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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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I found the specific one I saw!
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Tv-XSXDS7Dc
It has the same fucking music from the suicide room in Soylent Green lmao.
I especially liked the single woman that had someone she did not know, and could not communicate with, move in with her on almost zero notice and is like "haha so fun!" BITCH YOU'RE GONNA DIE!
Jesus Christ, this is just awful. Taking advantage of the welcoming nature of people just to put rapefugees in people houses, it's sickening.

Anyway, talked to me mum this weekend, it hit 90 in her neck of the woods, I have no idea how you all are dealing with it but you have my absolute and unending sympathy, England simply isn't designed for that kind of heat.
 
I found the specific one I saw!
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Tv-XSXDS7Dc
It has the same fucking music from the suicide room in Soylent Green lmao.
I especially liked the single woman that had someone she did not know, and could not communicate with, move in with her on almost zero notice and is like "haha so fun!" BITCH YOU'RE GONNA DIE!

I wonder how these things typically go. I remember the wave of Ukrainians being homed, mostly women and children I think? Seems a lot less risky than housing Africans and Muslims from the Middle East.

I remember this Spanish woman who tried hosting one of these guys and she went out of her way to speak to the media about how much of a disaster it was.

https://x.com/Basil_TGMD/status/1951189455869452483


 
I wonder how these things typically go. I remember the wave of Ukrainians being homed, mostly women and children I think? Seems a lot less risky than housing Africans and Muslims from the Middle East.

I remember this Spanish woman who tried hosting one of these guys and she went out of her way to speak to the media about how much of a disaster it was.

https://x.com/Basil_TGMD/status/1951189455869452483


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I think that Ukies are similar enough to Europeans that they can integrate well enough, if they choose to. I'm probably more bleeding heart than most but I've been able to get along with them. The handful of Ukies I have met have been decent enough people and even they at least understand that they should keep their heads down and try to integrate a little.

Africans and Arabs simply do not want that. They want to carve out their little kingdoms whereever they go and live like they did in the shitholes they fled from, utterly ignorant that the reason they left is because their way of life is shit. They are incompatible with the West, but want to live there for the benefits it gives them.

It's not even a religious thing for the most part. I've met and worked with some Bosniaks over the years and they are some of the nicest and most decent people I have ever have the pleasure of meeting, they really put in the effort to be part of the community. It's just that Arabians and sub-saharans are incapable of living in Western society. Sorry for sounding like a /pol/ or your average A&N poster.
 
I think that Ukies are similar enough to Europeans that they can integrate well enough, if they choose to. I'm probably more bleeding heart than most but I've been able to get along with them. The handful of Ukies I have met have been decent enough people and even they at least understand that they should keep their heads down and try to integrate a little.
It looks like the whole escapade was a test run for ‘house the boat illegals in people’s spare rooms or else’.

I heard a lot of bad things about Ukies. Mainly the women shagging the Brit menfolk and smirking at the Brit women about it, the Ukie men doing everything to undercut Brit men, and the whole lot just generally being entitled supercunts because they were everyone’s pet refugee darlings.

The whole idea is a disaster waiting to happen. You don’t throw open your doors to any old twat from countries afar, who won’t be paying rent or earning and has more rights than you do in your own home. Where’s the eviction process? Can you imagine the burden of guilt laid at the feet of hosts who can’t carry on housing Bob Immigrant and his foreign, annoying, disruptive ways any more? I’d bet the process to get them out is almost impossible, and that’s without taking into account the accusations of racism and intolerance, along with ‘we can’t find other housing for them’ etc. Anyone sheltered and propagandised enough to do this will very quickly have the wool pulled right away from their eyes. It’s an idiotic idea. Absolutely crazy.

I bet there’s loads of stories about this set-up going horribly wrong, though you can guarantee they’re not published in any newspaper. Just how many homes and families have been trashed but people have been ‘encouraged’ to keep quiet and just mooooove on?
 
Blair lays out a plan to push Labour back to a true blairite path. After sending Gordo and Harriet to chaperone Starmer, he's demanding policy changes.
I saw that being posted in the Guardian (bonus hilarity that the same article argued it's the Greens taking voters from Labour, not Reform). As such I dug up the actual speech itself because when Tony's mouth moves it's because someone else's hand is moving it.



The Labour Party is playing with fire; or, more accurately, with its future, and that of the country.
I led the Labour Party for 13 years and through three general elections. It is a party largely of decent, well-meaning people who want the best for the country. Its mission is, as its 1994 rewritten constitution says, to ensure that “power, wealth and opportunity are in the hands of the many not the few” and it’s a perfectly noble one.
But I am afraid, like many progressive parties, it has an almost infinite capacity for self-delusion.
It won the 2024 election not by acclaim, but by being an acceptable (credit to Keir Starmer) default option to a Conservative government the country felt had behaved unacceptably.
However, partly because of the intellectual wasteland of the Corbyn years, it had no properly thought-through analysis of how the world was changing and what that meant for policy.
Wes Streeting is a huge political talent and Andy Burnham was an outstanding member of my government. But this leadership debate has an extraordinarily retro 20th-century feel to it. Like most politicians, they’re anxious to distance themselves from the ‘Westminster bubble’.
But Britain’s problem isn’t with a ‘Westminster’ bubble. It is with a ‘politics’ bubble.
The politics of the future may be better understood by those presently outside politics.
The world is turning on its axis and today’s politicians living in a 24/7 pressure cooker have barely time to recognise the turning let alone study it. These changes need long-term strategic thinking which is alien to the way most modern democracies function.
The government’s principal problem isn’t Keir’s personality. Or a failure to communicate ‘our achievements’. Or a need to assert more strongly Labour’s ‘values’.
It is because we don’t have a worked-out, coherent plan for the country in a fast-changing world and are in the wrong political position from which we can devise one and win a second term.
The government is governing from an essentially traditional Labour ‘soft left’ position, parked firmly in the party’s comfort zone.
Whether there is a leadership change or not is irrelevant if it doesn’t start with a policy debate. Are we really prioritising economic growth, essential not just for prosperity but for social justice, if there is a slew of policies we’re implementing which might restrict it? Does our economy need right now the goal of clean energy or cheap energy? How do we justify adding to the welfare bill when it is already ballooning, taxes are high and getting higher, and we’re told we have to increase defence spending to prepare for the possibility of war?
And is it right that we’re living through the 21st-century equivalent of the 19th-century Industrial Revolution and if so, are we remotely meeting the scale of that challenge? And what are the opportunities in areas like health and education for transformative change consequent on this revolution and the existential dangers of this revolution when, quite soon, someone sitting in their front room could hack into vital national infrastructure and bring it down?
Do we have a foreign policy which makes sense of a changing world order?
Trying to force the prime minister out before we know what policy direction we’re bringing in is not a serious way of conducting ourselves.
And so far, though of course these are very early days, we have a fight between a ‘modernising’ wing of the Labour Party appearing to advocate rejoining the EU (and now equalising capital gains and income tax, something rejected by successive governments for good reason); and the alternative which thinks the answer is moving even further left on taxes, spending and welfare, spun with a rehash of the far-left critique about nothing good coming out of the last ‘40 years’ of ‘neo-liberalism’, which presumably includes the last Labour government.
With the left position odds on to win.
It is one thing when in opposition to indulge this perennial delusion that when we lose seats to the right the country is really signalling it wants Labour to move left; it is dangerous to do it in government.
And no one was more passionately opposed to Brexit than I was, and the result of it was both predictable and predicted. But as I shall argue later in this essay, an approach for Britain to go back into a structured relationship with Europe needs to be handled with care and with strategy.
Just as Brexit was never the answer to Britain’s challenges back in 2016, reversing it isn’t the answer to the country’s far worse situation in 2026. Our relationship with Europe should be part of a comprehensive strategy for Britain’s future, and that doesn’t begin with Europe but here at home.
Unfortunately to the exam question: how do we win a second full term of government, the one answer which seems ruled out, is learning from the only time in the party’s 120-year history it has ever done so.
Governments which succeed don’t start with a personality contest. Or a political question – as in, how do we ‘save the country’ from Reform. They start with an idea, a project, a governing purpose, an analysis of what is wrong and a plan to put it right.
The challenge of democracy is not transparency, honesty or conspiracy theories about the hidden power of elites.
It is efficacy. It is the ability to get big things done. To have leaders who are not problem-managers but problem-solvers.
As John Adams – second president of the United States – once wrote: “Ballast is what I want; I totter with every breeze.”
This, not the absence of ‘better communications’ or of a ‘charismatic’ leader has been the defining problem of the government. Too often they seem to totter in the breeze. To lack ballast.
There are two epochal changes happening in the world today – one geopolitical, the other technological – and Britain is not prepared for either.
They require radical change in policy, system of government and politics.
The best political space from which this can be achieved is what I call the Radical Centre.
The centre – properly defined – is where you put policy first and politics last. So, you begin with the question: what is the right answer? And only once you have that do you engage in the political task of persuading people of it.
Britain is in a mess precisely because in recent years it has done the opposite.
Both main parties have gone off the rails by putting internal politics first and good policy second. Labour moving to the left after 2007 culminating in the absurdity of the Corbyn leadership. The Tories with Brexit.
Neither has fully recovered and ironically their failures have spawned new parties to their further left and right.
Yes, Britain needs radical change, but the difficulty (not just in Britain) is that too often the sensible people aren’t radical, and the radical people aren’t sensible.
The first epochal change is in the geopolitical order where America’s superpower status is now shared by China, in time to be joined by India. A sort of G2/3. These countries will be far ahead of whichever nation is in fourth place. By this calculation, everyone else including Britain is a middle power.
The second is the technology revolution led by developments in artificial intelligence, which will change everything. I mean everything. There is no point in debating whether this technological revolution is a good or bad thing. Just know it is a ‘thing’. In fact, it is ‘the thing’. It will displace jobs, though creating new ones, but no one yet knows the full consequence. Companies and countries will rise or fall on the back of it. It will revolutionise the private sector and should in time revolutionise public services and government. Yet people in most countries, including Britain, have no idea what is about to hit them.
This doesn’t obviate the need for immediate policies in familiar areas like immigration or taxation. But it will, in time, change even those.
Think of how Britain was in 1826 and how different it was in 1926. And then in 2026. This is the scale of change but in dramatically faster time.
Governments – any government – must find their place in this new world.
In foreign policy, it means finding the alliances necessary to do collectively what countries – other than the G2/3 – cannot do alone.
For domestic policy, governments must address what it means to govern in the age of AI.

The New World Order​

Politics – at an international level – has always been primarily about power. It doesn’t mean values are irrelevant. On the contrary. But protection of those values also requires power. Because powerful nations have a habit of getting what they want. And less powerful nations don’t.
What is power derived from? From the strength of a country’s economy and the strength of its military capacity.
Those attributes made Britain the world’s greatest power in the 19th century and it is what sustains America’s power today. And why China, with the world’s second-largest economy and military, is the other superpower.
America allied itself to Europe in the 20th century to fight two world wars alongside us, and that alliance continued after the second world war in opposition to communism.
Today the USA and Europe including Britain share markets, a military alliance within NATO and democratic values. That is the rationale behind what we call the transatlantic alliance.
But it has always been an unequal partnership. America is much more powerful than any single allied country, is the dominant force and therefore is the ‘shot-caller’.
This has been true at least for the last half-century. Most American presidents have been too polite to say this; but they always thought it and more important, acted on it.
That is why I don’t believe with the Trump Presidency we’re witnessing a ‘rupture’. I have a great respect for Mark Carney and, as Canada’s prime minister, I understand completely why it feels like that to him, when Canada’s very independence as a nation appeared to be put in play.
I also understand the anxiety in Europe when the language of parts of the American administration seem to cast doubt on the value of NATO or the transatlantic alliance.
But I regard it less as a ‘rupture’ than a ‘reckoning’. This side of the water, we’re being told some home truths which, if wise, we will wake up to.
Though American security strategy is couched in very ‘America First’ terms, it identifies the principal threats – in the Arctic from Russia; longer term, globally, from China; and in the Middle East from Iran – no differently from how Europe sees the world. President Trump has demanded increases in NATO spending not dissolution of the alliance.
It may be a message delivered in brutal form (and the Americans would say that only by saying it brutally will we take it seriously); but in reality what is being said to us is not: ‘the partnership is dead’ but rather ‘be bigger and better partners’.
Europe needs to build economic competitivity and military capability. At present it is not succeeding in either as it should.
The so-called New World Order is not the consequence of an American breach with its Western allies. The case for the Western alliance is as strong as ever.
Rather it is the product of a risen China, a rising India, a newly militaristic Russia, emerging significant power blocs in the Gulf and elsewhere, and therefore the shifting pattern of power. And it isn’t an ‘order’ yet because the pattern is not yet clear.
So where does this leave Britain? Caught between the isolationist tendency of parts of the right and misguided progressivism of parts of the left which combined are in danger of leaving Britain marooned on an island of irrelevance.
Twenty years ago, we were, beyond doubt, America’s key ally in security and defence, leaders in Europe even though not part of Schengen or the Euro, and, with the Department of International Development (DfID), major players in soft power in the developing world.
All are now in doubt or gone.
The partnership with the USA is weaker. To be clear, we were never asked to ‘join’ America’s military action in Iran and, never having been part of the planning for such a mission, could not have been part of it. The initial request was simply for the use of our military bases for the refuelling of American planes. I understand the reasons for refusal but it’s not the best way to treat our ally.
We’re out of Europe. And DfID is disbanded.
We have forgotten an essential lesson not just of diplomacy but of power politics: if you want to play you have to be sat at the table. And bring something to the table.
I know how hard it is to be an ally of the USA. We were its staunchest supporter post 9/11. We went through Afghanistan and Iraq together. But it mattered deeply to America and so it mattered to us also. America remains the indispensable core of Britain’s security alliance. But staying with it means even when it is difficult or unpopular.
No one who has been through the maze of European Councils, Commission bureaucracy and the often ugly compromises of EU membership can be a starry-eyed proponent of Europe as presently constructed. Again, unpopular to stay the course and be present. But in the world of G2/3, do we want to be absent from the debates of our own continent and engagement with the world’s largest commercial market with whom we do almost half our trade – more than twice the amount we do with America, our next largest trading partner?
And you will never convince any focus group I have ever come across to support spending on international development – except perhaps one of bishops – but it is important for Britain’s strength abroad that we develop deep ties with a developing world which is developing fast.
What’s done is done. None of these things can simply be reversed. But to repair our standing, all require leadership and commitment.
For the American relationship, that means building defence capability and being prepared politically to argue for the alliance even when controversial, of which Iran is the latest example.
For soft power, it is impossible for fiscal reasons to wind the clock back. But there are substantial things Britain can offer our developing-world partners: trade and investment with British companies, our financial expertise and globally respected rule of law, our technology, and capacity building for governance.
Not for full articulation here, but we need a functioning relationship with the other superpower: China. Keir Starmer was absolutely right to visit. We have major points of disagreement with China but the idea we can afford to ignore China or treat China as if we were dealing with a modern version of the Soviet Union is profoundly mistaken. The Western alliance should be strong enough to deal with whatever comes from China; but stay engaged with it and where viable, cooperate with it.
The Gulf States are another new factor in global politics – wealthy, modernising fast, and with huge investment in the West which they’re increasing, as well as becoming important players in the developing world. The war in Iran will not alter this. Europe including Britain should fashion a strong alliance with the Middle East and not just the Gulf. But again, not easy with parts of Western opinion for a diversity of reasons.
The cumulative risk for Britain is that we become frighteningly insular: wary of America because of President Trump; out of Europe because we think it inconsistent with national sovereignty; considering China as an ‘enemy state’; nervous allies of the Gulf States because they’re not democracies; and not much interested in the developing world because they’re poor and potentially liable to immigrate.
The hardest part is our relationship with Europe.
The government has rightly created a new atmosphere in our European relations. Meanwhile domestic policy – with measures on tax, spending and the labour market – is moving in a more ‘European’ direction.
There is a developing sense that as the country becomes more ‘European’, and British opinion moves against Brexit, then at some point it is ripe to enter a debate about ‘going back’.
This is not a strategy.
It is true that what is crazy is to be where we’re presently heading – that is, becoming ‘European’ in our practices while being out of Europe.
But if we want to go back into some sort of structured relationship with Europe, we can only do so from a position of economic strength. We must be at the farthest end of European competitiveness. At present, we’re not.
Any structured relationship will require a negotiation. And that negotiation will have to be from strength and not weakness.
Europe is facing the challenge of implementing the Draghi report on competitiveness. Most countries agree it should be implemented. Many objective observers doubt it will be, because it advocates flexible labour markets, welfare including pension reform, and technological innovation. All face stiff opposition.
However, European politics is changing. The current European Parliament has a much more pragmatic approach. The European Council likewise. And the German chancellor and the European Commission are embracing the Draghi report with at least some clear intention of implementation. So, there are signs of hope. But there is a long way to go.
Technology policy is the critical factor. If European policy continues in the direction of addressing the dangers rather than seizing the opportunities, i.e. weights technology regulation against the technology sector, it will be impossible for Britain to go back fully into the European Union. We can’t argue that technological innovation and adoption is the key challenge of modern governance and tie ourselves to a technology environment essentially hostile to it.
On the other hand, if we negotiate from strength and begin the process of dialogue now with the EU, we are better placed to influence the direction of European policy, including on technology.
So, what Britain should do is to say to our European ‘partners’: we want to come back to a structured, formal relationship with Europe, but this can’t be a take-it-or-leave-it offer on either side. We want to engage now in the European debate about its future. We will build strong pillars of partnership with Europe on defence and energy, where already it is clear we have huge common interests. And we need a robust dialogue on technology policy.
I have used the phrase structured relationship deliberately. There is also an active debate in Europe around whether it makes sense for Europe to move at different speeds on different issues. So, we should keep open exactly what a formal and structured relationship with Europe means. And what it means should be part of the dialogue.
The truth is that Britain has lost from Brexit. But so has Europe. We’re both weaker without the other. But we can’t go back to cohabitation unless on a basis which enhances our capabilities, economic and political, and does not undermine them – and that goes for both of us.

The New Policy Agenda for Britain​

Britain’s policy towards Europe cannot be decided separately from its domestic policy. The two must cohere.
There are many things the government is doing with which I agree: investment in infrastructure, some reforms in planning, parts of the health plan, openness to the digital revolution, parts of the immigration and policing agenda, smoothing out some of the worst trade friction with Europe and a debate around at least some of the necessary welfare reforms.
And on macroeconomic policy, the government has given the famed ‘bond markets’ reason to be quiescent, at least until the Iran war and the latest leadership turmoil.
These are no small achievements.
This is a government of people, by and large, trying to do their best given a precarious inheritance.
But there is a fundamental problem.
The people don’t want ‘politics as usual’. The real reason behind the rise of the leaders from Donald Trump to Giorgia Meloni to Javier Milei is that they answer this call. You can like them or dislike them, but their chief characteristic is they appear to be unbound, not constrained by conventional thinking.
I have experience working with the Trump Administration and I describe the difference with conventional politics in this way. The conventional leader sets a destination down the road. They drive towards it. They come to a brick wall barring the way. They stop at the wall. Sit down and consider all the options. Keep considering. Finally take a decision to go round, through or over the wall, but it’s a complicated process. It takes time and there is a constant pulling back by a cautious system.
The unconventional leader – in this case President Trump – drives down the road, sees the brick wall and accelerates. Yes, there are bits flying off the bus, there is a fair amount of debris and damage, the passengers feel mildly nauseous, but, with luck, he’s through the wall. It is simultaneously high in potential risk and in potential effectiveness.
The risk, of course, is if any wall on the journey turns out to be not a few inches but a few feet thick.
I am not advocating this approach. Merely describing its appeal. It seems to answer the efficacy challenge.
And today, the frustration with the system is such that people are inclined to take the risk. Because anything is better than the agonising irritation of incremental change that never seems to deliver real change.
This new breed of unconventional leaders has also understood how the new media landscape operates. Social media has transformed both politics and conventional media, which has decided – not all but most of it – ‘if you can’t beat them, join them’. The effect is political debate conducted in a climate of perpetual gale-force winds, capable at any moment of turning into a tornado, and, confusingly, constantly changing direction.
Conventional politicians pay close attention to what media, traditional and social, agitate over. This means they’re blown this way and that, trying to follow the prevailing wind. The paradox is that the public form part of this wind, but at the same time deeply distrust it. And look for leaders who stand strong in the face of it.
These unconventional leaders appear to have the ballast many conventional politicians lack.
They have an attitude, a tribe and a project.
They’re prepared to raise the middle finger to the part of the media which opposes them. And for protection they build a tribe – a core of support which will follow them, sometimes almost blindly. That’s why the ‘scandals’ which would immediately topple a conventional politician, they survive. The tribe won’t follow the tornado. Therefore, they reduce its impact. To switch analogies, they defang the beast.
And these leaders have a project. You might like it or not. But they have one. It gives them strength and purpose.
Before the 2024 general election I would ask members of the shadow cabinet and Parliamentary Party how they saw themselves. What are we: New Labour, Old Labour, Blue Labour? Usually the response would be: we don’t really think of ourselves like that, i.e. we don’t want to make that choice. And I would say: if you don’t choose your definition, by default it will be chosen for you. You will drift, trying to be both New and Old Labour at the same time and will end up as what I call ‘Just Labour’ – i.e. firmly in the party’s comfort zone.
Worse, before the election you will naturally be drawn to a New Labour pitch because it will more likely win over floating voters and business. But post-election, the pressure within the party will drive you towards Old Labour because it will give you an easier life and because you have never articulated why it’s wrong.
Therefore, if you’re not careful, people will vote thinking they’re getting a version of New(ish) Labour and then in government feel they have instead got a version of Old(ish) Labour. The leadership will end up personifying Labour’s essential choice, not resolving it. And the electorate will feel cheated.
Due to the way the manifesto was drafted, the government took with it into power commitments which meant that there was an inevitable gap between the government rhetoric around growth and the impact of these commitments on what the business community needed to restore the so-called animal spirits and get the private sector moving.
The commitments were: the new workers’-rights laws; the net-zero acceleration and phasing out of the British oil and gas industry; the uplift in the minimum wage beyond inflation; and the non-dom changes.
The prime minister and the chancellor should have said right at the outset: these are commitments which economic circumstances have rendered unwise to proceed with. The priority is growth. That comes with a vibrant private sector which has suffered years of economic instability, and we are going to go all out for making business feel respected and supported.
Dropping the commitments would have been painful but bearable because the government would have started with real goodwill from business.
But we didn’t, and to compound the problem, we chose a rise in National Insurance not VAT to plug the fiscal gap in the first Budget. Either tax increase would have been unpopular. Only one undermined business confidence.
Then, in the last Budget, it appeared as if we were increasing tax to pay for additional welfare spending, when the public already thinks welfare bills are too high.
Taken together, these measures have given headwinds not tailwinds to British business, despite the macroeconomic gains for which the chancellor is rightly praised.
At a minimum, the government should try to limit the effect of the changes made and, as we have argued consistently, remove those parts of the net-zero agenda which prioritise clean energy over cheaper energy; and from now on make sure the actions match the words on growth.
This would be better for Britain, but by itself won’t renew the country.
To do this requires a fundamental reset.
Whoever is elected next time will be seen as offering something radical. At present, there are the Greens offering radical leftism. There is Reform offering radical rightism. The Tories are offering Reform Lite. (The Lib Dems are being Lib Dems, i.e. finger in the wind).
In these circumstances, if Labour continues as ‘Just Labour’, it risks getting sliced to the left and right of itself.
And should it actively choose Old/Blue Labour, it may get back some of the so-called Red Wall (though remember New Labour kept those seats in 2005 and Labour lost them subsequently going left), but it then risks losing the parts of the country it gained in the south.
Labour’s only electorally viable strategy is to become the Radical Centre.
Let me explain why.
Everywhere in Western politics there is fragmentation, mirrored in the fragmentation of the media. Look around Europe and the traditional parties of left and right have seen their support cratered. Or there has been turmoil within those parties.
They have responded mostly by trying to move to the left or to the right in the mistaken belief the centre ground has disappeared; or defined the centre ground in a rather flabby and weak way as ‘not extreme’ or ‘moderate’.
This has happened because of a confusion of two different elements. The centre ground is still where elections can be won. Labour won in 2024 in part because people thought the party was sort of centrist, even though really it wasn’t. Macron won in France from the centre. So did the Democrats in the Netherlands recently. So did Tusk in Poland. Mark Carney too. Albanese in Australia. If the Democrats had chosen a strong centrist candidate in the 2024 American election, it would have been a much closer call.
The centre has a supply problem not a demand one.
However, the centre should never be the place of managing the status quo. Or of splitting the difference between left and right. Or just being ‘moderate’.
Rather, as I said earlier, the centre is the place where policy comes first and politics second. You work out the correct analysis, then the correct answer, and shape your political strategy around it.
Where, therefore, the correct answer requires radical change, the centre should be the radical changemaker.
This is the vacant space in British politics.
Parties no longer ‘own’ political space. Even 20 years ago, they did. They had core votes, people who stayed with them almost like religion. They identified with the party, Labour or Conservative. The parties owned that space. Even if, occasionally, they deserted it.
No longer. Today you don’t own the space, you inhabit it. Or not. And if not, it’s empty and up for grabbing. To the left and right of Labour the space is crowded. But not the centre. And the great benefit of it? It is best for the country too.
The Radical Centre starts from the proposition that governing in the age of AI will be the principal challenge. And opportunity. The route to economic prosperity and social justice. Here is what such an agenda might look like.
1. The private sector will go through a process of adaptation to this new AI world and, therefore, business and entrepreneurs need to know government is on their side, removing obstacles to business growth – not creating them as they go through this massive process of adjustment. So, all those measures I described above which hold business back should be corrected or mitigated.
2. We need a transformative programme for planning reform and deregulation. The planning system in Britain is an abomination. The government has taken significant steps, but well short of a truly radical reform.
3. We must prioritise cheaper energy and electrification over net zero and use what is left of our North Sea oil and gas resources. This is essential for our competitiveness and for taking advantage of AI.
4. We should create a major new partnership with the private and voluntary sectors for apprenticeships and training – not just for the young and unemployed, but for the existing workforce whose jobs will be affected by AI and who need to learn AI adoption. Build on and not dilute the education reforms for schools started under New Labour and continued under the Conservatives. And keep our universities strong because they’re critical to the technology economy. This is the key to extending opportunity and wealth, even more than it was in 1997.
5. ‘Reindustrialising’ the north of the country can be encouraged by government giving incentives and help but most of all it will come through first-class infrastructure, education, freedom from bureaucracy, and government working in partnership with the private sector and with the forward-facing part of the trade-union movement. And with a broad definition of ‘industry’ if we want to create jobs because much of future manufacturing will likely be done by robots, though there will be also major opportunities in areas requiring a high degree of traditional skills.
6. A plan for fundamental reform, over time, of welfare. By the end of this decade, we could be spending more on incapacity and disability benefits than on defence. No serious country can do that. Mental-health spending has exploded over the past five or six years. The system at points incentivises people not to work. The triple lock is unaffordable long term. All of this is horribly hard, but the British people know, deep down, the necessity of doing it. If the Conservative Party repeats its offer of working together on welfare, Labour should accept the offer.
7. The NHS needs not NHS reform but whole-system health-care reform. Moving from cure to prevention. Mixing private and public provision in a fundamental realignment of the two. Reorganising the delivery of health care, for example making weight-loss drugs and other preventative products widely available. Getting rid of all the old shibboleths which have turned the NHS into a point of theological principle rather than a modern service where the transformative power of technology alters its foundations.
8. Take effective – i.e. ‘whatever it takes’ – action to solve the illegal immigration issue. The home secretary is right in believing that solving this issue is critical and has completely changed in nature since 2007. Solving it is pre-conditional to getting the British people to listen to bigger arguments about the future. We should deal by whatever means with small boats but recognise the necessity of targeted immigration in certain sectors for economic growth and be unashamed to advocate it.
9. Most important of all, reorganising the whole of government around the harnessing of the 21st-century technological revolution. All governments for the foreseeable future will govern in the age of AI. Those which understand it will see their countries prosper; those which don’t, won’t. This is literally the challenge across all sectors including welfare and health (digital ID is just one, though vital, part of it). It will define the future of the British economy which, ironically, has a powerful position in technology but one we’re in danger of squandering.
10. Our aim, for the long term, should be a Reimagined State in which taxes and spending can be lower, productivity higher and government seen as enabling not directing, with political consensus behind such a radical restructuring of the state.
Alongside this policy agenda would come a wholesale reconfiguration of government. Not civil-service retraining, but a new cadre of workforce, with the specialist technical skills necessary to do systemic change. Departments effectively run by ministers not exclusively from the ranks of Parliament if they have the necessary experience and capability in change management, with special provision for them to be accountable.
Without an agenda of this nature, radical but sensible, Britain will continue its long slide towards relegation from the Premier League of nations.
It is not inevitable we decline. Britain still has huge strengths, a highly talented people and a residual respect in the world. But we must show we understand how that world is changing and what our place in it should be. That requires, in turn, a fundamental change in our current politics.
We have done it before and can do it again. But will we?

If I was a brighter person I could probably do an essay analysing this. The biggest question is if this is actually what it seems to be, something to get people to hew closer to Starmer at a troubled time, or Tony, knowing he is despised, writing this to send people's Burnham way.

Given some of his remarks I almost lean towards the latter, though I'll admit to bias because reading that, especially the concluding bullet points, I was reminded that Blair and his ilk see the average voter as nothing more than a value object they need to control the movement of. Or remove.
 
That's understandable, but the mass immigration policies he used during his time as PM pre-date it by 20 years. By the time he got into power the first generation of mass immigration had already arrived and started having multiple kids.
Tv from other decades is eye-opening. Something like Coronation Street, which in the past focussed more on 'slice of life' than constant sensationalism, is particularly enlightening. You'll get random sections where characters discuss the decline of Britain due to immigration and general permissiveness and where it will end up, in a way that has turned out to be so fucking prescient.

But the biggest eye-opener to me, as I've mentioned before, is the original Call the Midwife book, where it's clear that middle eastern/north African grooming gangs already had a deep hold in East London by the mid-50s. So as much as we look back at the 80s and 90s as the safe and cozy society we should be aiming to return to, that's because it's most of us are middle-aged and younger and it's all we can remember. But older adults back then, especially those that lived in cities like London, Birmingham and Manchester could see the damage that was already well set in.
 
It looks like the whole escapade was a test run for ‘house the boat illegals in people’s spare rooms or else’.
I think about the bedroom tax when I see stuff like this. I always viewed that as a test run for getting some kind of coercion based on housing in place. I have a feeling it’ll be well, you’re on universal credit/have a council house/social housing and now you have a spare room since little deano went to college so now either you downsize or you host Mukembe and Ahmed
 
I think about the bedroom tax when I see stuff like this. I always viewed that as a test run for getting some kind of coercion based on housing in place. I have a feeling it’ll be well, you’re on universal credit/have a council house/social housing and now you have a spare room since little deano went to college so now either you downsize or you host Mukembe and Ahmed
It's funny, but in that Russell T Davies dystopian fear fest, Years and Years, in 2028, the terrifying far-right government forced people with spare rooms to take in the homeless.

They really do tell on themselves all the times.
 
Don't you people have AC?
Afro-Caribbeans? Yeah, we got some of those. They're not for sale though.

Also houses built for keeping heat can also keep cool air as well. The Eternal Anglo whining about the heat is just performative, we have the means and the tech to solve the problem we just choose not to.
These rapists are still not technically adults
Personally, anyone who commits crimes that heinous regardless of age should be executed. Same with those whose IQ is too low to understand what they did was wrong. The kids who killed James Bulger should have been executed after being convicted and it's embarrassing that we didn't.
 
Zia Yusuf can see which way the winds are blowing (archive down, pending), clarifying that ALL foreigners in social housing fail Reform's economic test and will be reported. This was in response to 'Basil the Great' criticising Reform's 'weak sauce' policy and promoting Restore's Deport 'em All policy instead.
Who knows how much this is Zia jockeying positions against Jenrick vs actual policy debate.

Obviously when push comes to shove, you won't have Nige kicking down doors of council flats because the BBC will run stories about sad children who will grow up to stab each other getting deported back to Somalia.
But back to my other point. Let's say that you're Big Baz who was racist in greggs, the judge goes "no prison for you because it's only serious offenders that go to prison" but the courts get pissy enough to push for an increase in sentence because they're run by brown judges who hate white people. Big Baz is now getting shanked in prison. IF and I mean IF another summer of love happens then everything is in place to make sure that the rioters die in prison.

I mean none of this will technically matter because those lads will just 'disappear' into the community and change their names, but everything about this case basically sums up how Labour has managed to somehow make the prison service even worse in just two years.
This is why the people are fucked regardless of the response. You behave and continue to be a PAYE pig for the HMO and hotel occupants raping everyone or you don't behave and they will ensure that you see the inside of a prison cell for half a decade for not liking rape.

The system has already shown it is an orphan crushing machine, anytime it gets involved is to crush more orphans. If Herr Starmer is talking about this, it's not because they hate rape but because they see it as a useful end to ensure more orphans and more crushing wheels and more grinding, grinding, grinding, grinding, grinding, keep on fucking grinding!

Nothing good will come of this. They'll either make a show of doing something and then lock everyone up for pointing it out, or they'll bring in some law that the mere accusation of rape is sufficient to be considered guilty and comes with a mandatory 50 year sentence, unless you're some kind of sexual or racial minority and then the sentencing guidelines don't count.
 
I think that Ukies are similar enough to Europeans that they can integrate well enough,
Fuck off and don't come back again with this attitude. Eastern Europeans and Western Europeans have completely different world views that cannot be mixed. Eastern Europeans had to live under the soviet block where decent people were killed off. It created the same culture as Indians have where it's your fault if you get scammed and everyone is looking to get one over on each other. If you lived in an area where the Polish used to populate you would realize just how bad Eastern Europeans are.
I heard a lot of bad things about Ukies. Mainly the women shagging the Brit menfolk and smirking at the Brit women about it, the Ukie men doing everything to undercut Brit men, and the whole lot just generally being entitled supercunts because they were everyone’s pet refugee darlings.
Eastern European men in my experience have given me way worse vibes than even niggers and pakis do. They have the exact same Izzat culture where any slight is taken as personal and they turn violent quickly. Especially in groups and their fondness for vodka not helping the matter.

The Women are infamous race mixers. They have little loyalty to their own men and will shit out mixed race babies in foreign countries. When they did polling information on such things the data said Polish women in the UK had more mixed race babies than any other group. Eastern European women who can sleep around and cause so much fucking damage by fucking up families (men shouldn't cheat), having bastard children and just in general being a problem all sluts are but ramped up to 11. There's a reason for Mail order bride used to be "Russian bride" and the attractive women doing anything to get out of Eastern Europe and monkey branching mixed with the criminality of the men (often combined) destroys a high trust society. They're like Gypos and I don't care how pale or European they are, I don't want to live with either group near me.
But the biggest eye-opener to me, as I've mentioned before, is the original Call the Midwife book, where it's clear that middle eastern/north African grooming gangs already had a deep hold in East London by the mid-50s. So as much as we look back at the 80s and 90s as the safe and cozy society we should be aiming to return to, that's because it's most of us are middle-aged and younger and it's all we can remember. But older adults back then, especially those that lived in cities like London, Birmingham and Manchester could see the damage that was already well set in.
When I was a kid people only went into the cities if it was essential and you went in holding your nose because the places already stunk and were full of dirty people who didn't take care of the place. We used to have really beautiful towns, they were the nice parts of the country. I remember Milton Keynes as a kid and it seemed so fancy, high class and high tech when you went to the really big shopping areas. They were clean, they were shiny and you felt like it was something building up a brighter tomorrow. Go to those same places today and it's like every other shit hole in the land. That sense of hope made people take care of things so they would last into the bright future. Now everything is fucked so why bother? Lets pay 100,000 grand for some meaningless art project in a train station cause we have nothing better to do with our money.
Personally, anyone who commits crimes that heinous regardless of age should be executed. Same with those whose IQ is too low to understand what they did was wrong. The kids who killed James Bulger should have been executed after being convicted and it's embarrassing that we didn't.
At 14 you know what rape is and you know what you're doing.

I'm convinced the judge was threatened by gypos and tried to save his own skin. Having experience with gypos you know how they act when their kids are on the line. They will directly clash with any authority using as much violence as they can. Police need full riot gear to go any where near them or they get pelted with bricks and molotovs. So I'm betting some gypo sow told the blokes to go tell the judge if "they take our kids off us" they were going to set fire to his house with him in it. It's gypo 101. Probably the most dangerous people in the country in terms of random violence and retaliation to even the smallest push back.

This made me laugh when I was trying to find a thread I posted in just now.
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Blair lays out a plan to push Labour back to a true blairite path. After sending Gordo and Harriet to chaperone Starmer, he's demanding policy changes.
Times must be dire of Labours regional manger has come down to give Starmer a talking to. Also just highlights that among others, Blair is still very much running Labour.
 
Who knows how much this is Zia jockeying positions against Jenrick vs actual policy debate.
The more he talks about it, the more the idea is put in the public eyes. Last year, you would have never seen the word 'remigration' on a national level, and now you do.

Restore Britain is being tarnished as the 'male only' party, which is strange because Islam is male-only and yet so lauded by the establishment, but Lowe claims that polling and final votes had Restore winning 58% of the female vote in Yarmouth. (X) That's pretty fucking big, even if you account for him being a very local figure. In 2024's elections, YouGov estimated that only 6% of women voted for Reform, and 26% for the Conservatives.
This analysis claiming Restore Britain’s support comes primarily from young men is completely wrong.

Polling in Great Yarmouth had us winning 58% of the female vote, and our final score actually outperformed that poll’s main figure.

Our canvassing data has vast support among young women, with members expressing genuine surprise at how many are supporting us on the doorsteps - particularly in Makerfield.

Why is that?

Because Restore Britain is putting the safety and wellbeing of these women ahead of the millions of third world scumbags, sex pests and rapists that Labour, Reform and Conservative politicians have imported into our communities.

This should not be a controversial thing to do.

Restore Britain will make our streets and town centres safe again for British women.

It is not racist to voice these concerns, as so many women have been told. They shouldn't have to walk through large gangs of foreign men loitering on street corners, shouting in foreign languages and generally making local women feel like dirt.

It's not right. It's not fair.

A Restore Britain Government will stop it.

That is why millions of British women are turning to Restore Britain.
Picture from Broughty Ferry. The Scottish goth girls are voting Restore, are you?
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Picture from Broughty Ferry. The Scottish goth girls are voting Restore, are you?
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This picture looks like a bad DnD party.

Two dwarves.
A Wizard in a flat cap
Some faggy elf thing
Girl who cuts herself and wants to play freak shit
Girl who watched Critical Roll and thinks she can get attention on her instagram for playing.

Restore will be popular with women who don't want to get raped by foreigners. Which is becoming an increasing concern for women who are starting to notice.
 
Local news: my local Subway has been jeetified. All the native British staff have been replaced with Indians. Walked straight back out.

I am appalled at this lack of diversity and will be looking to make a complaint.
 
Subway is said to have a relatively low upfront franchise fee and smaller initial cash investment to get a location running compared to other fast food chains so that may have to do with it.
In America the government and banks preferentially offer loans to immigrants (non-white). Importing debtors is the economic motive, not "cheap labor." If your chain restaurants are getting jeeted, your government is presumably doing the same.

You don't need a job to be in debt. Better that you don't, in fact. Then the taxpayers cover it. Guaranteed.
 
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