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Garfield looks like a black cat in the blue channel of RGB:

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(original image at Файл:Garfield the Cat.svg — Википедия)
 
Did my yearly re-watch of Coonskin, one of my top 10. All the tastier when you know blacks were the most vocal fans of it and told the race hustlers like Jessie Jackson to cram it when they tried to pearl clutch about the flick.
 
HodgePodgeRogerDodger dijo:
Watching movies with my brothers and cousins kids, my sister-in-law put on Brave. I fucking hate Brave, John Lassiter knew that the entire thing was a garbage premise because the female writer got pissy her mommy issues story got criticized. If my boy John “Let me press up on those sweater puppies” Lassiter had his way, we’d get something actually interesting drawing on Scottish myth.

The fucking bear shit is so dumb. If you are going to work it into the story than have Merida bargain with some fairy queen and she can’t archery her way out of it. The antagonist is as stately as her mother or whatever. The Wil-of-the-Wisps are basically a bad cameo. It does not surprise me that they had to get a different director the premise as I have been told is the precursor to therapy movies and therapy animation shows.

Female archery in general as a meme pisses me off. The amount of upper body strength and training needed make it not a good fit for women. If you are gonna do warrior woman shit please do something else. I am not opposed to women having martial pride and discipline.

Brave walked so Turning Red could walk and imply a girl producing CP to sell for profit.
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Archery is so lame I genuinely think the movie would be marginally less forgotten if she used a sword or something instead.
 
Cave Fisher dijo:
Archery is so lame I genuinely think the movie would be marginally less forgotten if she used a sword or something instead.
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Women could probably be okay with something like a magic crossbow, but no woman could be remotely competent with something like the English longbow. It required such intense upper body strength you had to be trained for it from the age of seven or so with daily practice just to be good with it as an adult.
 
AnOminous dijo:
Women could probably be okay with something like a magic crossbow, but no woman could be remotely competent with something like the English longbow. It required such intense upper body strength you had to be trained for it from the age of seven or so with daily practice just to be good with it as an adult.
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Just imagine Brave if Merida was super jacked from exercising her upper body.

"Do ye even lift, Mum?"
 
AnOminous dijo:
It required such intense upper body strength you had to be trained for it from the age of seven or so with daily practice just to be good with it as an adult.
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I haven't watched the movie in a long time, didn't Merida pick up archery from when she was a wee lass, or at least as a result of her close encounter with the bear in the prologue?
 
Meridas main crime imo is that outside of shooting some arrows for fun she really doesnt do shit making her boring af. Like she doesnt even have the aspiration to be a girlboss hunter or warmongerer or anything, theres nothing she wants, just a few things she does not want to do and thats kinda it. Her only personality is tomboying around all over the place and being a brat.

Realistic ig but that makes it difficult to not root for her to get her ass in line and do her traditional duty if she doesn't even try to find a worthwile and productive alternative that suits her better.

And it makes her EXTRA forgettable when the other main archery girl of the time (katniss) actually had a reason to need to practice archery (food) and also just had way more likeable traits and a more interesting story in general
 
AnOminous dijo:
It required such intense upper body strength you had to be trained for it from the age of seven or so with daily practice just to be good with it as an adult.
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That's not necessarily true. The modern English archer Joe Gibbs started shooting longbow when he was about 13 and nowadays he's shooting a longbow that's 160 pounds as his lightweight everyday bow and a 200 pound longbow as his heavyweight bow. Women simply can't do it because they lack the upper body strength even with training and conditioning, and that comes down to simple differences in the frame of the female body since you draw a longbow mainly with your back and shoulders and not so much your arms. Women would probably top out at like 80-120 pounds for the world's beefiest women and Merida is certainly not that. With that said I'd be willing to believe that Merida could pull a smaller poundage bow like a 60 pounder, which was typical for hunting bows of the day, it was only really the warbows that went above eighty or so pounds as far as we can tell.
SpiderBitch dijo:
Meridas main crime imo is that outside of shooting some arrows for fun she really doesnt do shit making her boring af. Like she doesnt even have the aspiration to be a girlboss hunter or warmongerer or anything, theres nothing she wants, just a few things she does not want to do and thats kinda it.
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What Merida wants is to be accepted for who she is, but the issue is that who she is isn't terribly interesting or dynamic. She's basically Baby's First Anti-Cinderella and you can really feel the writer's unresolved mommy issues come through in the script. Merida is childish, she wants everyone to leave her alone and accept her for who she is without reservation or judgement yet she does absolutely nothing to meet anyone half-way nor does she extend the same courtesy to others in favor of being a judgy bitch the whole film. And this bears (heh) itself out in the plot since the movie is boring and very little actually happens.
 
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Sleazy Car Salesman dijo:
What Merida wants is to be accepted for who she is, but the issue is that who she is isn't terribly interesting or dynamic. She's basically Baby's First Anti-Cinderella and you can really feel the writer's unresolved mommy issues come through in the script. Merida is childish, she wants everyone to leave her alone and accept her for who she is without reservation or judgement yet she does absolutely nothing to meet anyone half-way nor does she extend the same courtesy to others in favor of being a judgy bitch the whole film. And these bears (heh) itself out in the plot since the movie is boring and very little actually happens.
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The movie seems to have a very... idk, confused? Message in general. The main/only person opressing Meridas interests was her mom. Not just her male relatives but also her suitors seemed pretty chill with her being a tomboy (and also seem easy to push around) and its not like she has any aspirations so if her future husband dont gaf she wouldve been free to do pretty much everything she wanted anyways as a wife/mother still.

Really, the only sympathetic point is being wedded off at 16 (something objectively actually bad mixed into the bratty whining) but that feels almost disconnected from everything else and was also solved extremely easily. Forced conflict with forced easy resolution.
 
The only compliment I see Brave get outside of the animation is that it's unique to have a mother and daughter relationship. I don't see why it matters. I don't see what changed.

Comparing Merida and Elinor to other parent child relationships in Disney or Pixar the main difference that sticks out is more screen time dedicated to it. Is it really that different from something like Ariel and Triton, who have the same "Don't you understand how important this is!? I'm so mad that you won't listen! I'm gonna break something important to you and you're gonna run off and make a deal with a witch!" thing going on? Of the differences between those examples, how many are because of their different story circumstances and how many are because GiRlS?

I don't see why I should care when it's the exact same disapproving parent thing. I don't have anything against using that trope but if it's getting tauted as new and unique when it isn't then so what? It follows the same formula it normally does. The disapproving parents always love and do what they need for their kids at the end. That's how it works. Everyone hates Buck Cluck and even he came around to Chicken Little's side by the end.

The movie also came out when they started starting every film with the protagonist as a baby (now you won't be able to stop noticing) so more cutesy parent-baby stuff than the earlier ones just because that was a button they like pushing now. If Ratatouille came out five years later it probably would've opened with him being a baby rat and Django interacting with baby him, too.
 
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SpiderBitch dijo:
Really, the only sympathetic point is being wedded off at 16
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To which I reply "in those days that was common" which doesn't make it right per se but it takes all the wind out of Merida's sails when she is very much an adult and still acts like a modern spoiled brat, much to the movie's detriment. The issue isn't that she's a free spirited tomboy, the issue is that she's childish and bitchy the whole film.
Scientifically Inaccurate dijo:
I don't see why I should care when it's the exact same disapproving parent thing. I don't have anything against using that trope that but if it's getting tauted as new and unique when it isn't then so what? The disapproving parents always love and do what they need for their kids at the end. That's how it works. Everyone hates Buck Cluck and even he came around to Chicken Little's side by the end.
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The reason why they did it was because Brave was the prototype for the mommy issue therapy movies of the 2010s/2020s and just served as a way for the lead writer to bitch about how much she hates her mom. Presumably because her mom wanted her to get a real job and grow up.
 
Scientifically Inaccurate dijo:
The movie also came out when they started starting every film with the protagonist as a baby (now you won't be able to stop noticing) so more cutesy parent-baby stuff than the earlier ones just because that was a button they like pushing now. If Ratatouille came out five years later it probably would've opened with him being a baby rat and Django interacting with baby him, too.
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Imagine baby lighting mcqueen

Tho I think the flashbacks at the start of almost every movie now are less fan service and moreso just a cheap way to make an audience feel more connected to a character, bc 'zomg i watched them grow up' or just lazy writing always having to start with the origin of what the character cares most about in the movie
 
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