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Trump: North Korea best not make any more threats 4 Hours Ago | 05:03

North Korea said on Wednesday it is "carefully examining" a plan to strike the U.S. Pacific territory of Guam with missiles, just hours after U.S. President Donald Trump told the North that any threat to the United States would be met with "fire and fury".

A spokesman for the Korean People's Army, in a statement carried by the North's state-run KCNA news agency, said the strike plan will be "put into practice in a multi-current and consecutive way any moment" once leader Kim Jong Un makes a decision.

In another statement citing a different military spokesman, North Korea also said it could carry out a pre-emptive operation if the United States showed signs of provocation.

Earlier Pyongyang said it was ready to give Washington a "severe lesson" with its strategic nuclear force in response to any U.S. military action.

Washington has warned it is ready to use force if need be to stop North Korea's ballistic missile and nuclear programs but that it prefers global diplomatic action, including sanctions.

The consequences of any U.S. strike would potentially be catastrophic not only for North Koreans but also South Korea, Japan and the thousands of U.S. military personnel within range of any North Korean retaliatory strikes.

"North Korea best not make any more threats to the United States. They will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen," Trump told reporters at the Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, New Jersey.

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Guam is far removed from the U.S. mainland. Credit: Google Maps.

The U.N. Security Council unanimously imposed new sanctions on North Korea on Saturday over its continued missile tests, that could slash the reclusive country's $3 billion annual export revenue by a third.

North Korea has made no secret of plans to develop a nuclear-tipped missile able to strike the United States and has ignored international calls to halt its nuclear and missile programs.

It says its intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) are a legitimate means of defense against perceived U.S. hostility. It has long accused the United States and South Korea of escalating tensions by conducting military drills.

U.S. stocks closed slightly lower after Trumps comment, while a widely followed measure of stock market anxiety ended at its highest in nearly a month. The U.S. dollar index pared gains and the safe-haven yen strengthened against the U.S. currency.

Tensions rise
The United States has remained technically at war with North Korea since the 1950-53 Korean conflict ended in an armistice rather than a peace treaty. The past six decades have been punctuated by periodic rises in antagonism and rhetoric that have always stopped short of a resumption of active hostilities.

Tensions have risen since North Korea carried out two nuclear bomb tests last year and two ICBM tests last month.

The Trump administration's attempts to pressure North Korea into abandoning its nuclear and missile ambitions have so far gained little traction.

U.S. Defense Secretary Jim Mattis has warned of an "effective and overwhelming" response against North Korea if it chose to use nuclear weapons but has said any military solution would be "tragic on an unbelievable scale."

The United States has 28,500 troops in South Korea to guard against the North Korean threat. Japan hosts around 54,000 U.S. military personnel, the U.S. Department of Defense says, and tens of thousands of Americans work in both countries.

Seoul is home to a population of roughly 10 million, within range of massed pre-targeted North Korean rockets and artillery, which would be impossible to destroy in a first U.S. strike.

The Washington Post reported on Tuesday that North Korea has successfully produced a miniaturized nuclear warhead that can fit inside its missiles, according to a confidential U.S. intelligence assessment.

But U.S. intelligence officials told Reuters that while North Korea has accelerated its efforts to design an ICBM, a miniaturized nuclear warhead, and a nosecone robust enough to survive reentry through the Earths atmosphere from space, there is no reliable evidence that it has mastered all three, much less tested and combined them into a weapon capable of hitting targets in the United States.

The bottom line is that its almost impossible, given the amount and reliability of available intelligence, to reach a high-confidence assessment of the Norths nuclear capabilities, a U.S. intelligence official said.

U.S. intelligence officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, also said there is no certainty about the number of nuclear warheads North Korea has assembled, with estimates ranging from 20 to as many as 60 and most experts leaning toward the lower end of that range.

North Korea's ICBM tests last month suggested it was making technical progress, Japan's annual Defence White Paper warned.

"It is conceivable that North Korea's nuclear weapons programme has already considerably advanced and it is possible that North Korea has already achieved the miniaturisation of nuclear weapons and has acquired nuclear warheads," it said.

War of words
On Monday, U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson held the door open for dialogue, saying Washington was willing to talk to Pyongyang if it halted its missile test launches.

Still, he maintained the pressure, urging Thailand on Tuesday for more action against Pyongyang.

Former U.S. diplomat Douglas Paal, now with the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace think tank in Washington, said Trump should not get into a war of words with Pyongyang.

It strikes me as an amateurish reflection of a belief that we should give as we get rhetorically. That might be satisfying at one level, but it takes us down into the mud that we should let Pyongyang enjoy alone, said Paal, who served as a White House official under previous Republican administrations.

South Korea reiterated further United Nations resolutions against Pyongyang could follow if it did not pull back.

"North Korea should realize if it doesn't stop its ... provocations, it will face even stronger pressure and sanctions," Defense Ministry spokesman Moon Sang-gyun told a news briefing. "We warn North Korea not to test or misunderstand the will of the South Korea-U.S. alliance."

Lockheed Martin Corp, the Pentagon's No. 1 weapons supplier, said on Tuesday its customers are increasingly asking about missile defense systems.

"The level of dialogue ... is now at the prime minister and minister of defense level," Tim Cahill, the vice president of Lockheed's Air and Missile Defense business, told Reuters.


WATCH: North Korea makes a nuclear weapon that can fit in its missiles, US intelligence says
 
To be fair, do you think we're prepared for a nuclear attack beyond 1950s "duck and cover" procedures?

They didn't stop showing those movies because we have a better strategy now but because all they did was constantly remind people our sole strategy for civilians was "stick your head between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye."
 
They didn't stop showing those movies because we have a better strategy now but because all they did was constantly remind people our sole strategy for civilians was "stick your head between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye."
Good luck building bunkers for hundreds of millions and not collapse your economy though.
 
The US just wants North Korea to act sane for once and stop threatening them with ICBMs. They don't need a fucking deterrent. They never have. The conventional weaponry damage to South Korea and Japan is enough of one. A war with them is a losing proposition and anyone who says Trump is wanting one is insane. You can't just let another country build ICBMs and then threaten to nuke your territory with no response. South Korea doesn't want reunification and the US definitely does not want to undergo another nation building exercise.

The whole loading up B-1 bombers was saying , 'Hey, we don't want to nuke you or destroy your nation, please just stop fucking with us. We can end you anytime we want, just shut the fuck up.' North Korea doesn't understand anything but shows of strength and the US has stopped giving them anything everytime they ratchet up their nuclear talk and nuclear program. Fatboy is looking for a handout which he's not getting, so he's throwing a temper tantrum.

A large part of this is China's fault; they should have assassinated the Kim family a long time ago and replaced the leadership with a military junta of NK generals favorable to them. They let the family just murder all their opposition, while snickering how NK was a huge thorn in the side of the US and appeared to be the 'reasonable ones'. But now that shit has come back to bite them in the ass. Now China has to deal with a literal cult state of insane people next to them, building ICBMs and threatening to lob them at the US. Which leaves the US no choice but to get involved. And China can't even calm the situation down because the fat fucking faggot is just as likely to nuke China if they cut off economic support. Its also a problem because China wants more economic power and legitimacy, and you really can't have that if you are friends with an insane warlord threatening to nuke everyone you want to do business with. And at the same time, China can't be seen doing the will of the US by removing Kim to its own population. The whole situation is so, so fucked.

Holy shit people are still upset about the election

The whole thing is fucking stupid. Obama responded the same way and was the one who instituted the current policy of no more handouts for nuclear temper tantrums anymore. Hilary would respond in the same way as well. Nobody wants war in North Korea except for North Korea. The Chinese paper was essentially saying to Kim, 'Hey asshole, if you do anything stupid, we're not going to fucking help you'. And also a message to the US that they may get involved if there's a pre-emptive strike (I don't think there would be. Again, that's just saying 'we can end you whenever we want, stop.'). The problem is Kim doesn't really give a shit and is just going to do whatever he wants.
 
It'd be fucking hilarious if NK sent a nuke China's way. Pork Pie just completely loses his mind, and starts biting the hand that feeds them.
That happened in 2013, he purged all pro china politburo and military officers, including some of his own family.

Back in 1957, the Chinese and the Soviets tried to remove Kim il sung and he reacted by purging the cabinet.
 
The US just wants North Korea to act sane for once and stop threatening them with ICBMs. They don't need a fucking deterrent. They never have. The conventional weaponry damage to South Korea and Japan is enough of one. A war with them is a losing proposition and anyone who says Trump is wanting one is insane. You can't just let another country build ICBMs and then threaten to nuke your territory with no response. South Korea doesn't want reunification and the US definitely does not want to undergo another nation building exercise.

The whole loading up B-1 bombers was saying , 'Hey, we don't want to nuke you or destroy your nation, please just stop fucking with us. We can end you anytime we want, just shut the fuck up.' North Korea doesn't understand anything but shows of strength and the US has stopped giving them anything everytime they ratchet up their nuclear talk and nuclear program. Fatboy is looking for a handout which he's not getting, so he's throwing a temper tantrum.

A large part of this is China's fault; they should have assassinated the Kim family a long time ago and replaced the leadership with a military junta of NK generals favorable to them. They let the family just murder all their opposition, while snickering how NK was a huge thorn in the side of the US and appeared to be the 'reasonable ones'. But now that shit has come back to bite them in the ass. Now China has to deal with a literal cult state of insane people next to them, building ICBMs and threatening to lob them at the US. Which leaves the US no choice but to get involved. And China can't even calm the situation down because the fat fucking faggot is just as likely to nuke China if they cut off economic support. Its also a problem because China wants more economic power and legitimacy, and you really can't have that if you are friends with an insane warlord threatening to nuke everyone you want to do business with. And at the same time, China can't be seen doing the will of the US by removing Kim to its own population. The whole situation is so, so fucked.



The whole thing is fucking stupid. Obama responded the same way and was the one who instituted the current policy of no more handouts for nuclear temper tantrums anymore. Hilary would respond in the same way as well. Nobody wants war in North Korea except for North Korea. The Chinese paper was essentially saying to Kim, 'Hey asshole, if you do anything stupid, we're not going to fucking help you'. And also a message to the US that they may get involved if there's a pre-emptive strike (I don't think there would be. Again, that's just saying 'we can end you whenever we want, stop.'). The problem is Kim doesn't really give a shit and is just going to do whatever he wants.
Would you like to know how they excuted the leader of the pro China faction in the N. Korean government...

He was shot to death with an anti aircraft gun.
 
The sad thing is that China should have seen this coming and been a bit more forceful in their attempts to remove the family from power. Now they've went absolute batshit and there's really nothing China can do about it. I don't believe Trump when he said 'China wasn't doing enough'. It isn't that China wasn't, its that China can't. It is transparently obvious they no longer have any real influence over NK and they can't go full economic blockade on a crazy person. Who would then clearly backed into a corner with enemies on all sides with a starving population, running out of bribe material for generals, along with an unknown amount of nuclear weapons.

Yeah, they might not be able to hit shit like Guam or the US, but they can throw enough shitty missiles at China, Japan and SK to do some serious nuke damage.

Would you like to know how they excuted the leader of the pro China faction in the N. Korean government...

He was shot to death with an anti aircraft gun.

That guy was pro-China? Jesus Christ. Yeah, China has clearly lost control of NK. They just don't want a war so close to them and the refugee problem and the eventual nation building problem, because SK doesn't want to reunify, the US doesn't want to spend the money and China is stretched so thin economic-growth wise it would probably just collapse them.

China really, really fucked up by not doing more. Yeah, having someone be a pain to your economic and political enemy is nice, but now they've gone totally insane and you have no control. And its going to be your mess when he eventually loses his fucking mind when he launches a 'nuke test' at Guam. At that point, that's basically a deceleration of war. Nobody sane throws a 'nuclear test' at their enemies. Not even Pakistain and India did that shit. 'Yeah, we're going to nuke you eventually, what are you gonna do about it pussies lol'. Hopefully if that ever happens the one general who kept his mouth shut for 40 years just blasts fatty in the face with an AK.

That happened in 2013, he purged all pro china politburo and military officers, including some of his own family.

Back in 1957, the Chinese and the Soviets tried to remove Kim il sung and he reacted by purging the cabinet.

Too bad the Soviets and Chinese didn't manage to put two behind the ear of Kim Il Sung. Probably would have solved a lot of problems.
 
That happened in 2013, he purged all pro china politburo and military officers, including some of his own family.

Back in 1957, the Chinese and the Soviets tried to remove Kim il sung and he reacted by purging the cabinet.
The fact that China still supports the country despite the Kim family killing many of their own astounds me to no end. I get why China needs NK around as a buffer state, but they really should have been more prepared in case some insane wack-job like Fatty decides to threaten the world and make plans to actually go through with it.

Those saying Kim is suicidal (myself included) is pretty much right- The man wants to start WWIII against the world. And despite numerous attempts from everyone, not just Trump, to get them to back the fuck off. He won't listen. He'll never give up the nukes, missiles or chemical bombs until he and the rest of the Norks are dead. And even then there's still the risk of casualties in the neighboring countries. China could should have prevented this shit from happening when Il passed away and forced them to pick a new ruler. But no, let his mentally insane fatass son play with potential world-dooming weapons. That sure is a good idea. :roll:

Again, I get why the Chinese don't want a war, practically no one, not even the US wants one. The problem is that Un's not going to let it go, and Trump and his allies ain't putting up with that shit anymore. And China needs to smarten the fuck up and realize that just talking to the man isn't going to work. I have read somewhere (forgot to save the article) that China is finally starting to look into the possibility that maybe the Nork's aren't good people, but as far as I'm concerned. It's getting to the point where it's too late unless the government either cuts Kim off completely or attacks him first.
 
If the Norks get around to nuking China out of spite, the global economy will be screwed because it takes time to relocate manufacturing to the US and the loss of so much assets will cause stock prices to drop.
 
They didn't stop showing those movies because we have a better strategy now but because all they did was constantly remind people our sole strategy for civilians was "stick your head between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye."
To be fair, doing the whole "duck and cover" routine would provide some protection from the flying debris, heat, and flash if you were on the outskirts of a nuclear strike.
But yeah, that's just "first 15 minutes on the outskirts of the blast zone". Good luck surviving whatever the fuck comes after.
 
Economically speaking, America is vastly more important to China. China would love to give us a bloody nose, but they want to do it in the South China Sea, not the Korean peninsula. And they want to do it specifically by applying pressure on the Phillippines, Vietnam, and Indonesia in order to secure more favorable trade deals.
 
I can't fathom why SK didn't relocate their captial to, say, Busan at some point.
Germany relocated their political capital to Bonn during the times of the iron curtain (and to Berlin in 1999/2000).

Sure, it would have been a hassle, but it would have taken it out of NKs reach.
In case of a North Korean invasion, it would be way too close to the front lines, which obviously makes it very vulnerable to said hostile invasion, but there's also the problem of nuclear counterstrikes from the US.

Basically, the only reason why Germany was allowed to be re-militarized was to get a buffer between France and the USSR, so invading soviet forces could be slowed down long enough to use nuclear weapons to annihilate them. Essentially, that means in case of a soviet invasion, NATO would have launched their shortrange nuclear weapons towards Germany to blow up the entire soviet army while it's bogged down fighting the Bundeswehr.
I assume there was a similar strategy in place for South Korea in case North Korea and China would try to push south again...
 
To be fair, doing the whole "duck and cover" routine would provide some protection from the flying debris, heat, and flash if you were on the outskirts of a nuclear strike.
But yeah, that's just "first 15 minutes on the outskirts of the blast zone". Good luck surviving whatever the fuck comes after.
Honestly if it comes down to being nuked. I'd much rather be in the center of the blast zone. That's the best place to be during a nuclear war. Instant painless death.
 
Look on the bright side. If China does get nuked, and the global economy shits itself, it'll just hasten the already on its way manufacturing move to India
Given how pressured China is on all sides between the Norks and Indians, that's a likely possibility.
 
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