Open Source Software Community - it's about ethics in Code of Conducts

[Verdant]

That's exactly it. More choice is always better and one of the biggest strengths of this ecosystem. In the recent years there have been pushes to make linux userland monolithic and centralized, not only with Wayland. Corporate enshittification is probably really to blame, like the other poster said.

It feels very sinister especially since with what vitriol these "solutions" are pushed on everyone, often implying that having a choice is Actually A Bad Thing and basically telling you you're in the wrong for not using The Objectively Correct Software. Many moons ago, I used to visit /r/linux sometimes, just to stay up-to-date with what software is out there. Then systemd reached some kind of critical mass and it was like a switch was flipped and it was violently pushed on that subreddit and any kind of critique was verboten and removed, which made me stop visiting that place and many other places altogether. Because of the suddenness and aggressiveness with which systemd was pushed everywhere online, to this day I do not believe it was an organic development. Sadly it's hard to say as redditors especially like to behave like cattle. It sounds a bit tinfoil-y to say that big actors have a vested interest in Linux software becoming centralized to have better control over the people using Linux and to have a more direct access to zero days (that are actually effective because everything became homogenic), but is it really? Think of the amount of effort the US government poured into Stuxnet (which also pretty much proved that the US government is hoarding exploits) and that was in ~2009. It doesn't sound too crazy then.

I genuinely think the linux desktop got too mainstream for it's own good. It's a pity Microsoft is doing such a shitty job these days, but corporate greed knows no boundaries.

WL is a clusterfuck

the issue is that, X is an entire ecosystem of software, WL is just a spec for a barebones protocol that implements about 5% of the functionality of the Xorg server, and literally everything else is left up to the implementation.

I guess in a way it is more 'unixy', since X is this monolith where almost everyone is on the same implementation and uses the same APIs while with Wayland you can in theory do whatever you want. But that's because wayland basically doesn't exist, it's just a tiny spec serving as an umbrella term for vastly disparate and incompatible projects, whereas X was a common ground that all FOSS desktop software could expect to be present and rely on

And yes the conspiracies about Red Hat write themselves because the only way to make wayland really work is to have some big daddy step in and say 'ok here's your entire software stack filling out the other 95% of what X used to provide". And because big daddy is GNOME that stack is highly opinionated shit that isn't meant to be touched by the user in any way and extends all the way up to the desktop environment.

So then someone decides to do a proper open implementation of 'the other 95%' in WLR, but oops KDE has already started doing their own thing so now we have three. Then autistic nerds can't help themselves so we get smithay. And hyprland. And now we have 5 competing implementations that aren't compatible with each other and are back to the bad old days of what software you can use being dependent on what desktop environment you run. And not everything works in every stack. I switched to WL because I was experiencing the one real user facing issue that X has, which is there's no mixed DPI support. On WLR Xwayland still can't handle mixed DPI properly, on KDE it can. So if you want everything to actually work properly you gotta use K(rash)DE.

It's a load of BS and it's sad how it's been so politicized and turned into a left wing brave and stunning wayland tranny vs right wing evil racist X11 chud culture war. Technical flamewars have always been part and parcel of the nerd world but it just didn't used to be so nasty with the side you take seen as a proxy for your character and poltiics.

We absolutely deserved an 'X12' that just rewrites the X server and aims to replace it 1:1, or having Wayland be something like WLR from the start. But it's just too late now, even though Wayland is now at the point where most things mostly work the fragmentation is set in stone and won't go away unless someone else with Red Hat levels of $$$ decides to create a Wayland replacement designed with the philosophy that it should actually try to replace the X server.

 

[Rust Troony]

We absolutely deserved an 'X12' that just rewrites the X server and aims to replace it 1:1, or having Wayland be something like WLR from the start. But it's just too late now, even though Wayland is now at the point where most things mostly work the fragmentation is set in stone and won't go away unless someone else with Red Hat levels of $$$ decides to create a Wayland replacement designed with the philosophy that it should actually try to replace the X server.

It always baffles me seeing that wayland is 17 years old and is still not fully ready to use. Imagine if Microsoft somehow fucked up their display manager so bad it takes from windows 7 to now in order to get it somewhat working, they would be a even bigger laughing stock than they already are.

 

[306h4Ge5eJUJ]

It always baffles me seeing that wayland is 17 years old and is still not fully ready to use. Imagine if Microsoft somehow fucked up their display manager so bad it takes from windows 7 to now in order to get it somewhat working, they would be a even bigger laughing stock than they already are.

It's especially funny because X11 was merely 21 years old at the time Wayland was started in order to replace X11. They still have 4 years until something fucking hilarious happens.

 

[The Real Slim Shady]

How braindead does one have to be to believe this shit? Also this guy has already trooned out, he's just not aware of it yet.

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- Wikipedia: a huge free labor camp for autists with business model is centered around begging for donations;
- Linux: a hobby OS turned into a workhorse for every modern device, bukkake of corporate cost cutting and code reuse;
- git: side effect of Linux;
- Rust: A language created to let an intern write kernel code because good C programmers were too rare and expensive, also to make it cheaper to write drivers for Linux.

I have no idea about blender and python. I dont remember what program was blender modeled after (haha) but it was something expensive

 

[monk]

- Wikipedia: a huge free labor camp for autists with business model is centered around begging for donations;
- Linux: a hobby OS turned into a workhorse for every modern device, bukkake of corporate cost cutting and code reuse;
- git: side effect of Linux;
- Rust: A language created to let an intern write kernel code because good C programmers were too rare and expensive, also to make it cheaper to write drivers for Linux.

I have no idea about blender and python. I dont remember what program was blender modeled after (haha) but it was something expensive

Wikipedia was funded by MSM and education. Anyone that thinks that nonprofits aren't capitalist is stupid. Just that they end the year with 0 doesn't mean that they aren't profit motivated, they have to keep the lights on, the hosting bills paid or servers running, and pay moderators. The genius (or evil, depending how you look at it) part of it is that they convinced people to work for them for free.
Linux might have began as a hobby OS, but Linus had time to work on it due to the money he made from working evil capitalist jobs. When it got popular lots of corporations started working on the kernel, they all had profit motives, but at least they gave out the code back to the community.
git, yeah, consequence of Linux.
Dunno about the others. I just know that I hate Python. I wish it never caught on, I'd rather it'd be completely replaced with Perl or something else. But python is noob friendly and has an extremely strong presence in education and academia, so good luck on that.

 

[Ferryman]

We absolutely deserved an 'X12' that just rewrites the X server and aims to replace it 1:1, or having Wayland be something like WLR from the start. But it's just too late now, even though Wayland is now at the point where most things mostly work the fragmentation is set in stone and won't go away unless someone else with Red Hat levels of $$$ decides to create a Wayland replacement designed with the philosophy that it should actually try to replace the X server.

Good thing that dies irae has arrived for Waytrannies with full attention being given to the xnamespace app isolation mechanism these last couple weeks by Metux et al. Suffah waytranny, yo muh seekurity argument ain't worth shit no more biiiiiiiiiiiiiish!

 

[Null]

I have no idea if this is the typical cadence with which conversations in the FSF IRC carry on, but peep this absolute grimstone log. I don't even know where to begin. I've tried to abridge it to the best of my abilities but I strongly encourage anyone willing to read through it for gems I might have missed. I am inclined to start camping their IRC because holy moly is it wack.

This post is excellent btw

 

[teriyakiburns]

I guess in a way it is more 'unixy', since X is this monolith where almost everyone is on the same implementation and uses the same APIs while with Wayland you can in theory do whatever you want.

Not really though. X is a windowing display protocol. It's "one thing" is displaying windows and drawing widgets for other programmes to use, so anything that implements it properly is sticking to the unix philosophy just fine. It doesn't send mail. Not yet. Wayland is also a protocol, but it doesn't stick to the unix philosophy, simply because it doesn't do its one thing well. It has huge holes in its specification that make it perform poorly without other programmes filling in for it, which generally means forcing other programmes to do their "one thing" but also take care of elements of the display server. That sort of entanglement is the opposite of "do one thing well". It's very much the sort of thing systemd does.

 

[monk]

This post is excellent btw

you aren't kidding

2026-04-26 02:27:44 Kolev IBM supported the Nazis. IBM owns Red Hat. Red Hat pioneers Wayland. If you click on Wayland, you click with Nazis.

 

[Curry Teafag]

Some other gem:

2026-04-26 02:20:59 britney i wont use xlibre because the author thinks winston churchill should be charged with war crimes for defending england from hitler

Didn't know Enrico was this based.

 

[analrapist]

Didn't know Enrico was this based.

It's the typical rightist response to leftist hysteria: "man, I wish so-and-so was half as based as the left thinks he is"

 

[Curry Teafag]

It's the typical rightist response to leftist hysteria: "man, I wish so-and-so was half as based as the left thinks he is"

Well, that's not even remotely what I said.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

Would you want to talk about trannies at your more or less job? Hide your powerlevel and focus on whataver it is you're doing. It's a tech/software/programming channel. I actually enjoy him because he doesn't go into the culture war bullshit.

Imo most of his takes are pretty reasonable, and he hasn't spoken against right wingers or randomly hated on people for the smallest reason. Even if he is a left winger and is "against our side" why would it matter as long as his videos have mostly nothing to do with politics? People can have differing opinions without being retarded.

When the hyprland situation happened he had Vaxry on his podcast instead of denouncing him, that makes him a good one in my books.

Some discord tidbits

He used hyprland

Kiwi mention(which one of you is the bee???)

He does seem to defend trannies at one point in 2023

The bee is still on the discord, so he's fine with a nazi chud right winger extremist being there. The deleted people might have still been on too. So he doesn't seem to be the retarded type of leftist.

This hair splitting over who's right wing or left wing due to what software they use is so bleak and petty.

I blame Steve Jobs for this, the iPhone was the 9/11 of the Internet. That turtleneck wearing faggot singlehandedly turned the digital frontier into a global ghetto.

 

[Cherenkovblue]

This hair splitting over who's right wing or left wing due to what software they use is so bleak and petty.

I blame Steve Jobs for this, the iPhone was the 9/11 of the Internet. That turtleneck wearing faggot singlehandedly turned the digital frontier into a global ghetto.

You can blame Jobs for this, but it goes further back to the Apple II. Apple has always positioned itself to do-nothing hipsters who think they're better than everyone else on the basis of their choice in fashion accessories masquerading as useful tools. This was particularly true of the Apple II which, objectively, was an overpriced piece of shit that did next to nothing. No, I don't care that Woz created a cheap floppy controller from tin cans and string - why would I when it's not reflected in the price? Similarly, I don't care that he created a cheap design to exploit NTSC artifact color - again, for the same reason, but also because artifact color is fucking hideous. Apple was designed to soak retards with more money than brains. Everyone else had to do more with less and got sneered at because "hurr durr my e-peen bigger than yours". Apple losers have never forgiven the world that everything they stole from other, more capable platforms was eventually reappropriated and now their desktops and laptops have zero difference from anything else on the market other than the absurd markup... underscoring their status as fashion accessories for dipshits.

 

[Don Yagon]

You can blame Jobs for this, but it goes further back to the Apple II. Apple has always positioned itself to do-nothing hipsters who think they're better than everyone else on the basis of their choice in fashion accessories masquerading as useful tools. This was particularly true of the Apple II which, objectively, was an overpriced piece of shit that did next to nothing. No, I don't care that Woz created a cheap floppy controller from tin cans and string - why would I when it's not reflected in the price? Similarly, I don't care that he created a cheap design to exploit NTSC artifact color - again, for the same reason, but also because artifact color is fucking hideous. Apple was designed to soak retards with more money than brains. Everyone else had to do more with less and got sneered at because "hurr durr my e-peen bigger than yours". Apple losers have never forgiven the world that everything they stole from other, more capable platforms was eventually reappropriated and now their desktops and laptops have zero difference from anything else on the market other than the absurd markup... underscoring their status as fashion accessories for dipshits.

 

[AmpleApricots]

I got an Amiga in 1987 and loved that machine dearly (still have it in fact) but the build quality was horrid. Technically a proprietary OS -it was a hacker's machine though, and it's manual came with schematics and advice in how to do some very low level stuff with the OS and design hardware expansions. You'd have small engineering bureaus still design hardware expansions for the Amiga in limited numbers from the 80s to this day.

I also have a Mac from the same era and it's sheer build quality can't really be compared to anything else. Super locked down machine though and it wouldn't accept SCSI drives as system drive that weren't Certified Genuine Apple Labeled Harddrives(tm) (some random seagate model, I forgot), and mind you that was in a time where mechanical drives weren't super reliable and would have a lifetime of about three years if you were a heavy computer user. Can't even blame Jobs for that one, that machine was made during his absence from Apple.

Now the Amiga's dead and Apple hardware is as locked down as ever. I guess we just can't have nice things.

To be fair though, Apple wasn't far away from bankruptcy either, the thing that saved them was bringing Jobs back and let him do what he does best: stealing ideas & fleecing suckers.

..and then he died because he thought he could heal his cancer by eating fruits lol

"I'm not glad he is dead, but I'm glad he is gone." - Richard Stallman.

I can't help but wonder what kind of role Jobs would've inhabited in the current budding techbro neofeudalism thing that we have going on the last few years. I mean Bill Gates, who was known as being incredibly ruthless and just plain mean in the 90s, tried to poise himself as this sort of benevolent humanist figure until his Epstein ties and allegations of being a sex pest came out and he just fell off the face of the public. You don't really hear much about him anymore, do you? To be fair though, I don't think Jobs was a sex pest beyond what is normal in these circles, dude was just too weird and autistic for that.

 

[Cherenkovblue]

"I'm not glad he is dead, but I'm glad he is gone." - Richard Stallman.

People give Stallman shit for saying that because of a lack of tact, but honestly I'm going to give him shit over that for a very different reason: I'm not glad Jobs is gone at all as I wanted him to live long enough to see everything he stole reappropriated by the market and his company bankrupted by his narcissism and stupidity. That he instead died horribly because of his own narcissism and stupidity is not nearly as funny to me, but I guess it'll have to do.

 

[CryptoHermit]

New Court Files Reveal How Microsoft Helped the FBI Identify Peter Stokes "Bouquet" (Scattered Spider Member)The court files reveal that Microsoft helped the FBI track Peter Stokes down using GDID — a Global Device Identifier, which is assigned to every Windows installation and cannot be changed unless the OS is wiped. The GDID helped them track:• IP history• Full web activity• Video game activity and games played• Logged-in social accounts, including Snapchat, Facebook, and AppleAccording to the court documents, the critical mistake was using a VPN to create the ngrok account used in the May 2025 Tiffany & Co. hack from the same Windows device associated with his GDID.Although the account was created from a VPN IP address ending in .168, Microsoft records show that the same GDID (6755467234350028) accessed the ngrok signup page at the exact time the account was created, linking the hack to his personal social accounts. I've attached the filing below.

https://archive.ph/CYCSK

Court Filing Reveals Windows Device ID Helped FBI Trace Alleged Scattered Spider Hacker​

U.S. prosecutors linked an alleged Scattered Spider hacker to a break-in at a luxury jewelry retailer using a persistent Windows device ID, according to a newly unsealed federal complaint.

Microsoft records tied that ID first to the account the attackers used to keep access during the May 2025 intrusion, then to online accounts prosecutors say belong to 19-year-old Peter Stokes.

Stokes is charged with conspiracy, computer intrusion, and fraud. A dual U.S.-Estonian citizen known online as "Bouquet," he was extradited from Finland and made his first court appearance in Chicago on June 30, as THN reported. He is presumed innocent pending trial.

How the break-in worked​

Between May 12 and 15, 2025, attackers phoned the retailer's IT help desk from Google Voice numbers, posed as locked-out employees, and got staff to reset employees' passwords and the mobile devices tied to their multifactor authentication.

Within a few hours, they controlled three accounts, two belonging to IT administrators. They installed ngrok and a second tunneling tool called Teleport, moved data to Amazon cloud storage, and pulled out at least 77 gigabytes.

They appear to have tried to deploy ransomware, but the retailer's security team blocked it and evicted them from the network. The attackers still sent a ransom email, subject line "IMPORTANT: WE STOLE THE DATA, CONTACT UMMEDIATELY [sic]," and later asked for $8 million in cryptocurrency. The company did not pay. The breach still cost it about $2 million in disruption, investigation, and cleanup.

The way in was the help desk, not a software flaw. The fix is a process, not patching: verify identity before any reset with a callback to a number already on file, manager sign-off, or video checks for privileged accounts. Phishing-resistant MFA like FIDO2 keys blunts the group's other methods, but does nothing if a help desk will reset an account on a phone call.

The ID that led investigators to Stokes​

Investigators worked back to Stokes from the device that opened the ngrok account. Microsoft told the FBI it carried Global Device Identifier g:6755467234350028, which Microsoft describes as a persistent identifier tied to a single Windows installation, one that survives operating-system updates but changes when Windows is reinstalled.


Microsoft records show that the device visited the ngrok signup page at 19:21 UTC on May 12, 2025, the same minute the ngrok account was created, and reached the retailer's website through the same proxy about three hours later.

The device also kept surfacing on the same IP addresses, at the same times, as Snapchat, Apple, and Facebook accounts prosecutors attribute to Stokes: an address in his home city of Tallinn, Estonia, in June 2024, then New York in November and Thailand in February 2025, matched by State Department travel records.


The complaint shows an operator who hid the attack, behind a VPN proxy, tunneling tools, and aliases, but not himself. Prosecutors say his Snapchat flaunted cash, watches, and diamond chains reading "HACK THE PLANET," along with the very trips that placed him in those cities. He even posted photos of an Estonian police station and taunted that the feds had no idea what they had let get away.

One arrest, and why it may not slow the threat​

Investigators can now tie a single operator to the machine that set up an attack. But one arrest barely touches the wider threat.

In separate, recent research, Group-IB argues Scattered Spider is not really one group at all. It is a loose collective of small, independent cells, most no bigger than five people, tied together by shared tricks, tools, and chat rooms rather than a shared boss. Group-IB compares it to the Anonymous movement and says arresting some of these cells "will not stop the threat itself."

Prosecutors describe Scattered Spider as one group behind more than 100 intrusions and over $100 million in ransoms. Group-IB says the label fits a scene better than a gang, and argues that loose structure is why the activity survives each arrest.

Part of a longer run of cases​

Other recent Scattered Spider prosecutions follow the same shape: individuals arrested one at a time, the shared playbook intact. In April 2026, Scottish national Tyler Buchanan pleaded guilty in the U.S. to fraud and identity theft tied to the group.

In 2025, Noah Urban, known as "Sosa," was sentenced to 10 years over a SIM-swapping scheme linked to Scattered Spider. And in the U.K., two alleged members recently admitted to the Transport for London hack, which cost an estimated £29 million.

When Finnish police stopped Stokes at Helsinki airport as he tried to board a flight to Japan, they seized two 2-terabyte hard drives. This whole case was built from that kind of material: device records, account links, and IP trails. In a network this diffuse, the drives could matter more than the conviction, if they hold the tools, infrastructure, or contacts that reach the next member.

 

[dec05eba]

a Global Device Identifier, which is assigned to every Windows installation

systemd users with their /etc/machine-id btfo.

Although I dont know any software that reads that and sends that to servers.

 

[AmpleApricots]

If you don't heavily namespace and isolate every application that touches the internet you have lost control of your life