Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Shutting down self sufficient nuclear plants to rely entirely on russian gas was however. Any step taken to make your country more reliant on outsiders is insanely retarded to the point of treason, especially with a source as safe, clean and efficient as nuclear.

Germany more or less gave away their long term infinite energy glitch to haggle over pennies in the short term.
This wasn't Merkel. It was the Green Party and their American handlers. Merkel just went with the flow to stay in the game.

I feel like the "What comes next" part of the peace deal might see the total collapse of the EU.

Imagine this: You're Ukrainian. You've lost a leg via shrapnel from a drone grenade. You came home to find that your wife has moved to London as a refugee. Zelensky has fled to France following the peace deal. 1/5th of the country is now lost. Every man you grew up with on your street is dead. You get rolling blackouts of electricity because the grid is still reeling from the bombings. Every few days you notice your tapwater is undrinkable.

You think "I guess on the plus side, given that women vastly outnumber the men now, Ukraine should be pushing for families to have 8+ kids to help repopulate Ukraine"

No. 20 million Syrians, Albanians, Afghans, Pakis and Africans will be pushed there as Europe finally has a dustbin to throw their migrants.

The culture that Ukrainians died for, replaced overnight. Not a single fucking country in the EU would see their citizens take up arms.
Why would the EU collapse if we were able to expell shitskins into Ukraine? If that was the underlying goal then it would be a genius move and be praised by the people.

The migrants to fill up Ukraine will come from the countries of origin directly. Not a single oriental will be pushed there against his will.
 
6 glide bombs and 18 gerans (some more *may* be on the way) have struck Zatoka Bridge in Odessa oblast.
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Until the bridge is repaired traffic between Odessa and the bulge that connects Ukraine to Romania will have to pass through the E87.

Even though this route will require crossing the border into the Moldovan village of Palanca this part of the route is legally owned by Ukraine despite being on Moldovan territory, so though there will be problems with having to redirect traffic and equipment through a single route the border won't be an issue.
 
and when the EU goes into a catastrophic economic slump
EU is already there. these processes take years and are hard to spot for the human eye.
yesterday i was in Milano, which used to be a highly industrialized area with thousands of small and medium companies.
now all you see is abandoned structures, full of graffiti and broken glasses.
and the amount of foreigners in the area is staggering.
it was "reasonable" to argue that Russia's war has gravely endangered the European economy as a whole and that, as a result, Article 122 was an appropriate legal basis.

thats the sort of circular argument that was so successfully used for C19. "covid damaged the economy". no it didnt what damaged the economies where the absurd measures like lockdowns, splitting the population in vaxed and unvaxed, essentian and non essential workers and so on.
if that was not a sort of dress rehersal of what expect the europeans, dont know what else it was.

taxation and inflation.
add outright theft and extortion.
many years ago the italians woke up and learned the state had raided their bank accounts and stole some of the money in it. of course it was an emergency.

will Dracula get her hands on it or will the land of waffles fight her off
she will get her way as she always does. she is a soulless psycho and was chosen exactly because of that. stuff like consequences have no meaning for her.
and btw
i expect AfD to be outlawed and their leaders arrested, indicted and convicted like it happened to a bunch of estonians.

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Wasn't it because of Muh Chernobyl and Fukushima retards though?
germany went full retard on nut zero idiocy. fukushima was eventually just an excuse. shutting down the nukes was straight up sabotage writ large. decommissioning a nuke takes decades but they blew up immediately necessary infrastructure like the cooling towers to make sure nobody could change idea.

The EU is not leftist, it’s entirely run by corporate interests.
not sure thats the case. all european companies are getting assraped by the eu elites. and the eu elites are at war with USA big corpos.
EU is run by incompetent psychos.
 
not sure thats the case. all european companies are getting assraped by the eu elites. and the eu elites are at war with USA big corpos.
Not all EU companies. If you tow the line on green policy you get a blank check.
It's not run for good companies, but it is run for companies. People? Fuck them. Manufacturing actually useful things? Fuck them. Agriculture? Double fuck them. But if your business is connected to the most nepo of nepo industries, environmentalism, you'll get away with murder. Even so, the immigration policy is directly targeted at importing cheap labour for all businesses, it's just they're too dumb to see you need to also support more than green business to have the economy to support useless green industry.
EU is run by incompetent psychos.
I don't disagree.
 
Not all EU companies. If you tow the line on green policy you get a blank check.
It's not run for good companies, but it is run for companies. People? Fuck them. Manufacturing actually useful things? Fuck them. Agriculture? Double fuck them. But if your business is connected to the most nepo of nepo industries, environmentalism, you'll get away with murder. Even so, the immigration policy is directly targeted at importing cheap labour for all businesses, it's just they're too dumb to see you need to also support more than green business to have the economy to support useless green industry.

I don't disagree.
aha dont know. i cant think of any industrial or commercial sector that is doing well. some are doing less worse, but thats all. even "green" outfits are suffering because the grandiose plans of electrification are all failing.

maybe some financial and some banks but even those lost a lot of money abandoning russia.

there are exceptions of course, but overall is an unmitigated disaster.
 
i expect AfD to be outlawed and their leaders arrested, indicted and convicted like it happened to a bunch of estonians.
Too big for that. And the ties to the American Government are too tightly knit already. It's kind of ironic that the US is propping up the biggest Russia-friendly party in Germany. But the party is divided between let's say "neutralists" and more traditional transatlantic alligned individuals. It still feels natual tho'. Like you obviously can have differing views on these issues and still want the best for your country. That's the whole idea of the party. Being an alternative where there's not supposed to be an alternative course.

I was obviously concerned about this possibility of the system cracking down but it's not gonna work anymore. The AfD is projected to be getting 40% in the next state elections and we've got Musk. They won't manage to fabricate anything. It worked with the NPD and Republikaner because they were still too small and back then the CDU/CSU was still kinda right wing. Now they're just part of the cartel but they're weak not powerful. You have to be powerful to keep your political opponent in check and the current administration proves day in day out that they're not capable of anything.

The EU and von der Leyen might be another story but that's also just because for now the money keeps everything running. As soon as that dries out there's no chance they can keep up with their bullshit.
 
Even so, the immigration policy is directly targeted at importing cheap labour for all businesses, it's just they're too dumb to see you need to also support more than green business to have the economy to support useless green industry.
Implying the sand- and fullniggers actually want or need to work. For the greatest part they're welfare leeches who, if anything, work under the table. Mass migration to Europe was always meant to destabilize its countries and divide the populace.
In Germany's case that started with the influx of a million turks under the guise of being guest workers in the early sixties. Mass unemployment was already back at the point, so from that standpoint it didn't make any sense. Turned out it was Turkey's demand to get rid of a million unemployed, uneducated Anatolians in exchange for them to join NATO and allow the US to put missiles onto their border to the USSR. Which was of course the prelude to the Cuba Crisis...
That was proven by a document declassified in 2005 (I think) and there was a good article on it in the FAZ in that year... both I can't find anymore for the life of me.
 
Even so, the immigration policy is directly targeted at importing cheap labour for all businesses, it's just they're too dumb to see you need to also support more than green business to have the economy to support useless green industry.
This is 100% not the case because you never see the African and Arab immigrants working. Not in supermarkets, not in coffee shops, not in offices or factories either. You see Indians and Slavs working though. The immigration crisis was created to destroy Europe and make it essentially impossible to recover.
 
Yeah that argument only works for countries that don't have a welfare net like Germany. And we have the greatest welfare system in the world (if it was only for Germans) and yet the most retarded welfare system in the world (since it's for everyone on this planet).

Even worse you'll get more money the more children you have. So shitskins pumping out brown babies every 9 months are getting paid obscene amounts of money. There are confirmed stories of "families" raking in tens of thousands of Euros. And that's only the ones who aren't even cheating the system. So many cases of multiple fake identities who get paid for each of them. So many cases of invented children that do not exist yet their "parents" get paid support for them. I know we're bitching about this for over a decade but I sometimes think people from other countries still don't realize how insane Germany is right now.

And it's not like "well the next generation is going to contribute at least". Their kids are fucking stupid and dumbing down the whole school system with them.

There's ZERO benefits from this migration and it's a war on the people of Europe and white genocide if you look at the grander scale.
 
Do drones carry some type of flag? Or are they just unmarked? The only logical answer I found if he thought it was a hohol drone and realised too late.

Do the drones carry those vacum/pressure wave warheads that use air shockwaves to kill, not fragmentation?
Saw some markings on larger drones, but it's not a common practice.
"Thermobaric" is the word you're looking for, and afaik they exist in man portable sizes (hand- and launched grenade, missile), but I haven't seen any on drones.
Probably because of the makeshift nature of fpv drones - they strap on shit they have, not expensive gadgets.
Also, with drones, you have the precision that makes thermobarics unnecessary.

And it's not like a good dive away might not save you from a drone.
Except if it's not an RPG but some generic explosive warhead with fragmentation (ie: a stick of C4 with a bag of nails)

I guess the next Geneva Convention is going to have to come up with rules about marking your drones and it being a war crime if you dress your drone in the wrong uniform. Fun times.
That might be, but since when did the geneva conventions not used as geneva suggestions in any war?
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I am honestly not used to this level of forthrightness from European leaders and I'm a little nervous how close to Doomsday we may be getting, when politicians speak the truth. But balance is preserved I suppose by the bullshit response from the Commission:
Don't get your panties in a twist, Orbán being correct and straightforward in this case is like a broken clock.. Orbán is still your typical corrupt east european shithole mobster, contrary to what his fanbois (including here) will tell you.
If he really cared about hungary, he'd extricate it from EU/NATO and vow neutrality like switzerland and austria.

Merkel relying on anti-nuclear parties (SocDems and Greens) is what doomed German nuclear power.
Ironically enough, nuclear is by far the greenest and safest of energies, even counting fukushima, chernobyl and all accidents.
 
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The Russians have begin counterattacking the Ukrainian forces to the north of Kupyansk and are traveling down the road to the east to secure the forest patches north of Kucherivka and Petropavlivka.
South of this, the Ukrainians have secured a few more apartment complex buildings and will likely take over that area before the Russians will be able to improve their logistics.
In the southern Lyman direction, the Russians have secured more fortified positions and are advancing deeper within the town Dibrova.
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To the west of Siversk (now called the Rai-Oleksandrivka direction by AMK), the Russians have secured the remaining defensive positions held by the Ukrainians after Siversk. As I said before, the Russians will likely move southwards to assault the towns sitting along the Sukha River.
Some weird shit is happening north of Kostiantynivka and it's looking a lot like the breakthrough seen to the east of Myrnohrad back in June of this year; if the Russians manage to secure Virolyubivka, then several more towns north of the city will likely fall under Russian control and push the FPV drone killzone over the highway between Oleksijevo-Druzhkivka and Kostiantynivka.
Within the Hulyaipole direction, the Russians have secured more towns in front of the Haichur River and might cross over it to secure the town of Zelene and assault the second line of defensive from the south on the portion not covered by the Haichur.
 
Except if it's not an RPG but some generic explosive warhead with fragmentation (ie: a stick of C4 with a bag of nails)
Point is, nobody thinks "this might not be the sort of drone that diving away from might save", they thinkg "this might be the sort of drone that diving away will save me."

We don't know - maybe he was just at the point of extreme fatalism. But to me it looked like he thought it was one of theirs and was saluting it.
 
Point is, nobody thinks "this might not be the sort of drone that diving away from might save", they thinkg "this might be the sort of drone that diving away will save me."

We don't know - maybe he was just at the point of extreme fatalism. But to me it looked like he thought it was one of theirs and was saluting it.
Agree with everything. It looked like to me too that they mistaken the drones identity. I just offered a counter-point to the idea that a short dive will save you from a drone attack. A lot of times, probably yes. But not necessary.

There was an incident early in the war when the piggers mistaken a T72(?) with one of their own, and let it roll into melee range, where it shot a HE shell point blank into the ukies... was not a nice view, but fog of war happens to bigger stuff too, not just drones.
 
That might be, but since when did the geneva conventions not used as geneva suggestions in any war?
Apart from the Commando Order in 1943 and Jews/Blacks/"racial inferiors", the Nazis to my knowledge more or less abided by the Geneva Convention when dealing with Western Allied POWs (if we ignore incidents like Malmedy). That included Red Cross parcels and the like. With the Soviets, they didn't bother as they were classed as Slavs. Parties that didn't sign the convention behaved as expected.
 
There was an incident early in the war when the piggers mistaken a T72(?) with one of their own, and let it roll into melee range, where it shot a HE shell point blank into the ukies... was not a nice view, but fog of war happens to bigger stuff too, not just drones.
I remember that. They just stood there as this tank rolls right up to them.

@White_N A great range of possible reacts seemed appropriate for that. I decided to try out the new LOL reaction at the absurdity of it.
 
Apart from the Commando Order
This is one of the few things we can't fault the nazis for. Commandos (and modern special forces) are 100% ordered to murder anyone who might be an obstacle, even if there's only the smallest chance they'll notice/realise what's going on and do anything, or if they are surrendering or have surrendered, or even if they are civilians. They give no mercy, and so naturally deserve none. The type of man who applies to become a special forces soldier is already subhuman filth, wiping these would-be murderers out is a good deal for everyone concerned. They're on par with snipers and drone operators.

On the other hand, killing them while they're surrendering is a dumb move, it only means they'll be encouraged to fight to the last breath instead. Instead capture them and then simply don't trade them back in POW exchanges until after the end of the war. You could cut off their fingers and render them combat ineffective in other ways also, but then it becomes imperative this doesn't get out.
 
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This is one of the few things we can't fault the nazis for. Commandos (and modern special forces) are 100% ordered to murder anyone who might be an obstacle, even if there's only the smallest chance they'll notice/realise what's going on and do anything, or if they are surrendering or have surrendered, or even if they are civilians. They give no mercy, and so naturally deserve none. The type of man who applies to become a special forces soldier is already subhuman filth, wiping these would-be murderers out is a good deal for everyone concerned. They're on par with snipers and drone operators.

On the other hand, killing them while they're surrendering is a dumb move, it only means they'll be encouraged to fight to the last breath instead. Instead capture them and then simply don't trade them back in POW exchanges until after the end of the war. You could cut off their fingers and render them combat ineffective in other ways also, but then it becomes imperative this doesn't get out.
Amerimutts won't like this. There's a basically cult of the special forces in American culture. War is their religion and SOCOM are their saints.

Anyway, another interesting aspect of the Finnish experience in WWII is the fact that the Russian terms on Helsinki were awfully familiar:
  • Territorial concessions
  • A cap on the size of the Finnish military
  • Enforced Finnish neutrality
Where have we heard this before?
 
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