Iran Crisis & the 2026 War between Iran and the United States, Gulf States, and Israel - Please focus on news and coverage, not argumentation.

[JambledUpWords]

 

[Chuckwagon]

Pahlavi has issued a new message, besides repeating encouragement & Trump's words ('help is on the way') to all who can/will hear, he's also called upon the regular military forces or Artesh to defect and warns that they don't have much time left to do so. He was supposed to visit Mar-a-Lago for a prayer breakfast today too, but apparently ended up not attending in person and instead sent a pre-filmed video statement...because he's been summoned to 'pressing meetings' in DC where, of course, Trump also is.

 

[MugolEx]

I just want Trump to blow up the Ayatollah already. If there isn't at least one happening every week I assume I must assume nothing ever happens. I am your average American vooter. I must be ENTERTAINED!

 

[D. Dimmadome]

Pull a Venezuela but kill the leadership and get Iran back on the long road to a secular democratic republic, hopefully.

No, we aren't making the same mistake we made in Afghanistan and creating a power vacuum. If we had restored the Afghan Monarchy, the Taliban would not be in power today. The former King was still alive and had presided over 30 years of peace during his reign but no, we had to try to shoehorn a republic and it ended in a spectacularly terrible fashion.

 

[Gandhi's Left Hook]

Warsaw Uprising, the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising was only the Jews and over a year prior

The Poles held out 2 Months, the Jews barely didn't even last a month.

Yeah, my bad, I misspoke. I mean to say the Warsaw uprising.

I think its perfectly obvious to everyone that the reason the USA is gung ho about this is because its an opportunity to really stick the sword into the throat of a strategic enemy that has vexed America for almost half a century

Yeah, sure, but that doesn't mean anything I said isn't possible. If we strike too soon, then we risk looking like instigators. The worse it gets in Iran, the more we are going to be viewed as saviors. This is basic politics.

It could argued in fact the Iranian people are the ones dragging the Mullahs in front of the Americans for the blade.

Sure, you can argue that. They are definitely spilling their blood bravely against the regime. But that's my entire point. What you said here IS the argument, and it's a good one. Is it the real one, though? It's an age-old tactic to use one enemy against another. ESPECIALLY when one side doesn't view you as their enemy but as a friend. Every time these protests failed in the past, the survivors became more bitter and more inclined to seek Mossad help.

Both things can be true at the same time.

What both things are you talking about here?

This doesn't mean the Iranian people wont be happy with the result though

Hopefully, they are happy with the result. Having thousands of the most vocal activists killed is a good way to insure that civil unrest doesn't get out of control if they aren't though.

 

[Snekposter]

Vietnam is the living embodiment of the Corneliu Zelea Codreanu quote "If I had but one bullet and were faced by both an enemy and a traitor, I would let the traitor have it"

We might have fucked their shit up for eighteen years but we didn't backstab them like the Chicoms.

We also didn't turn them into a mistreated vassal for almost a thousand years like the Chinese did.

we made the sun rise on them, twice

Okay, I need to steal that for future use: "Land of the Two Rising Suns".

I just want Trump to blow up the Ayatollah already. If there isn't at least one happening every week I assume I must assume nothing ever happens. I am your average American vooter. I must be ENTERTAINED!

ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED? IS THIS NOT WHY YOU ARE HERE?

 

[Maori Kiwifruit Growers]

I just want Trump to blow up the Ayatollah already. If there isn't at least one happening every week I assume I must assume nothing ever happens. I am your average American vooter. I must be ENTERTAINED!

I VOOOOTTTED FOR THIS!!

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

What is also true is that Mossad and probably CIA have been embedded with protestors since the begining. The goal has always been to use the blood of innocent Iranians as an excuse for regime change.

If those CIA agents and Mossad were so powerful then why couldn't they trigger an uprising during the 12 day war?

your whole premise relies on the smartest population in the middle east outside of Jews to be easily manipulated by outside forces despite it already being shown that they couldn't be.

t's an age-old tactic to use one enemy against another. ESPECIALLY when one side doesn't view you as their enemy but as a friend.

why would either the Americans or the Israelis see the Iranian people as an enemy?

 

[Nice Stick]

"It's an ugly country, a Muslim country!"

Did they land in New York City?

 

[mindlessobserver]

No, we aren't making the same mistake we made in Afghanistan and creating a power vacuum. If we had restored the Afghan Monarchy, the Taliban would not be in power today. The former King was still alive and had presided over 30 years of peace during his reign but no, we had to try to shoehorn a republic and it ended in a spectacularly terrible fashion.

What good is paying for all this military stuff if we don't get to use it?! We require more Toby Keith songs played to a montage of cruise missiles being launched with an American Flag waving in the background!

 

[Scout Trooper]

What good is paying for all this military stuff if we don't get to use it?! We require more Toby Keith songs played to a montage of cruise missiles being launched with an American Flag waving in the background!

 

[RamblinRosie]

Did they land in New York City?

This made me chuckle.

Also, for all the people arguing about wahhabism or w/e, the issue is that whatever form it takes, following islam properly means perpetual terrorism. If you truly believe in it, the texts state that the end times will not come until all the jews are destroyed. They also give men free rein to diddle basically whoever they want, at whatever age they want, to compel mankind to submit to the religion or pay protection money, and to subjugate anyone who disagrees through whatever means necessary.

Also, the only surefire way to guarantee a ticket into the islamic heaven is to martyr yourself for the cause. The more devout and faithful a muslim you are, the more hateful, sadistic, violent, angry, depressed, and perverted you become. Western democracy will NEVER work in a muslim majority country.

You can't negotiate with jihaadis.

 

[GettrGriftr]

American media are apparently acknowledging the estimated 12,000 resistors being murdered by the IRGC (on order of Khamenei).

https://www.disclose.tv/id/k9l81uud4b/

On edit: People are saying that Tehran has changed from a city of resistance to a war zone.

 

[Scale Smerch]

Pahlavi has issued a new message, besides repeating encouragement & Trump's words ('help is on the way') to all who can/will hear, he's also called upon the regular military forces or Artesh to defect and warns that they don't have much time left to do so. He was supposed to visit Mar-a-Lago for a prayer breakfast today too, but apparently ended up not attending in person and instead sent a pre-filmed video statement...because he's been summoned to 'pressing meetings' in DC where, of course, Trump also is.





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Any journalist worth anything will be watching his movements for the next while. If Pahlavi quietly leaves the US sometime soon better than even odds it's only to one place.

 

[Blue Flying Leaf]

I know this is very difficult to understand with an IQ as low as yours, but when you kill that many people, it normally necessitates foreign involvement. In simpler terms, killing 12,000 people means the US has more reason to blow people up. Hope this helps!

Last time the protesters organized a regime change, regime got changed and 20k were pepsied over night.
Once the revolution is done, new government doesn't need the revolutionaries anymore so they are executed.
Tale as old as KGB

You're not wrong, they definitely want the wallet more than the moral support. It's basically a protection racket where we pay the premiums and get nothing but kvetching in return. But saying Palestine is just a focus? That implies the rest of the neighborhood isn't also screaming for a handout while burning the flag on the weekends. They all want a slice of the pie; it's just that Israel has the better lobbyists. The whole region is a money pit with different marketing teams.

Not just money, time, effort and military. Known since the roman times, the monkey sandbox is death for armies.
In other interesting news, value of Iranian rial fell to 0.

If those CIA agents and Mossad were so powerful then why couldn't they trigger an uprising during the 12 day war?

They got outsmarted and glowies executed

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/8/12/iran-says-it-arrested-21000-suspects-during-12-day-war-with-israel-us

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/12/20/iran-executes-man-accused-of-spying-for-israels-mossad-state-media

You misunderstood me. He was a visionary and skilled, but too soft to actually finalize his dreams. He didn't rip Islamist influence away completely and instead made a soft compromise.

You can't rip islam out of turkey. He did his best tho and he achieved to create a modern state. I wouldn't really call it he failed to finalize his dreams as everything was going in the right way, more secular country by the year.
It is the issue nobody continued that dream and everyone thought the islamist leader won't be harmful. Well, like in Iran and other current shitholes this wasn't the case as we can see now.

It is only proving that - once your country is taken over by Muslims it's never going back. 40k dead and fartatolyah is still in position.
This dude is serving longer than most people on this board have been alive.

 

[Gandhi's Left Hook]

If those CIA agents and Mossad were so powerful then why couldn't they trigger an uprising during the 12 day war?

Obviously, the timing wasn't right. With the rial in total freefall and the worst drought in modern history, the time is ripe for a revolution. They tried before when the economy wasn't total shit, and they didn't get enough momentum. They need more than just agitators, they need the normal people in the streets as well.

your whole premise relies on the smartest population in the middle east outside of Jews to be easily manipulated by outside forces despite it already being shown that they couldn't be.

Anyone is susceptible to manipulation, even the Jews. Look no further than Nazi Germany before the purges happened. There were even Jews selling other Jews out to try and save their own skin. This is an absolutely retarded argument by you, and you should be ashamed. You won't be, but you should.

why would either the Americans or the Israelis see the Iranian people as an enemy?

Not all Iranians, but the agitators. They will serve no purpose after the revolution and can only cause problems if they don't get their fair share of the pie. They will feel quite deserving of a large chunk after shedding so much blood. It's much easier to have as many of them killed off as possible before liberation.

 

[DumbDude43]

(Yes, I know Ruhollah Khomeini was smart, for an Azerbaijani, but that wasn't a heritable condition to his successors.)

i'm sure that khamenei, soleimani, and all the other leaders of the state are very smart as well.
but being smart doesn't protect against falling prey to groupthink, delusion, magical thinking, and all the other mental traps that you run into when you are inside a theocratic state that runs on religious fanaticism.
you get these pitfalls pretty much everywhere where ideology and power come together in some form. ussr, nazi germany, contemporary western society too - we have plenty of smart people who adamantly believe that troons should be treated as real women and that we should outlaw diesel engines because climate change.

 

[GettrGriftr]

you get these pitfalls pretty much everywhere where ideology and power come together in some form. ussr,

Lysenko, I'm looking in your direction....

(Yes, your analysis was much more on the nose.)

 

[Blue Flying Leaf]

but being smart doesn't protect against falling prey to groupthink, delusion, magical thinking, and all the other mental traps that you run into when you are inside a theocratic state that runs on religious fanaticism.

I don't think they care
When you have more than 10% of population religious fanatics, others will fall in line
The drought is just god punishing them and it's americans that crashed their currency or something

You can't fix that shithole by bombing them further

The process in turkey was done by economic prosperity where religion was not needed as much anymore and wasn't a center of everything
These protests will do nothing. They have more bullets than there are people and getting rid of few ameripozzed mouths is always a good thing.

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

They got outsmarted and glowies executed
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/8/12/iran-says-it-arrested-21000-suspects-during-12-day-war-with-israel-us https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/12/20/iran-executes-man-accused-of-spying-for-israels-mossad-state-media

Mossad has tons more

Obviously, the timing wasn't right. With the rial in total freefall and the worst drought in modern history, the time is ripe for a revolution. They tried before when the economy wasn't total shit, and they didn't get enough momentum. They need more than just agitators, they need the normal people in the streets as well.

You talk about how the Mossad can manipulate people into revolting and then go well... it needs to be the right conditions.

Anyone is susceptible to manipulation, even the Jews. Look no further than Nazi Germany before the purges happened. There were even Jews selling other Jews out to try and save their own skin. This is an absolutely retarded argument by you, and you should be ashamed. You won't be, but you should.

Individual cases vs the whole populace.

Not all Iranians, but the agitators. They will serve no purpose after the revolution and can only cause problems if they don't get their fair share of the pie. They will feel quite deserving of a large chunk after shedding so much blood. It's much easier to have as many of them killed off as possible before liberation.

This is a democratic revolution, not a communist one