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[Tsunade-sama]

dbz's appeal is universal to men
i'd post the muslim goku memes if i saved any

Do not worry habibi

 

[MIU]

Miyazaki rarely does anything besides "war/humans bad, environment good".

How many movies of his have you seen? If I am going to be as charitable to your interpretation as possible, I can only really think of 3-4 out of 13 films (15 if you count movies he wrote like Whisper Of The Heart (Also a great film btw)), and even those that I can think of are REALLY stretching it. I don't really think Miyazaki is that on-the-nose with his environmental messaging and I have always just seen his films as appreciating nature rather than hating humans for desecrating it.

While Satoshi's work had a lot more bite than just be pretty pictures with a plot for kid.

Miyazaki's films are not just "pretty pictures with a plot for a kid", this is an extreme reduction of his work. To the point where I question whether you are either baiting or just have a dislike of him due to things external to his films.

I meant rot as most anime directors eventually shit the bed, not sure if Miyazaki as well, his latest works are more divisive.

But have you SEEN them? Are you really judging the quality of works not by their own merits, but by what other people have said of them? Miyazaki is one of the few cases of a director of anime actually creating bolder and more interesting works later in life rather than stagnating.

Also I fucking hate Castle Of Cagliostro, completely sterilized Lupin from anything that makes him great into generic romantic thief. It's only good if you never watched Lupin media or think it as problematic.

I heavily disagree, Cagliostro's interpretation is meant to be an aged up Lupin after the events of the 1972 Green Jacket series who has grown out of his more reckless days. I think as a conclusion to that character, it works perfectly fine. Lupin doesn't always have to be the way he is presented in the manga and can absolutely take on different forms and be interesting, it's why I love Lupin across all the wildly different interpretations of him over the years. Not to mention it's just a perfect action adventure film.

 

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Miyazaki rarely does anything besides "war/humans bad, environment good". While Satoshi's work had a lot more bite than just be pretty pictures with a plot for kid. I meant rot as most anime directors eventually shit the bed, not sure if Miyazaki as well, his latest works are more divisive.

Also I fucking hate Castle Of Cagliostro, completely sterilized Lupin from anything that makes him great into generic romantic thief. It's only good if you never watched Lupin media or think it as problematic.

I heavily disagree, it's nowhere near bad. It is a different character altogether and honestly that makes it an awful adaptation, but it's not a bad movie.

I heavily disagree, Cagliostro's interpretation is meant to be an aged up Lupin after the events of the 1972 Green Jacket series who has grown out of his more reckless days. I think as a conclusion to that character, it works perfectly fine. Lupin doesn't always have to be the way he is presented in the manga and can absolutely take on different forms and be interesting, it's why I love Lupin across all the wildly different interpretations of him over the years. Not to mention it's just a perfect action adventure film.

It makes sense this way, but sadly Cagliostro is one of the few pieces of the Lupin franchise that actually IS solidly anchored within a specific context. You even have a piece of newspaper giving you the exact date (1967 or 1968) at one point, while i think the series is indeed set in 1971. There's also the weird thing that him having met Clarisse 10 years ago adds, which implies he's been active since the late 50's, which would make him at least like in his early 40's by the time of Part II (which is specifically set in 1977-1978, once again confirmed by the newspaper clippings you see in the show including one about a singer caught doing weed that actually happened irl during these years. It's not a problem, but it does make him a tad old.
In general i think it would have been a great decision if the showrunners actually decided to build a coherent timeline, but they didn't.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Is it still considered unpopular to say he was better then Ghibli. Also had the sense to die before the rot set in.

"Thank God the cancer took away a brilliant mind before he got too old and out of touch." Bro wtf is this statement.

Boy And The Heron are fantastic films

The Boy and the Heron didn't have the Ghibli charm and felt pretentious even though it was a thematic mess once the protagonist went into the tower. Seriously, man-eating parakeets for whatever reason? Fucking sperm spirits getting eaten by pelicans? What? Enjoy your plush nightmare fuel, I guess.

 

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Also I fucking hate Castle Of Cagliostro, completely sterilized Lupin from anything that makes him great into generic romantic thief. It's only good if you never watched Lupin media

Also now that i think of it what the fuck are you talking about a solid 100% of adaptations of Lupin III are sanitized.
Except MAYBE the old live-action movie, but Lupin doesn't do much in that.
EVERYTHING past the second half of Part I uses Cagliostro Lupin as a base character. The Mystery of Mamo is slightly different, but even then he's mostly like Part II Lupin in that.
The Madhouse movies (and the shitty series) both have diet manga Lupin. He barely kills, hardly does anything and all their movies have the classic Lupin movie syndrome of him just getting dragged along events without actually doing anything, just so he can do generic goodguy shit at the end.
Hell come to think of it i don't think there's a long Lupin adaptation where he actually gets laid (the opposite in the manga, he does shag Fujiko in her first story), save for again that old live-action movie.

It's been this way since Part I, EVEN if the first episodes did borrow some things from the manga. Anime Jigen isn't Manga Jigen. Anime Goemon isn't Manga Goemon. Same for Fujiko, Zenigata, etc... I could go on and on about the changes to the characters but the manga has quite literally never been adapted accurately.

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

I recently got the 5 Conan DVD sets that Funimation released under their S A.V.E. label, especially since everything is basically going out of print because of Crunchyroll's bullshit.

Basically Funi's entire catalog is now rare. (Lodoss War, Hell Girl, and Death Parade especially)

 

[MIU]

which would make him at least like in his early 40's by the time of Part II (which is specifically set in 1977-1978, once again confirmed by the newspaper clippings you see in the show including one about a singer caught doing weed that actually happened irl during these years. It's not a problem, but it does make him a tad old.

Erm, ackshyuwally, part 2 is in a different continuity. Miyazaki did the whole "fake lupin" thing in Farewell My Beloved Lupin to imply that the version of Lupin we've seen the whole show wasn't actually the real Lupin, and the "real lupin" in the episode was the one from part 1 and Cagliostro. At least in his headcanon anyways.

The Boy and the Heron didn't have the Ghibli charm and felt pretentious even though it was a thematic mess once the protagonist went into the tower. Seriously, man-eating parakeets for whatever reason? Fucking sperm spirits getting eaten by pelicans? What? Enjoy your plush nightmare fuel, I guess.

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Also now that i think of it what the fuck are you talking about a solid 100% of adaptations of Lupin III are sanitized.

Well, some are more sanitized than others. In part 2 he can still sometimes be a morally questionable character while in part 4 and 5 he tends to just be a straight up hero (Still love part 4 and 5 (5 a bit less)).

 

[Damien Thorne]

The original Boogiepop Phantom anime series is one of my personal favorites. It is oddly intelligent for the YA horror genre.

The more recent series can fuck off, though.

 

[I Know 孤独のせい]

I only watched the first part of Lupin III and liked it but every time I wanted to continue with the series I was reminded that part 2 has 155 episodes, and then I decided to do something else with my time.

 

[MIU]

Also third episode of GITS dropped, this show is really horny for some reason. I also REALLY dislike the way the scene about constructed memories is done, if this is exactly how the original did it then fuck me, Oshii just did it better.

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This was one of my favorite scenes in the film, it was extremely effective and disturbing. Did the original really just play it off as a joke at the end? Like everything in this damn show feels wrong. There's just no sincerity in any moment. I don't mind if the tone is lighter but it feels like it undercuts any serious moment that it is able to have with some kind of joke or gag. I've seen some people (/a/) critique the Oshii film for being "emo", but I'd rather have something overly sincere than something that is just postmodernist wankery

 

[7.62x38mmR]

I only watched the first part of Lupin III and liked it but every time I wanted to continue with the series I was reminded that part 2 has 155 episodes, and then I decided to do something else with my time.

The trick with Part II is that it's episodic. Like completely. You just put on a random episode while you eat and enjoy Lupin talking about how Casanova is the Santa Claus of sex. Or have him pretend to be a woman.
Some episodes are kino, most are meh, some are absolute slop. It's only the last 3 parts that really have an underlying plot, even if they're not that good themselves and have some entirely self-contained episodes.

 

[MIU]

I only watched the first part of Lupin III and liked it but every time I wanted to continue with the series I was reminded that part 2 has 155 episodes, and then I decided to do something else with my time.

You don't need to watch all of it (I did and I adore it, still. But I also get that most other people don't feel like watching 200 episodes), the show is episodic to the core. You don't really need any prior context to jump into any episode. I'd definitely recommend watching the Telecom episodes if you want the most polished episodes visually. Telecom had Yasuo Otsuka from part 1 working on it, and Miyazaki returns for 2 of these episodes. This is also the studio that would work on a lot of 90s American cartoons from Animaniacs to Batman TAS. This article is a pretty good guide on what staff worked on what episodes and some cool information

Telecom also did Castle Of Cagliostro, Plot of the Fuma Klan and Farewell to Nostradamus. The latter two are BEAUTIFUL movies visually with absolutely fantastic animation, but suffer from lackluster writing for the most part. I still really love Nostradamus, it's a very fun action adventure film (Though it seems to be really confused on what audience it's trying to appeal to, you will get full frontal Fujiko nudity but then there's also moments where it focuses on the kid characters and feels more juvenile, the plot is a bit unfocused in general and I feel like it should have just taken place entirely in the building, which is an interesting enough setting anyways, and make it a Lupin-themed Die Hard).

But there's plenty of great stuff in the show, episodes like 58, 69 and 115 are some of my favorite Lupin stories period. The show can be a 10/10 at best, and a 4/10 at worst. But even the 4/10 episodes I still love because I love Lupin.

 

[I Know 孤独のせい]

Well maybe I'll give Part 2 a go and see how it is.

I also REALLY dislike the way the scene about constructed memories is done, if this is exactly how the original did it then fuck me, Oshii just did it better.

The current adaptation is more or less a 1:1 recreation of the manga.

Like everything in this damn show feels wrong. There's just no sincerity in any moment

I would go as far as denying the show/manga any sincerity but that exactly the reaction many people were anticipating from people unfamiliar with the source material. Especially when compared to the 1995 movie it feels like they are two separate IPs that have nothing in common.

 

[MIU]

I would go as far as denying the show/manga any sincerity but that exactly the reaction many people were anticipating from people unfamiliar with the source material.

Well, I feel like there is a severe lack of sincerity at the moment. As said, this may change. I'm not going to make any definitive statements until it's done. But I really don't like how it treats it's subject matter.

I also hated the robots, until I found out they were voiced by Chiyo from Azumanga, and now I like them.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Basically Funi's entire catalog is now rare. (Lodoss War, Hell Girl, and Death Parade especially)

JFC. Outside of Death Parade, I'm trying to think of what FUNi titles I even still want in my collection. I just pick up whatever catches my eye in thrift stores.

Also third episode of GITS dropped, this show is really horny for some reason.

I don't know why you're so shocked. Everything Shirow Masamune does is horny af.

 

[Professor Donger]

Also third episode of GITS dropped, this show is really horny for some reason. I also REALLY dislike the way the scene about constructed memories is done, if this is exactly how the original did it then fuck me, Oshii just did it better.

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This was one of my favorite scenes in the film, it was extremely effective and disturbing. Did the original really just play it off as a joke at the end? Like everything in this damn show feels wrong. There's just no sincerity in any moment. I don't mind if the tone is lighter but it feels like it undercuts any serious moment that it is able to have with some kind of joke or gag. I've seen some people (/a/) critique the Oshii film for being "emo", but I'd rather have something overly sincere than something that is just postmodernist wankery

We had an entire conversation a while ago about how GiTS was a lot more humorous/Horny in the Manga

You really need to go back and read the Ghost in the Shell manga, dude. It IS funny, it does have some funny moments and bits of levity but they're character moments, not shonen esc slapstick humor as you'd see in Dragon Ball. A lot of the comedy is poking at things that a boss would poke at, or just things that would happen IRL.


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The comedy is all shit you'd see or hear that would happen in a workplace or between cops, or because of some personality shit. It's not cringe Marvel humor like you've been saying. Maybe later volumes get worse, idk but at least up until Chapter 9 the story takes itself really seriously, with little moments of levity to give the reader a bit to breathe. Chapter 6 is especially dark, so having a few comedy moments to remind the reader that these people, despite their robotics and augments ARE human is nice to have.

The nudity in Ghost in the Shell has always kind of been a vector to make sure people know that the characters aren't fully human physically anymore from what I understand. The Major is explored through nudity and sexual dress obviously, but there is also just nudity surrounding other no-name characters that's kind of used to show "hey this person isn't fully human anymore." Like just skimming the chapters since I do need to get back to bed, most of this isn't sexual (meaning it's trying to get you horny)

 

[MIU]

I don't know why you're so shocked. Everything Shirow Masamune does is horny af.

Well, never engaged with Shirow's work directly . That's more on me, though.

We had an entire conversation a while ago about how GiTS was a lot more humorous/Horny in the Manga

I kinda disagree with the post linked if the humor in this adaptation is entirely identical to what was shown in the manga. The humor reminds me of Dr. Stone, and that's not a good thing when you're doing a dystopian sci-fi thriller. It doesn't really feel like natural banter to me and mostly feels forced.

Maybe I should just read the manga to get a better idea, feels like I'm being fed pre-chewed food.

 

[Professor Donger]

Maybe I should just read the manga to get a better idea, feels like I'm being fed pre-chewed food.

I haven't seen the anime past the first episode, been too busy so they could have changed it a bit. I'll have to watch it more and then compare. My interpretation of the mangas humor was mainly from me speed reading it for that argument though, which definitely colored things on my end.

Definitely going to go back and reread the manga slower this time

 

[Oddjob OTP]

This was one of my favorite scenes in the film, it was extremely effective and disturbing. Did the original really just play it off as a joke at the end? Like everything in this damn show feels wrong. There's just no sincerity in any moment. I don't mind if the tone is lighter but it feels like it undercuts any serious moment that it is able to have with some kind of joke or gag. I've seen some people (/a/) critique the Oshii film for being "emo", but I'd rather have something overly sincere than something that is just postmodernist wankery

I disagree that it was treated like a joke; it ended on a joke. There's a difference. Everyone treated him appropriately and seriously, the "joke" was that he didn't want to explain why he no longer bitches about his divorce 24/7 because "I was given fake memories as part of a plot to mind control an embassy worker" is a long embarrassing explanation (even assuming he can explain anything, I wouldn't be surprised if they gag ordered him on the way out).

I have more tonal issues with ending that story and then going into Fuchikoma revolution omake but that was the way it was in the manga so ehhh.

 

[MIU]

I disagree that it was treated like a joke; it ended on a joke. There's a difference. Everyone treated him appropriately and seriously, the "joke" was that he didn't want to explain why he no longer bitches about his divorce 24/7 because "I was given fake memories as part of a plot to mind control an embassy worker" is a long embarrassing explanation (even assuming he can explain anything, I wouldn't be surprised if they gag ordered him on the way out).

I have more tonal issues with ending that story and then going into Fuchikoma revolution omake but that was the way it was in the manga so ehhh.

I guess my problem is this: Imagine you just found out your wife and daughter have been a lie and completely fake, your child, your pride and joy, all of it have been lies. Worse yet, these memories cannot be removed and your emotional attachment to these fictional people is still there and probably will always be. How do you come to terms with this? How do you even go on after something so important has not just been stripped away, but never been there to begin with?

Well apparently you just get back to work the next day after a single crying session and go "well hey, guess i dont gotta deal with divorce anymore lmao"