The bad guys can still get their hands on guns but, undoubtedly, innocent lives have been saved by strict legislation limiting access to firearms.
However, it is naive, bordering on stupid, to believe that the US could emulate Australia, given the extent of their problem; they are simply past the point of no return.
Genuine gun reform is still possible and necessary, but it is fanciful to think that Australian-style legislation, including gun buyback schemes, would work in a country where criminals are heavily armed.
You may be able, over time, to change the entrenched gun culture, perhaps even overcome the Second Amendment — but that won’t change the reality that there are more than 300 million guns in the US right now.
Last year, there were about 38,000 gun deaths in the US, about two-thirds of them suicides.
While about one in three Americans are law-abiding gun owners, there are millions of illegal weapons in the hands of criminals who are not going to take any notice of tougher laws.
Chicago is proof that simply tightening gun laws without addressing the root causes of crime is a strategy doomed to failure. In 2016, gun control advocates The Law Centre to Prevent Gun Violence listed Illinois in the top 10 states in its gun laws reports card. However, Chicago is riddled with gun violence, having the most murders of any US city: 781 killed and well over 3000 people shot in 2016.
Those who argue against further restrictions on gun owners point out that the man who stopped Texas mass killer Devin Kelley from killing even more people was a law-abiding gun owner and former National Rifle Association instructor, Stephen Willeford, who used his gun to engage the killer.
It may seem counter-intuitive, even insane, to us in Australia, but that is why gun sales soar in the US after a mass shooting.
It was clear after the Sandy Hook massacre in 2012 that America would not seriously tackle its multi-layered gun problem. If the killing of 20 first-graders, aged six to seven, by a maniac armed with weapons designed for the battlefield doesn’t inspire significant gun reform, then nothing will. So you’ll understand my pessimism about anything meaningful happening after this latest massacre in which an atheist outcast killed half the congregation of a tiny church in a tiny Texas town.
President Donald Trump has blamed the carnage on the killer’s mental health problems rather than on guns.
The Republican president said: “We have a lot of mental health problems in our country, as do other countries.
“But this isn’t a guns situation.”
Yet a catastrophic error by a federal authority, which failed to follow procedure, resulted in Kelley being able to purchase firearms.
The cowardly killer should never have been in possession of any sort of firearm, given that he was a convicted criminal, discharged from the US Air Force after a court-martial for acts of violence perpetrated against his partner and stepchild.
In 2012, Kelley cracked the toddler’s skull with a blow so hard it was described as exerting “a force likely to produce death or grievous bodily harm”.
That should have had him barred from buying firearms. But the air force did not alert federal law enforcement to Kelley’s crimes.
“Initial information indicates that Kelley’s domestic violence offence was not entered into the National Criminal Information Center database by the Holloman Air Force Base Office of Special Investigations,” said air force spokesperson Ann Stefanek.
That allowed Kelley to buy the weapons he used to attack helpless churchgoers aged from 18 months to 77 years.
But it can be argued that an enraged madman, hellbent on causing maximum carnage, would have found a way to acquire weapons to carry out such terrible deeds whatever restrictions were placed on him.
Tragically, the easy availability of assault weapons, acquired both legally and illegally, will see many more such gun tragedies unfold in the US.
Rita Panahi is a conservative, so this is another example of Australians not understanding the importance of Second Amendment since we, as a nation were stupid enough to willingly hand our guns in.
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