Euphoric Christian Fatigue Thread

[Powerhouse of the Cell]

They didn't die out, they just merged with the regular secular liberals,

They died out because you do not see explicit anti-theist sentiments amongst shitlibs like there used to be.
If there is no anti-theist activism, then it's dead.

preachers because they are behind the MAGA nazis that will create handmaid's tale.

Because they hate Western civilization in general more than they just hate Christians.
They would have problem persecuting atheist non-shitlibs as much as the Christians. It would make no difference if those MAGA people were not Christians, they just hate Western Civilization.

This is why I said "for chinese standards" and even then it's not that "conservative"

"Conservatism" isn't a thing like shitliberry is because most of what falls under the umbrella of "conservative ideology" are just timeless universals of how human societies function.
What "Chinese standard" of conservatism are you talking about?

They don't like feminism, trannies, LGBT rainbow sloppery, civilization destroying moves like mass migration.
That's all that matters that keeps their societies at float, if Atheism was this progressive cancer spreading thing that you talk about it, then China and Japan should have been wiped out long ago.

The way they act does not change the fact that the overwhelming majority of self proclaimed atheists are progressive and zoomers are not that different in this trend, far more than Christians.

Sure, but it changes the dynamic between what political vs religious division of politics within us Zoomers.
If you encounter a Zoomer, whether they are a Christian or not plays little to no role into how likely they are to be a shitlib or none shitlib.
I am telling you as a Zoomer, that whether we are a Christian or not plays little to no role into whether we are shitlibs or not.

I have seen many Zoomers my own age wear Christian crosses who willingly hung out with the LGBT crowd and protest Trump's executive orders with walk outs in High School.
Those "Other" in that link could be Buddhists or Shintos which truth to be told are not truly Theistic religions in a sense, and you do not know of the political affilitations of Zoomers who are in religions that don't belong to the Abrahamic religions.

 

[AMHOLIO]

What the fuck

What the fuck 2

The intricacies and differences of the understanding of our whole world and the culture of the time are miles away from the culture wars we have now. Not only that, it's condensing ~1000 years of history into a comparable culture war that we've been having since like... the 1950s? if you want to try and trace modern day thought back that far. And there's still a great deal different between the progressivism before and after the 80s and culture wars post Web 2.0 in particular. But it is such a massive gloss over of time and the culture of multiple European areas with their own languages and internal conflicts, not to mention a lot of mini episodes about the rise and fall of different dynasties and people in the church and out out of it. While we have all the same feelings and drives our ancestors did, we have a much harder time grasping the context and culture. The past can be a truly foreign world even if they speak the same language as you.

I'm sure there are some sagas that do mirror our current religious and cultural views, but we are comparing such a short amount of time (I'll say anywhere from the 90s to Now for modern internet and politics affecting the discussion) to 500 to 1000 years of history across multiple cultures. The simplification is insane.

A bunch of my neighbors are hardcore protestants and they 100% think Catholics aren't Christians. It's the only based opinion they have.

Nothing's funnier than not only hating another denomination, but actively saying straight up they're not true Christian. Especially when other denominations talk about mormons.

I'm of the camp that since they are the original Christianity, I do think they're Christian, but people who decided their saint worship & rituals deviate too much from what was written about false idols & such are fine too.

despite not being religious at all.

This is a common misconception due to how ingrained religion is and how it is viewed. I remember that people in Japan consider others religious if they are actually a monk, a priest, or other sort of active religious role rather than going to a shine & praying or believing in spirits. There's more who do that instead of straight up not believing.

China's history with religion is scattered and bafflingly hard to comprehend. While commies tried to stamp everything out, a lot still stayed. Classic Chinese beliefs and superstition still is ingrained into the people for the most part, with ancestor worship, regional hero worship, and various deities worshipped. Taoism & Buddhism are blended in, and lots of Confuciuian principles are followed. There's not as many religious officials or as much structure around it, but you bet there's still some Chinese people out there asking for exorcisms and other relgious services. There's still plenty of businesses with shrines for money and homes with shrines for ancestors. It's hard to describe since China is a huge conglomerate mash up of several different kingdoms and ethnicities who enjoyed arguing and fighting with each other for thousands of years until more recent times where modern Chinese government emerged and tried to smush everything into one, with mixed results. It is weird as hell to look at, and in a country with so many people in so many different areas, super hard to keep track of since there's no religious leaders or big organizations - not unless you want the commies to smother you for trying to get a piece of the control pie.

The CCP also introduced worship of the party into the daily life of their subjects, of course, so you have ancestor/political party crossover worship.

Those "Other" in that link could be Buddhists or Shintos which truth to be told are not truly Theistic religions in a sense, and you do not know of the political affilitations of Zoomers who are in religions that don't belong to the Abrahamic religions.

Hello, welcome to my sperg hour. If we talk about western Buddhism which spawned more from orientalism & the new age movement, then yes. That was born out of westerners being dissatisfied with their own current religious times and incorporating practices from other cultures for a change without grasping all of it. If we're talking not-new-age Buddhism, there definitely are gods. Which ones depend on branch and region - there's basically as many denominations of Buddhism as there are Christianity. They can also be tied to nation and language, and can stumble into nationalism or cross over with local traditions like Christianity does.

Your zoomer Buddhists are likely new age spergs first and formost, and much more likely to follow the "philosophy" aspect. While some get into Buddhism and go deeper as a practicing religion, young people are currently trying out how they react to things, how they want their beliefs to work, and how they identify and relate to it. As in, they're doing a baby's first religious tour that's popular at that age. They're more likely to settle for a religion that has either more adherents to it for the community or something closer to what they grew up with, like Buddhism with Christianity traits.

Edit: Proper link.

 

[daffodils]

If we're talking not-new-age Buddhism, there definitely are gods.

Wrong link?

 

[AMHOLIO]

Wrong link?

Oh, my apologies. Kiwis are not celebrated in any Buddhism branch. Correct one.

 

[Do Not Touch Me Pls]

I'm sure there are some sagas that do mirror our current religious and cultural views, but we are comparing such a short amount of time (I'll say anywhere from the 90s to Now for modern internet and politics affecting the discussion) to 500 to 1000 years of history across multiple cultures. The simplification is insane.

Do you know that the elites can now destroy multiple civilizations in 20 years from the inside as opposed to the usual centuries because the methods have improved significantly?

And no, they did not die out, they still exist and are getting more and more radicalized, to the point many are advocating for China-style prosecution against preachers. You just don't see the buzz around it because they wormed themselves in progressivism instead of defining their positions only in non theism

If China, Japan or SK didn't do that, then DEI and mass illegal flooding (not multiculturalism, mass illegal flooding) would go completely out of control and the elites won't even need to instigate WW3, they can just blow everything up from the inside and then skip straight to total collectivism by now.

3 years later everyone will be living in mud huts and dying of malaria or fetanyl overdose instead of America "just" undergoing a communist upheaval.

It's a grim timeline.

 

[Male Idiot]

The jujugum worship is definately on its way out. That's why Bibi is cashing out on Greatest Ally. The psyop's creator is sensing that the jig is up and it is time to get as much milage out of it as they can.

But that doesn't mean we won't hear of Jesus in the future. Religions evolve and change.

Mormons may form their own branch, plus the Latin American blood cult voodoo catholic mix may actually work out.

As the spiritual indian pointed out, modern christianity is weak and lame. However whatever aztec inspired blood crusade the spics will make will be perhaps properly virile and jihadistic.

The future may have some brown Cartel Crusades in it. I wonder if they'll transfer Vatican authority over there and if they do so, where. Rome becoming an islamic city would speed this up by a century or two.

As for fedora tipping shitlibs, the problem is that they needed to be reigned in as not to offend Hindu, Muslim and Wicca lgbt allies.

 

[Irreedemable Ret. 2]

They died out because you do not see explicit anti-theist sentiments amongst shitlibs like there used to be.

I already mentioned that they explicitly call for prosecution of preachers and banning of them like what happens in China.

Because they hate Western civilization in general more than they just hate Christians.
They would have problem persecuting atheist non-shitlibs as much as the Christians. It would make no difference if those MAGA people were not Christians, they just hate Western Civilization.

Their vitriol is clearly more reserved for christians. Some go as far as doing non-scotman and say that these atheists are "de facto Christian"
They equal christianity with their enemies, this is clear.

"Conservatism" isn't a thing like shitliberry is because most of what falls under the umbrella of "conservative ideology" are just timeless universals of how human societies function.
What "Chinese standard" of conservatism are you talking about?

They don't like feminism, trannies, LGBT rainbow sloppery, civilization destroying moves like mass migration.
That's all that matters that keeps their societies at float, if Atheism was this progressive cancer spreading thing that you talk about it, then China and Japan should have been wiped out long ago.

You clearly don't know the level of "conservatism" Chinese society had before the CCP, way before.

Sure, but it changes the dynamic between what political vs religious division of politics within us Zoomers.
If you encounter a Zoomer, whether they are a Christian or not plays little to no role into how likely they are to be a shitlib or none shitlib.

I have seen many Zoomers my own age wear Christian crosses who willingly hung out with the LGBT crowd and protest Trump's executive orders with walk outs in High School.

Now at this point you are making shit up? Just because of your anecdotal experience means that zoomer atheists are actually based immigrant haters when the statistics show the opposite?

 

[Powerhouse of the Cell]

I remember that people in Japan consider others religious if they are actually a monk, a priest, or other sort of active religious role rather than going to a shine & praying or believing in spirits. There's more who do that instead of straight up not believing.

That kinda tracks. Because Shintoism in Japan is a lot more of a folk religion than an actual religion.
Doing a few rituals like praying to a shrine and just vaguely believing in the existence of spirits. It's not "religious" in the truest sense because religion is more than just ghosts or spirits, it's divine morality. Belief in a super high power that transcends all and determines all, not just that are some "ghosts" that walk among us.
There is a certain level to religiousness even within religions.

Low spirituality is that you believe that the world has some supernatural elements to it but they are nothing more than semi-powerful ghosts or spirits that walk the Earth but are not some sort of all powerful beings that can bend and shape reality and are ultimate divine authorities of morality.
This is what Shintoism in Japan can be classified into.

High Spirituality is believing that your reality is completely beneath the higher powers that be, and that everything about reality exists under the divine morality, authority and being of this higher power. We are nothing but ants to this higher power and our existence is completely centered on this higher power.
Christianity is this. This is why I can't really consider Japan to be truly Theistic even if have religion tied into their history.

You can make the case that Abrahamic religions might be the only religions that are truly Theistic, are at least the most Theistic out of others.

Their vitriol is clearly more reserved for christians. Some go as far as doing non-scotman and say that these atheists are "de facto Christian"

Then if that is the case, why are they not hating on non-western Christians like Africans? Why do they not hate Haiti for being majority Christian?

You clearly don't know the level of "conservatism" Chinese society had before the CCP, way before.

There's no "levels" to "conservatism" because it's not a thing, it's just how much you disbelieve in the hegemonic cult that exists today.
What "conservatism" is, is just being a person that doesn't believe in the hegemonic cult and mostly believes in timeless universals, like womens' roles in society, on gay people, on kinship.

Disbelieving in this is what it takes to be "Conservative." Whatever different type of "Conservatism" you think China had before hand isn't some "higher" type of it, just a different manifestation of it.
Not just that, basically every place on Earth has become "less conservative" nowadays than before disregarding religion, so this point does not say anything.

zoomer atheists are actually based immigrant haters when the statistics show the opposite?

That was not my point, my point is that for us Zoomers, whether we are Christian or not plays little to no role in whether we are shitlibs or not shitlibs. I am not making anything I am saying up, I have seen this first hand back in High School when political tensions were high back in 2019/2020 in anticipation for the next election.
You are clinging on to this outdated notion that there is some huge political disparity between Theists and non-theists, which would have been true previous generations but not anymore.

And I suspect, as Atheism continues rising, this well become less true as time goes on because any "conservative" person who would have been a Christian in the Millennial generation will be an Atheist due to the age of the internet we are living in allowing more free flow of information and footage that would make people much less inclined to believe supernatural events.
While they do often intersect, politics and religion are not a 1:1 association in every time of history. There is no inherent "conservatism" to believing in some higher power, it's just a belief. Nothing more.

And as time goes on, you will see this dissociation grow over time amongst Zoomers and Gen Alpha will follow through too.

 

[Cnidarian]

3 years later everyone will be living in mud huts and dying of malaria or fetanyl overdose instead of America "just" undergoing a communist upheaval.

This is @Fatpacks if he were a satanist for some reason.

 

[analrapist]

I searched this thread for "grace" and did not find it mentioned. Strange, given that this is what the thread pivots on. "Salvation is by grace through faith, not of works lest none should boast." I know there are a lot of people here who want to add on to the gospel of grace. By all means, go ahead. I'm a fellow with a "lewd name" (that's a cultural reference where the lewd meaning is the joke, and the intended meaning is elsewise because the namer is an autistic sperg without a theory of mind for others, but I digress) commenting on the faith once for all given to the saints. But again, grace is the pivot here.

Regardless of your eschatology, upon Christ's return, we are ruled by a rod of iron, not a priesthood of liberty and grace as we are today. What we see today is the longing of man for more than grace, more than the blood of Christ, thinking that his boastful works somehow relate. And so, I expect to see, eschatologically, what this thread documents: the motion of the institutions of the Christian religion towards an endgame that decenters grace. Decentering the property of God, grace, that enables our salvation, that Paul opens and closes all of his letters with, this is essential for Satan's pre- and post- millennial hubris.

The pivot of this thread is the graceless behavior of Christians. When Greek Orthodox bishops do "unbased" things like this https://outreach.faith/2023/11/at-f...y-people-urge-inclusion-for-lgbtq-christians/ https://orthochristian.com/154214.html grace is their justification for doing so, just like most other denominations, whether Roman, Evangelical, whatever.

 

[daffodils]

Normie Christians have discovered the e-crusaders and are freaking out

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This is a conservative denomination, btw:


They wrote a report (attached) where they condemn, among other things, the belief that "distinct ethnic groups should be preserved and protected" and "the doctrine that differences in human races extend beyond simply geography, appearance, and ancestry".




Whole report is worth reading because it provides plenty of biblical receipts for their position.

 

[Male Idiot]

Normie Christians have discovered the e-crusaders and are freaking out
Alan G. - Aaron De Boer of Bethany Associate Reformed Presbyterian Church (ARP)... [2065980497...mp4

This is a conservative denomination, btw:
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They wrote a report (attached) where they condemn, among other things, the belief that "distinct ethnic groups should be preserved and protected" and "the doctrine that differences in human races extend beyond simply geography, appearance, and ancestry".

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Whole report is worth reading because it provides plenty of biblical receipts for their position.

Of course a Chosen made religion would oppose preserving Whites. The chud crusaders are in for the same rude awakening as the LGBT for Islam crowd.

 

[darksydephloyd]

I voted for Euphoric Christians being more annoying but only because they should theoretically know better given that christianity is a religion of humiliation and so their arrogance and vanity is directly in contradiction with their proposed identity. Atheism has no coherent doctrine or moral values so of course it ends up just being about taking creative liberties with a banana.

 

[Slap47]

What is happening to Christianity is basically the same thing that happened with Paganism when Christianity caused the Roman Empire to collapse.

I think everything else you said is wrong, but you are right about this.

21st century Christianity for most people leads to them thinking "the world is ending anyway, why should we care about maintaining things" or "we should withdraw from society". In late antiquity Rome you saw the rise of ascetics and people accepting decline.

Nothing that currently defines being a chud necessitates religion and is, in fact, vulgarly materialistic and easily justified by secular means. Sexual dimorphism is a biological reality. IQ differs by race. Consult the graphs on the social decline that correlates with multiculturalism. Studies show being a faggot leads to dysfunctional lives. None of this depends on Scripture.

It is really simple. The old ones noticed trends and made rules with stories to warn people.

Why do religions emphasize being fruitful and multiplying? Because states and economies need bodies.

 

[Netizennameless]

There's another thing that befuddles me, Christianity is treated as this great universal truth but if you genuinely believe in eternal damnation then you might as well be playing Russian Roulette with all the denominations which exist. Sure they all agree on the basic premise that Jesus is their savior and he'll give them eternal life, but if a doctrinal misstep is enough to have the big JC chastising you, then can't you accidentally choose to be the wrong type of Christian and go to hell anyway?
Fuckin' bugged Salvation mechanics.

Chastising you is not the same as condemning you to hell, first off. Second, the Apostle Peter denied knowing Jesus three times to the Romans, a grave sin, and was forgiven and made head of the Church.

Matthew 7:15-20

Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

As a Christian, read the Bible for yourself and learn what it actually says. Do not let other people tell you what Jesus commands. This is repeated all across the Bible in many forms.

2nd Timothy 3:16

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Even across the various translations God's word shines through. He knew his words would be twisted and used by both Satan and man to serve their own purposes, but in doing so they unintentionally spread the seeds of faith. A true believer will seek out the truth, read for themselves and spot the lies and inconsistencies meant to lead them astray.

I 2nd this. To truly love God we must obey Him, and one of His commands is to provide for your family and especially to honor your parents. It doesn’t do away with these things, but upholds them.

The person with abusive parents who bristles at being commanded to honor their father and mother is no different than the homosexual who bristles at gay sex being an abomination to God, or the hateful racist that is commanded to love their neighbor. We all have to give up prioritizing ourselves and thinking we know better than God if we want to truly serve Him. It is a lot harder to actually be a Christian than it is to call yourself one.

If I remember correctly too, it was Abraham who was asked to sacrifice his son, but this was merely a test of obedience and God would never think such things are actually just as Abraham was told to stop before he could do it.

You are correct.

 

[Irreedemable Ret. 2]

Then if that is the case, why are they not hating on non-western Christians like Africans? Why do they not hate Haiti for being majority Christian?

Lmao you never browsed reddit? Blaming religion for countries being backwards is the norm among liberals, and many militant atheists use the word "secular" to sugarcoat their true beliefs.

That was not my point, my point is that for us Zoomers, whether we are Christian or not plays little to no role in whether we are shitlibs or not shitlibs. I am not making anything I am saying up, I have seen this first hand back in High School when political tensions were high back in 2019/2020 in anticipation for the next election.
You are clinging on to this outdated notion that there is some huge political disparity between Theists and non-theists, which would have been true previous generations but not anymore.

And I suspect, as Atheism continues rising, this well become less true as time goes on because any "conservative" person who would have been a Christian in the Millennial generation will be an Atheist due to the age of the internet we are living in allowing more free flow of information and footage that would make people much less inclined to believe supernatural events.
While they do often intersect, politics and religion are not a 1:1 association in every time of history. There is no inherent "conservatism" to believing in some higher power, it's just a belief. Nothing more.

And as time goes on, you will see this dissociation grow over time amongst Zoomers and Gen Alpha will follow through too.

All that yapping based in vague anecdotes when everything points out that the vast majority of atheist zoomers are Democrat and Progressive (in an American context) and this doesn't seem to change because the fearmongering about MAGA christian nationalists is a powerful force. It DOES play a role among zoomers. You say this is not your point, yet you talk about a large moviment of right-wing atheists rising based purely in anecdotes.

There's no "levels" to "conservatism" because it's not a thing, it's just how much you disbelieve in the hegemonic cult that exists today.
What "conservatism" is, is just being a person that doesn't believe in the hegemonic cult and mostly believes in timeless universals, like womens' roles in society, on gay people, on kinship.

Disbelieving in this is what it takes to be "Conservative." Whatever different type of "Conservatism" you think China had before hand isn't some "higher" type of it, just a different manifestation of it.
Not just that, basically every place on Earth has become "less conservative" nowadays than before disregarding religion, so this point does not say anything.

You know there are different kinds of conservatism depending on country and context, right?

 

[Powerhouse of the Cell]

st century Christianity for most people leads to them thinking "the world is ending anyway, why should we care about maintaining things" or "we should withdraw from society". In late antiquity Rome you saw the rise of ascetics and people accepting decline.

Christianity, like Paganism is becoming folk religion.

The Euphoric Christians pointed out in this thread, are the exact perfect example of this. And this explains why the Euphoric Christians act the way they do, they are more like "Folk Christians" than Christians.

One popular sect that I have seen Conservative white nationalist types move towards is Eastern Orthodoxy, just look at the aesthetic of that religion and compare it to Pagan aesthetics.
Don't they just give off similar vibes? It's basically what is happening to this dying religion, Paganism was once prominent, then Christianity which was the new liberal movement came in, destroyed Paganism and then became the new "conservative" religion, then Christianity became prominent, then Shitliberry being the new liberal movement is now destroying Christianity, it will eventually replace Christianity and then overtime become the new "conservative" ideology in society in the future.

This is the cycle of human history.

Lmao you never browsed reddit? Blaming religion for countries being backwards is the norm among liberals, and many militant atheists use the word "secular" to sugarcoat their true beliefs.

Are you talking about them blaming Haiti's backwards society on Colonialism and somewhat poking at Christianity because the European Empires happened to be Christian?
I mean, that's if they admit that those countries are backwards. But the thing is, what if the Europeans that colonized them were not Christian? You think they would hate European Empires less for the fact if they were Atheist? They don't hate Christianity in Haiti because it's Christian, they hate it because it's a symbol of European Colonialism.
If they were Atheist, they would be hating on Haiti for being Atheist.

You would be right if they hated Christianity for the pure reason of it being Christian, but that is clearly not the reason. If that were the case, they would dislike Christian Haitians because of them being Christian, not frame them as victims of Christian Colonialism.

points out that the vast majority of atheist zoomers are Democrat and Progressive (in an American context)

I never denied this, I am saying that vast majority of Christian Zoomers are democrat and Progressive in American contexts, meaning the whole thing about Atheist Zoomers being Democrat and Progressive doesn't matter.

You say this is not your point, yet you talk about a large moviment of right-wing atheists rising based purely in anecdotes.

I am not saying this right now, my main point was that Zoomer Christian are not right-wing and that there is no huge political intersectionality between Christianity and Conservatism anymore do to more Zoomers becoming Atheist and continuing to become Atheist. Christian Zoomers still being shitlibs despite being Christian Zoomers.
Zoomers on the left and right will continue leaving Christianity meanwhile keeping their politics.

You know there are different kinds of conservatism depending on country and context, right?

No, there isn't.
Conservatism is just being being liberal because being a conservative isn't a thing like being a liberal is.

Conservatism, is just believing in timeless universal truths, like stances on Ethnocentrism, Immigration, the role of women in society, stances on gays and lesbians and anything that come after those two, belief in the family unit.
These are universal truths that have evolved in all human societies. This is all Conservatism is, it's not a thing like Liberalism is and never was.
You can have different types of liberalism, like Communism or Transgenderism.

But not "conservatism" because it's not a thing, every human societies have these universal truths that are under the Umbrella term "conservative."

How Conservative you are is completely relative to how not liberal you are.

 

[Cnidarian]

There was one guy who did such a video, during which he more or less claims that the ancient Greek myth about Prometheus was an example of Satan trying to tell ancient humans a corrupted story of creation that made him the hero, and how the ancient Greek pantheon was actually all demons...and not, you know, just something the ancient Greeks came up with to explain their world.

(I'm taking the liberty to quote you all the way from here because it sounds like you'll take some mileage from this thread)
It's always an eyeroller when some kiwi calls any other religion demon worshippers, even the poopy ones, it's essentially handing recognition, authority, and a permanent identity to a hostile being that you could have allowed to languish in obscurity. This is another reason why screaming about 'Slaanesh' is idiotic, literally creating a new hostile entity to retroactively fuck with people that wanted to play with toy soldiers.