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Trump: North Korea best not make any more threats 4 Hours Ago | 05:03

North Korea said on Wednesday it is "carefully examining" a plan to strike the U.S. Pacific territory of Guam with missiles, just hours after U.S. President Donald Trump told the North that any threat to the United States would be met with "fire and fury".

A spokesman for the Korean People's Army, in a statement carried by the North's state-run KCNA news agency, said the strike plan will be "put into practice in a multi-current and consecutive way any moment" once leader Kim Jong Un makes a decision.

In another statement citing a different military spokesman, North Korea also said it could carry out a pre-emptive operation if the United States showed signs of provocation.

Earlier Pyongyang said it was ready to give Washington a "severe lesson" with its strategic nuclear force in response to any U.S. military action.

Washington has warned it is ready to use force if need be to stop North Korea's ballistic missile and nuclear programs but that it prefers global diplomatic action, including sanctions.

The consequences of any U.S. strike would potentially be catastrophic not only for North Koreans but also South Korea, Japan and the thousands of U.S. military personnel within range of any North Korean retaliatory strikes.

"North Korea best not make any more threats to the United States. They will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen," Trump told reporters at the Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, New Jersey.

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Guam is far removed from the U.S. mainland. Credit: Google Maps.

The U.N. Security Council unanimously imposed new sanctions on North Korea on Saturday over its continued missile tests, that could slash the reclusive country's $3 billion annual export revenue by a third.

North Korea has made no secret of plans to develop a nuclear-tipped missile able to strike the United States and has ignored international calls to halt its nuclear and missile programs.

It says its intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) are a legitimate means of defense against perceived U.S. hostility. It has long accused the United States and South Korea of escalating tensions by conducting military drills.

U.S. stocks closed slightly lower after Trumps comment, while a widely followed measure of stock market anxiety ended at its highest in nearly a month. The U.S. dollar index pared gains and the safe-haven yen strengthened against the U.S. currency.

Tensions rise
The United States has remained technically at war with North Korea since the 1950-53 Korean conflict ended in an armistice rather than a peace treaty. The past six decades have been punctuated by periodic rises in antagonism and rhetoric that have always stopped short of a resumption of active hostilities.

Tensions have risen since North Korea carried out two nuclear bomb tests last year and two ICBM tests last month.

The Trump administration's attempts to pressure North Korea into abandoning its nuclear and missile ambitions have so far gained little traction.

U.S. Defense Secretary Jim Mattis has warned of an "effective and overwhelming" response against North Korea if it chose to use nuclear weapons but has said any military solution would be "tragic on an unbelievable scale."

The United States has 28,500 troops in South Korea to guard against the North Korean threat. Japan hosts around 54,000 U.S. military personnel, the U.S. Department of Defense says, and tens of thousands of Americans work in both countries.

Seoul is home to a population of roughly 10 million, within range of massed pre-targeted North Korean rockets and artillery, which would be impossible to destroy in a first U.S. strike.

The Washington Post reported on Tuesday that North Korea has successfully produced a miniaturized nuclear warhead that can fit inside its missiles, according to a confidential U.S. intelligence assessment.

But U.S. intelligence officials told Reuters that while North Korea has accelerated its efforts to design an ICBM, a miniaturized nuclear warhead, and a nosecone robust enough to survive reentry through the Earths atmosphere from space, there is no reliable evidence that it has mastered all three, much less tested and combined them into a weapon capable of hitting targets in the United States.

The bottom line is that its almost impossible, given the amount and reliability of available intelligence, to reach a high-confidence assessment of the Norths nuclear capabilities, a U.S. intelligence official said.

U.S. intelligence officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, also said there is no certainty about the number of nuclear warheads North Korea has assembled, with estimates ranging from 20 to as many as 60 and most experts leaning toward the lower end of that range.

North Korea's ICBM tests last month suggested it was making technical progress, Japan's annual Defence White Paper warned.

"It is conceivable that North Korea's nuclear weapons programme has already considerably advanced and it is possible that North Korea has already achieved the miniaturisation of nuclear weapons and has acquired nuclear warheads," it said.

War of words
On Monday, U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson held the door open for dialogue, saying Washington was willing to talk to Pyongyang if it halted its missile test launches.

Still, he maintained the pressure, urging Thailand on Tuesday for more action against Pyongyang.

Former U.S. diplomat Douglas Paal, now with the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace think tank in Washington, said Trump should not get into a war of words with Pyongyang.

It strikes me as an amateurish reflection of a belief that we should give as we get rhetorically. That might be satisfying at one level, but it takes us down into the mud that we should let Pyongyang enjoy alone, said Paal, who served as a White House official under previous Republican administrations.

South Korea reiterated further United Nations resolutions against Pyongyang could follow if it did not pull back.

"North Korea should realize if it doesn't stop its ... provocations, it will face even stronger pressure and sanctions," Defense Ministry spokesman Moon Sang-gyun told a news briefing. "We warn North Korea not to test or misunderstand the will of the South Korea-U.S. alliance."

Lockheed Martin Corp, the Pentagon's No. 1 weapons supplier, said on Tuesday its customers are increasingly asking about missile defense systems.

"The level of dialogue ... is now at the prime minister and minister of defense level," Tim Cahill, the vice president of Lockheed's Air and Missile Defense business, told Reuters.


WATCH: North Korea makes a nuclear weapon that can fit in its missiles, US intelligence says
 
The sad thing is that China should have seen this coming and been a bit more forceful in their attempts to remove the family from power. Now they've went absolute batshit and there's really nothing China can do about it. I don't believe Trump when he said 'China wasn't doing enough'. It isn't that China wasn't, its that China can't. It is transparently obvious they no longer have any real influence over NK and they can't go full economic blockade on a crazy person. Who would then clearly backed into a corner with enemies on all sides with a starving population, running out of bribe material for generals, along with an unknown amount of nuclear weapons.

Yeah, they might not be able to hit shit like Guam or the US, but they can throw enough shitty missiles at China, Japan and SK to do some serious nuke damage.



That guy was pro-China? Jesus Christ. Yeah, China has clearly lost control of NK. They just don't want a war so close to them and the refugee problem and the eventual nation building problem, because SK doesn't want to reunify, the US doesn't want to spend the money and China is stretched so thin economic-growth wise it would probably just collapse them.

China really, really fucked up by not doing more. Yeah, having someone be a pain to your economic and political enemy is nice, but now they've gone totally insane and you have no control. And its going to be your mess when he eventually loses his fucking mind when he launches a 'nuke test' at Guam. At that point, that's basically a deceleration of war. Nobody sane throws a 'nuclear test' at their enemies. Not even Pakistain and India did that shit. 'Yeah, we're going to nuke you eventually, what are you gonna do about it pussies lol'. Hopefully if that ever happens the one general who kept his mouth shut for 40 years just blasts fatty in the face with an AK.



Too bad the Soviets and Chinese didn't manage to put two behind the ear of Kim Il Sung. Probably would have solved a lot of problems.

I really wish one of his own would take his fat ass out.
 
As much as I'm not a fan of Trump, it's nice to see what happens when someone finally tells this dumbfuck no, your autistic biting and screaming isn't going to cause the world to bow to you any more.
It's more the Chinese finally telling the Norks that if this shit keeps up they won't purchase their raw goods anymore. PS1 just made a thread about it.
 

Although this is purely speculation on my part, I would dare say the cost would be massive for South Korea, and that'd be dissuading. Sure the rest of the world would probably pitch in, but that only does so much. They're essentially rehabilitating a brainwashed people who lived for nearly seventy years, starving and economically stagnating. The infrastructure costs, as well as occupation and education for what is an entirely different country would be astronomical. It would financially ruin the South Koreans for generations. That, and there are going to be cultural lapses between North and South which may never fully heal.
 
Although this is purely speculation on my part, I would dare say the cost would be massive for South Korea, and that'd be dissuading. Sure the rest of the world would probably pitch in, but that only does so much. They're essentially rehabilitating a brainwashed people who lived for nearly seventy years, starving and economically stagnating. The infrastructure costs, as well as occupation and education for what is an entirely different country would be astronomical. It would financially ruin the South Koreans for generations. That, and there are going to be cultural lapses between North and South which may never fully heal.

Plus they would then have a regional superpower screaming at them to get the global superpower out now now now NOW!
 

In addition to the post above, bear in mind this is also a generational thing.

If you don't include the initial 4 year soviet occupation of east germany, South Korea and North Korea have been split around 23 years longer than Germany was (1953-2017 compared to 1949-1990)

If you factor in the fact that a lot less media gets through to NK from elsewhere, a lot of the younger people in South Korea don't really see NK as the same country. Of course, it's not the younger people who are currently in charge, but more and more people are born in SK with no memory of it being one country, only with memories of NK being fooking insane.

I mean, I might be wrong about all this of course.
 
Korean reunification would be quite marvelous.

We all know how desolate the situation in NK is, but NK propaganda claims that Nk is one of the richest and most prosperous and free nations on earth.
When Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans, NK television did not mention the storm and flood, yet showed pictures of the devastation and raids thereafter and pretended that was the average situation in the USA overall.
Indoctrinated Norks actually think they live a peaceful and prosporous life compared to the rest of the world, where people are being tortured 24/7 and Uncle Sam strides along the globe, causing bloodshed wherever he treads.
They also like to pretend that anything good was bestowed upon the world by the Kim Clan, it's literally like this scene from Simpsons:

Imagine these poor suckers setting foot into an average supermarket in Seoul.
It wouldn't be enough to 'modernize' and help readjust the people of NK, SK would have to start from scratch and completely rebuild the nation and its people - and it would take generations to achieve.

Strangely enough, I have little doubt that eventually former Norks would have a lot of nostalgia for the Kim Regime in the newly reunified Korea - akin to the GDR-Nostalgia that can be found in Germany today.
 
The sad thing is that China should have seen this coming and been a bit more forceful in their attempts to remove the family from power. Now they've went absolute batshit and there's really nothing China can do about it. I don't believe Trump when he said 'China wasn't doing enough'. It isn't that China wasn't, its that China can't. It is transparently obvious they no longer have any real influence over NK and they can't go full economic blockade on a crazy person. Who would then clearly backed into a corner with enemies on all sides with a starving population, running out of bribe material for generals, along with an unknown amount of nuclear weapons.
I think you're mostly right, but I'd add that China knew full well what type of crazy they were dealing with but thought they could control/direct it to be a thorn in America's side. When they realized that they didn't have as much control over him I'd wager they tried to wrangle the fat little tard in but couldn't really bring the hammer down on him because that would cause an incident.
I'll take India over some communist bullshit any day of the week.
China has toilets though.
 
I really wish one of his own would take his fat ass out.

Its basically impossible at this point. Fatass kills anyone who looks at him wrong and murdered a guy who liked China with an AA gun. Most are too scared or brainwashed. Others know how bad the situation is and would rather get free champagne and whores for life rather than even attempt to put the region back together.

Lets be honest, if you were an NK general, which would rather have: Anything you wanted in bribes or a country full of starving, backwards people who have barely any economy to speak of, agrarian or otherwise. Not to mention dealing with China and the US, having to keep the insane rhetoric up so the people don't kill you. I'd take the champagne and the whores, thanks.

I think you're mostly right, but I'd add that China knew full well what type of crazy they were dealing with but thought they could control/direct it to be a thorn in America's side. When they realized that they didn't have as much control over him I'd wager they tried to wrangle the fat little tard in but couldn't really bring the hammer down on him because that would cause an incident.

Honestly, I think it was China that got through to them to get them to stop launching their missiles at Guam. I wouldn't be surprised if they had gotten a call from Beijing with not so subtle hints that they'd glass NK themselves if they pulled that shit. You don't fucking launch missiles near the United States. That would pretty much force Trump or any other president's hand. The US would not tolerate that.

Not to mention you don't fucking need to do that to 'test weapons'. Its going to come to violence eventually, but it will be NK that starts it.
 
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