Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Don't get your panties in a twist, Orbán being correct and straightforward in this case is like a broken clock..
i have solid proof that orban is doing at least something good for hungary: eu leadership hates him.

moreover, only for the fact he refused hungary to become a kasbah is a very good thing.

is he corrupt? sure. is he stealing? sure. does he lies? lol absolutely yes.
show me a top politicians who doesnt do that, and on top of it, is hell bent on destroying his own country.

chances that, if orban goes, someone better than him comes? less than zero.
 
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The Russians have crossed the Haichur River and secured several fortified positions; it happened a lot sooner than I thought it would. Expect for some heavy fighting along the river for a few days or a week before an eventual collapse akin to what was seen after Uspendivka was liberated.
 
Apart from the Commando Order in 1943 and Jews/Blacks/"racial inferiors", the Nazis to my knowledge more or less abided by the Geneva Convention when dealing with Western Allied POWs (if we ignore incidents like Malmedy). That included Red Cross parcels and the like. With the Soviets, they didn't bother as they were classed as Slavs. Parties that didn't sign the convention behaved as expected.
Amerimutts won't like this. There's a basically cult of the special forces in American culture. War is their religion and SOCOM are their saints.
We came a long way from there. Today, it's OK to drone your own citizens, torture people because >flips notes< they're terrorists, commit piracy and extrajudicial killings on the high sea, bomb 2000 civilians in a building because muh hamas terrorists and literally commit genocide while your own soldiers video-document all. And that's just the recent few incidents with israel and the us.
My english teacher (ex US soldier) told me that if they took this shit seriously and tried them, his whole platoon would be in jail..
So, while humanely it would be nice to adhere to these conventions, it's an absolute stretch goal in every war.

i have solid proof that orban is doing at least something good for hungary: eu leadership hates him.

moreover, only for the fact he refused hungary to become a kasbah is a very good thing.
Not disputing that. He's doing some good things, even if half of them aren't working or just propaganda wins.
About the migrants, I think he realized that most people don't like it and uses it as a political carrot & stick (because ofc all opposition will flood the country with migrants, even if that's not actually true). There are a lot of topics where he's technically true, but for the wrong reason.
But half wins are better than Ls.

is he corrupt? sure. is he stealing? sure. does he lies? lol absolutely yes.
show me a top politicians who doesnt do that, and on top of it, is hell bent on destroying his own country.
He wouldn't be in a pinch in this election, if half of the country wouldn't hate him for completely valid reasons (let's not talk about leftoid retards and nafoids, those people are hopeless): steal every public procurement, raising taxes (hungary is on par wit switzerland in taxation) while keeping public services on soviet level "shit you get" and not investing in the country enough.

chances that, if orban goes, someone better than him comes? less than zero.
Well, not the current glowie "opposition leader", that's for sure, but there are other parties not bunched with the lefties that would worth a shot. But I'm afraid you're correct on this one.
 
steal every public procurement, raising taxes (hungary is on par wit switzerland in taxation
i have a very good friend/colleague who keeps me updated on the hungarian situation. some of orban policies are outright retarded, like the price controls he tried a couple times.
by thw way, if taxes are on swiss level, you should be happy because in europe switzerland has some of the lowest taxes. 8% VAT for example. i think in hungary they are actually higher.
my friend just got married and he told me he is getting subsidies to buy a house and have kids. granted, thats a retarded policy and wont do any good to the already absurdly high rents/prices of houses but at least he is trying.

Well, not the current glowie "opposition leader", that's for sure,
i know about that guy. my friend is all hopeful he will win, but i gave him a few reasons why he shouldnt. he is an EU/globalists plant if i have ever seen one and would spell disaster for hungary.

orban has certainly a lot of shortcomings, as yanukovich did in ukraine. but look at ukraine now.
 
as yanukovich did in ukraine. but look at ukraine now.
Yanukovich fascinates me. A recurring theme of the RWA special on Maidan and it's aftermath is that Yanukovich, and the Party of Regions, were hollow, "technocratic" functionaries with no real constituency, either in Ukraine or abroad. This is not to say that Russophiles in Ukraine were all a Kremlin psyop, but rather that Yanukovich was entirely uninterested in meaningfully representing them or their interests.
 
i have a very good friend/colleague who keeps me updated on the hungarian situation. some of orban policies are outright retarded, like the price controls he tried a couple times.
by thw way, if taxes are on swiss level, you should be happy because in europe switzerland has some of the lowest taxes. 8% VAT for example. i think in hungary they are actually higher.
my friend just got married and he told me he is getting subsidies to buy a house and have kids. granted, thats a retarded policy and wont do any good to the already absurdly high rents/prices of houses but at least he is trying.
Last time I bothered to calculate, something 60+% of your total salary goes to Mr. Government in hungary, as a simple wokrslave in hungary - that is income tax, social security (18%), and VAT when you spend your cash. That's only your day-to-day living shit. There's another realm of fares you pay when you do anything else (like: inherit an already twice paid real estate)

i know about that guy. my friend is all hopeful he will win, but i gave him a few reasons why he shouldnt. he is an EU/globalists plant if i have ever seen one and would spell disaster for hungary.

orban has certainly a lot of shortcomings, as yanukovich did in ukraine. but look at ukraine now.
This is exactly the case: Yanukovich wouldn't have to cede power to the fucktards if he acually were popular, because of his actions in ukraine. Like Orban, he was the lesser evil, but he wasn't a good head of state by any means.
That's being said, I see a bleak future in hungary if that tard globalist golem Magyar Peter wins this time - either "rightfully" or by EU corrected democracy.

Yanukovich fascinates me. A recurring theme of the RWA special on Maidan and it's aftermath is that Yanukovich, and the Party of Regions, were hollow, "technocratic" functionaries with no real constituency, either in Ukraine or abroad. This is not to say that Russophiles in Ukraine were all a Kremlin psyop, but rather that Yanukovich was entirely uninterested in meaningfully representing them or their interests.
See my remarks on orban. He was the local high point, but unfortunately, that was rather low bar. A common theme in post-socialism east european leadership.
 
Last time I bothered to calculate, something 60+% of your total salary goes to Mr. Government in hungary,
Low 60s might be standard at this point, Russia is somewhere atound this ballpark too (it was 56 before latest tax hikes).
This is not to say that Russophiles in Ukraine were all a Kremlin psyop, but rather that Yanukovich was entirely uninterested in meaningfully representing them or their interests.
Precisely. The actual Russophile parties did exist but were fairly minor, while the Party of Regions appeared to be vaguely pro-Russian but in practice were pro-their wallets. By 2014 there were just too many broken promises to not bleed credibility like a hose and Yanukovich was expected to win only if facing an actual Nazi.
Our liberal government had no desire to change that - working with fellow crooks and thieves is much easier than working with people who have ideals. And follow them. Moscow ex-mayor Luzhkov personally did more for the Russian cause in Ukraine than them.
 
but rather that Yanukovich was entirely uninterested in meaningfully representing them or their interests.
which is SOP in western politics. the US congress work for the donors. the EU politicians work for the globalists. and so on. politicians working for their people are exceptions.
yanukovich, with all his shortcomings, was somehow riding correctly the position of ukraine between EU and Russia. he was not removed for nothing.
Last time I bothered to calculate, something 60+% of your total salary goes to Mr. Government in hungary,
thats even a low number, for european standards.
I see a bleak future in hungary if that tard globalist golem Magyar Peter wins this time - either "rightfully" or by EU corrected democracy.
absolutely agree.
 
EU: RUSSIA IS GOING TO ATTACK US!
Russia: I'm not.
EU: We'll introduce sanctions!
Russia: Still no.
EU: How about we steal your money?
At this point, the play looks like they're trying to force Russia into doing something drastic so they can play the victim card.
 
At this point, the play looks like they're trying to force Russia into doing something drastic so they can play the victim card.
They won't get that. The likely retaliation is Russia will probably sue the eurocrats and win back their money eventually in UAE, Singapore, Malaysia and Hong Kong Banks. Euroclear has a lot of money abroad in places where both DC and Brussels don't have the political power to override rulings. Precisely why the actual European bankers have been screaming stop over the stunt.
 
At this point, the play looks like they're trying to force Russia into doing something drastic so they can play the victim card.
Or they'll just create a false flag predicate for war. It's not like Germany hasn't done it before. Russia might want to consider a new uniform design after Ukraine is over so none of the old ones can be used like they did in Poland 80 years ago.
 
Don't get your panties in a twist, Orbán being correct and straightforward in this case is like a broken clock.. Orbán is still your typical corrupt east european shithole mobster, contrary to what his fanbois (including here) will tell you.
He has bowed to the Jew Cocksheathe wall like Trump.
This is one of the few things we can't fault the nazis for. Commandos (and modern special forces) are 100% ordered to murder anyone who might be an obstacle, even if there's only the smallest chance they'll notice/realise what's going on and do anything, or if they are surrendering or have surrendered, or even if they are civilians. They give no mercy, and so naturally deserve none. The type of man who applies to become a special forces soldier is already subhuman filth, wiping these would-be murderers out is a good deal for everyone concerned. They're on par with snipers and drone operators.

On the other hand, killing them while they're surrendering is a dumb move, it only means they'll be encouraged to fight to the last breath instead. Instead capture them and then simply don't trade them back in POW exchanges until after the end of the war. You could cut off their fingers and render them combat ineffective in other ways also, but then it becomes imperative this doesn't get out.
Does anybody remember Isabella Janke, the little fungus gremlin of two glowies?

That said, paratroopers were generally ordered not to surrender either. Hungarian ones during WW2 eventually earned a "shoot on sight" policy because they were absolutely brutal in infantry vs infantry on the eastern front and later in the Reich Retreat, going toe to toe with T-34s with only anti tank grenades. I don't think they did special ops glowie shit like that where glowies kill every civilian just in case, though Hungary had a reputation for simply obliterating any shelter a shooter was shooting from, which happened to be serbian rebels who had the islamically bright idea to take potshots at the invaders from the home window with their families in the bedroom, which lead to ... predictable results when the Royal Army turned their peasant house into Swiss Cheese by bullets in response. Which is mean but it is kind of retarded to shoot at people with your family behind you.
i have solid proof that orban is doing at least something good for hungary: eu leadership hates him.

moreover, only for the fact he refused hungary to become a kasbah is a very good thing.

is he corrupt? sure. is he stealing? sure. does he lies? lol absolutely yes.
show me a top politicians who doesnt do that, and on top of it, is hell bent on destroying his own country.

chances that, if orban goes, someone better than him comes? less than zero.
Agreed but damn he is really fucking corrupt to the point that Zelenskyiyiyiyi's hate for him is more envy.
Not disputing that. He's doing some good things, even if half of them aren't working or just propaganda wins.
About the migrants, I think he realized that most people don't like it and uses it as a political carrot & stick (because ofc all opposition will flood the country with migrants, even if that's not actually true). There are a lot of topics where he's technically true, but for the wrong reason.
But half wins are better than Ls.
No matter how corrupt he is, at least Orbán is not a total retarded.
He wouldn't be in a pinch in this election, if half of the country wouldn't hate him for completely valid reasons (let's not talk about leftoid retards and nafoids, those people are hopeless): steal every public procurement, raising taxes (hungary is on par wit switzerland in taxation) while keeping public services on soviet level "shit you get" and not investing in the country enough.
Healthcare funding: zero.
Army funding: Trump manages to badger him into it.
Oligarch funding: Oh boy. His rumored half brother of an oligarch is supposedly richer than the RUSSIAN ones, the British Royal Family or JK Rowling the Terf queen. He got his wealth in a single decade. He is a plumber. When asked how he made so much money that took the british royal house centuries to get, he said he is "Smarter than Zuckenberg" . I googled Russian oligarchs and even those took 2-3 times longer to get the same level of wealth as him. Russia is a richer country than Hungary by the way, bigger too. It is not even satirical or depressing at this point, it is just straight up ridiculous.
It really makes the Hutts blush at corruption and the Imperium look like a model of efficiency, and those are fictional, soy!
i have a very good friend/colleague who keeps me updated on the hungarian situation. some of orban policies are outright retarded, like the price controls he tried a couple times.
by thw way, if taxes are on swiss level, you should be happy because in europe switzerland has some of the lowest taxes. 8% VAT for example. i think in hungary they are actually higher.
my friend just got married and he told me he is getting subsidies to buy a house and have kids. granted, thats a retarded policy and wont do any good to the already absurdly high rents/prices of houses but at least he is trying.


i know about that guy. my friend is all hopeful he will win, but i gave him a few reasons why he shouldnt. he is an EU/globalists plant if i have ever seen one and would spell disaster for hungary.

orban has certainly a lot of shortcomings, as yanukovich did in ukraine. but look at ukraine now.
The price controls were fine. The healthcare being in shambles is a much greater issue. A simple ultrasound takes 3 month waitlists. He definately is the lesser evil.
This is exactly the case: Yanukovich wouldn't have to cede power to the fucktards if he acually were popular, because of his actions in ukraine. Like Orban, he was the lesser evil, but he wasn't a good head of state by any means.
That's being said, I see a bleak future in hungary if that tard globalist golem Magyar Peter wins this time - either "rightfully" or by EU corrected democracy.
He is now reeeeing that Orban's lackeys are all pedos who hate Jesus because they whipped gypsy criminal "yoofs" at a youth correction center.

He fucking glows like Isabella Janke, and even if he didn't he would be more Naive than fucking CHRIS CHAN and that's a GREAT trait to have when you negotiate with such... merciful, kind, forgiving people as Trump, Putin and Xi, who would never, ever take advantage of you. Jesus and kindness and EU NORMS will make them be nice, right? Geg.
 
Dude in a couple of years Ukrainian might be the most hated nationality in Europe. If they actually go through with letting this shithole join the EU this will ruin the lives of millions of people. Like generations of kids will grow up poorer than they could've grown up and everyone will know it's because these fuckers didn't want to let the people from Donbas live as Russians.
 
Dude in a couple of years Ukrainian might be the most hated nationality in Europe. If they actually go through with letting this shithole join the EU this will ruin the lives of millions of people. Like generations of kids will grow up poorer than they could've grown up and everyone will know it's because these fuckers didn't want to let the people from Donbas live as Russians.
What's going to be hilarious is when Ukraine gets rejected for EU membership after all this. It will be a bottomless pit of money that they don't have.
 
Hey don't be too harsh on Gunther, he's a funny guy with a thread here, he also has a path on the Fire Rises Hoi4 mod and has actually played it.

I think all countries should have a Gunther Fehlinger in their politics, a dedicated schizo with a youtube podcast and a schizo path in a Paradox map painting game.
 
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