/r/TNOmod and the Reddit HOI4 modding community - When a subreddit for a video game mod turns to utter insanity

[Happy Camper]

The problem was that they courted people who wanted serious shit while also courting people who wanted wacky shit. They had to split the baby and took the people who wanted a grounded story, Because if you were around back then, You would know that TNO fans had an absolutely abysmal reputation for constantly shitting up other communities and spamming shitty memes. There is a reason that “is that a tno reference” copypasta exists, old TNO fans were genuinely fucking insufferable

Well I was around then and that's why I speak from the perspective of people who played the mod. And I think you're missing the point of it never being realistic or doing much at all to cater to people who wanted realism on release as evidenced by the fact that almost no content at all was realistic. That's why it was such a horrible move to completely change the mod. It'd be like TFR removing the ACW and all events that come from it.

But I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on whether or not it was a good idea to rework the entire mod from the ground up because we don't seem to be making any ground and there's no point in clogging up the thread with a back and forth. Hopefully you can see where other people are coming from a little better at least.

 

[H3H3 Podcast Higlights]

Any good music mod for TNORA? It doesn't really have the music from the base TNO mod. I used TNO Last Waltz Expanded.

 

[Karakhalkin-Gol]

Also, it’s worth pointing out that in DV, it’s basically guaranteed for European control over Africa to be toppled or heavily watered down with various concessions to the blacks. The only outlier I’ve seen so far is Kenya, but I’m certain that this won’t last.

 

[Messiah Mike]

Also, it’s worth pointing out that in DV, it’s basically guaranteed for European control over Africa to be toppled or heavily watered down with various concessions to the blacks. The only outlier I’ve seen so far is Kenya, but I’m certain that this won’t last.
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Also uganda can remain ruled by whites but blacks ruling isn’t a deviation from traditional colonial policy, East africa institutionally is a carbon copy of the British raj which made extensive use of princely states who’s leadership could be replaced at any time by the viceroy. That’s what the regional org thing is below the economy type, It’s a pop out window that shows who the governor general/viceroy is

edit: also Malawi is a place holder, you can tell because there is a very obvious pokémon in the national spirits. Also hastings banda was an anti colonial activist turned dictator in our timeline so some other guy will get chosen. the flag is also incorrect as that’s a black nationalist flag

 

[EpicGamerMoment]

The retardation was part of the charm. It always felt like a weird pseudo-grimdark low sci-fi universe with the whacky shit it had going on. Sungun, atlantropa, Mars landing, zhdanov laser tank, etc

The weird, grimdark shit was cool but he's fundamentally right. Originally Panzer meant for TNO to be a cautionary tale about how extremism always failed and so the game would always reward you for doing the wholesome centrist paths.

 

[Messiah Mike]

The weird, grimdark shit was cool but he's fundamentally right. Originally Panzer meant for TNO to be a cautionary tale about how extremism always failed and so the game would always reward you for doing the wholesome centrist paths.

A lot of people hate the new devs so much that they end up glazing panzer who is way way worse. Did everyone forget that panzer was a proven zoophile and was hitting up 14 year olds? These people hate generic shitlib history nerds so much that they end up glazing a pedo
troon

 

[Happy Camper]

The weird, grimdark shit was cool but he's fundamentally right. Originally Panzer meant for TNO to be a cautionary tale about how extremism always failed and so the game would always reward you for doing the wholesome centrist paths.

Thankfully he was a hopeless retard in a lot of ways and missed the mark by about ten miles on a lot of the terrible narrative ideas he had. Some other bangers of his that were completely aborted include wanting canonical endings and turning 70s TNO into a separate mod with a pre-unified communist Russia. They couldn't possibly have gotten better PR than they did from having a lot of their bad ideas stillborn and their replacements being as polarizing as they are.

 

[Messiah Mike]

Thankfully he was a hopeless retard in a lot of ways and missed the mark by about ten miles on a lot of the terrible narrative ideas he had. Some other bangers of his that were completely aborted include wanting canonical endings and turning 70s TNO into a separate mod with a pre-unified communist Russia. They couldn't possibly have gotten better PR than they did from having a lot of their bad ideas stillborn and their replacements being as polarizing as they are.

Didn’t the 80s scenario just become TFO? Speaking of, I had always had the thought that TFO should be integrated once the main mod is complete. Not to make it a cannon ending, But as a separate start date so people can jump into 80s content. Then again programming all the content for main tno plus programming new crises depending on player actions in the 60s-70s sounds like a nightmare.

Honestly I really wish TNO would actually get picked up by an actual studio so it could become a separate cold war game rather than clinging to Hoi4. Imagine the monumental achievement it would be to create a narrative driven game set in the tno timeline that goes from 1962-2022 with divergent paths out the ass.

That would be worthy of at least a couple awards

 

[TiggerNits]

Every single Hearts of Iron player type

 

[The Cum Beast]

Every single Hearts of Iron player type
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Accurate besides one thing. The SOY4 players in the picture are WAY too malnourished.

 

[TiggerNits]

Accurate besides one thing. The SOY4 players in the picture are WAY too malnourished.

Corrected

 

[GoodWinSon]

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You fool! They need to be as fat as Jupiter!

 

[H3H3 Podcast Higlights]

The weird, grimdark shit was cool but he's fundamentally right. Originally Panzer meant for TNO to be a cautionary tale about how extremism always failed and so the game would always reward you for doing the wholesome centrist paths.

Was it the reason why non democratic countries almost always feel impossible during the beginning of development or was it a progression of faggotry?

 

[GoodWinSon]

Was it the reason why non democratic countries almost always feel impossible during the beginning of development or was it a progression of faggotry?

Mixed really. Panzer wanted democracies to generally be good guys, but a lot of russian warlords were (allegedly) conceived by different cliques of ideology larpers. Plans aside, the only railroading I can remember (aside from Huttig) is Bormann, Goering, and Heydrich, who all suffer some sort crisis at the end of their paths. Bormann gets the Red Army Faction, Goering gets a nuclear war or civil war, Heydrich gets suicide (which I changed lol). Japan can basically get away with everything even with Kaya. Yockey and Wallace are considered bad but you can still succeed as the latter and the former also was planned to have a possible victory.

But remember a lot of plans were never implemented. The great asian war has a lot of unused but was never implemented, for example.

 

[H3H3 Podcast Higlights]

Mixed really. Panzer wanted democracies to generally be good guys, but a lot of russian warlords were (allegedly) conceived by different cliques of ideology larpers. Plans aside, the only railroading I can remember (aside from Huttig) is Bormann, Goering, and Heydrich, who all suffer some sort crisis at the end of their paths. Bormann gets the Red Army Faction, Goering gets a nuclear war or civil war, Heydrich gets suicide (which I changed lol). Japan can basically get away with everything even with Kaya. Yockey and Wallace are considered bad but you can still succeed as the latter and the former also was planned to have a possible victory.

But remember a lot of plans were never implemented. The great asian war has a lot of unused but was never implemented, for example.

It seems like all the fun mods make you have to participate in war lots of times since the other aspects of HOI4 is so meh.

 

[Messiah Mike]

Also uganda can remain ruled by whites but blacks ruling isn’t a deviation from traditional colonial policy, East africa institutionally is a carbon copy of the British raj which made extensive use of princely states who’s leadership could be replaced at any time by the viceroy. That’s what the regional org thing is below the economy type, It’s a pop out window that shows who the governor general/viceroy is

edit: also Malawi is a place holder, you can tell because there is a very obvious pokémon in the national spirits. Also hastings banda was an anti colonial activist turned dictator in our timeline so some other guy will get chosen. the flag is also incorrect as that’s a black nationalist flag

To my knowledge, If britain goes fascist, The countries that can be directly controlled via the governor general/viceroy are; Uganda, Kenya, and Tanganyika. We don’t know much about zambia so I left it out the list just in case i’m wrong. However if britain goes pragmatist, Only Tanganyika will remain under the direct authority of the governor general.

If you want a more comprehensive understanding of how british east africa works, Just look up the article for the british raj and it basically works the same. East africa is called the east african empire with Edward as its emperor in the same way that india had victoria as its emperor

Edit: This whole topic of east africa just gave me a cool idea for a modern day starting scenario. British east africa surviving and becoming a british version of manchuria ran by left leaning civil servants the BPP doesn’t want in britain proper. Either that or a pragmatist Britain deliberately does this to make africa more profitable via a public private venture between the government and the british east africa company, Not unlike mangyo

 

[Mussolini’s Merkin]

It seems like all the fun mods make you have to participate in war lots of times since the other aspects of HOI4 is so meh.

How HOI4 mods should be is that wars are what pushes the narrative, which is something that TNO absolutely forgets for the most part. The Russian warlords kind of do this but for most nations it’s just a CYOA. Germany used to be more war focused but of course that’s been reworked out as you can no longer do Goerings wild ride. For most nations that have received recent updates in TNO you can generally delete your entire army at the start and suffer no real penalties, which to me is an absolute failure for a mod of a WW2 simulator game.

In contrast, look at how OWB and EaW handle warfare. The focus trees are always pushing towards conflicts and those conflicts inform the narrative they are telling. Those two mods remember that this is first and foremost a strategy game and keep it as a core tenant, they’re not trying to change it into a Suzerain mod or a political CYOA.

 

[Messiah Mike]

Why are TNO leakers such faggots? Either this is doctoragor being a bitch or some other leaker being a petty bitch because what’s the point in having a gay circle jerk group chat for leaks when the chinese community is going to leak it anyway

 

[H3H3 Podcast Higlights]

Edit. It's in:

Thanks! That's wonderful! Don't know if I like the idea of attatching more bodies with PP (maybe Command Power instead?) since when you go low enough, you'll start to lose a shitton of PP if control is too loose.

I probably wouldn't receive the edit since I'm playing a pirated copy of the game (No Paradox! I am not spending any money for overpriced DLCs) and have to download the mod from somewhere that doesn't frequently update in accordance to TNORA due to being very nieche.

Is there any other nations that suffer from softblocks such as this?

 

[EpicGamerMoment]

A lot of people hate the new devs so much that they end up glazing panzer who is way way worse. Did everyone forget that panzer was a proven zoophile and was hitting up 14 year olds? These people hate generic shitlib history nerds so much that they end up glazing a pedo
troon

I don’t think it’s one or the other. As bad as Panzer was, at the end of the day content actually RELEASED under him. And while I liked that the nu-TNO devs did away with the “radicalism bad” theme of the mod, they did it sorely to have their favorite commie dictator eventually succeed. And they are removing everything that made the mod schizo/fun in the name of realism.

So I have a slight preference for TNO under pinkpanzer for the simple fact that we got UPDATES