Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Assuming the owner is still "B", MoA is run by an old German guy called Bernhard(sp?). He was a regular commenter over at SST until Pat Lang shit canned him over being a salty bitch and rabid anti americanism. If memory serves, Pat put it down to B, amongst other things, still being salty over the Allies bombing his grandfathers house during WW2. [edit] Im not saying this to disparage the man, but to point out that he has a big blind spot in his ability to analyse things and it should be taken into account. As Pat once told me "consider the information and the source separately". [/edit]
As an aside, I don't know if any of you all were lurkers over at SST while Pat was still alive but I wish there was an archive accessible still because that place was an absolute gold mine. Shame it went to shit after TTG took over and now seems to be dead.
Hey, it's good to get more context. It's very difficult to find actually neutral sources. Usually you have to read something from both sides to get a fuzzily accurate view. What's SST and who is TTG?
 
Buying Russian gas was never a bad decision insofar as the European economy was concerned
Shutting down self sufficient nuclear plants to rely entirely on russian gas was however. Any step taken to make your country more reliant on outsiders is insanely retarded to the point of treason, especially with a source as safe, clean and efficient as nuclear.

Germany more or less gave away their long term infinite energy glitch to haggle over pennies in the short term.
 
Shutting down self sufficient nuclear plants to rely entirely on russian gas was however. Any step taken to make your country more reliant on outsiders is insanely retarded to the point of treason, especially with a source as safe, clean and efficient as nuclear.

Germany more or less gave away their long term infinite energy glitch to haggle over pennies in the short term.
In descending order of desirability:
  1. Being completely energy self-sufficient.
  2. Being largely energy self-sufficient through a good nuclear baseline and supplementing from countries you trade with.
  3. Being largely energy dependent on countries you trade with.
  4. Being largely energy dependent on countries you trade with and then sanctioning those countries. <<--Germany is here.
 
Hey, it's good to get more context. It's very difficult to find actually neutral sources. Usually you have to read something from both sides to get a fuzzily accurate view. What's SST and who is TTG?
SST (Sic Semper Tyrannis) was Pat Lang's ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._Patrick_Lang ) old blog. The Wikipedo page is pretty decent really for a rundown of who he was. But the short version is that Pat was a VERY serious man in the HUMINT world and an exceptional Special Forces/Intelligence Officer & Operative during Vietnam.
There looks to be a reasonably healthy archive of the old site on wayback - https://web.archive.org/web/20051001000000*/turcopolier.typepad.com - not only was his blog possibly the best website I had ever stumbled on, it was the quality of the comment section that kept me going back every day to see what comments had been approved. Pat's moderation/approval of the comments section was (on posts that he alone had wrote) that he would manually review each and every comment and decide whether to publish them. His criteria was quite simple- does the comment either a) add to the discussion at hand in a meaningful way? or b) ask a not stupid question that could steer the discussion or comment sub threads in an interesting direction? When a guest would author a post they would work with Pat on the approval process. I remember Pat regularly lamenting that the comment section was NOT a place to ask stupid "101" level questions and that SST's discussion was to take place at the "501". Occasionally he would approve some of these 101 level questions and point that commenter to a post or comment thread in the sites archive. It's hard to overstate just how insightful and varied the comments section could be. A lot of the regular commenters and authors would be people from all over the world who were just as accomplished as Pat in their own fields. It was not surprising for example, when discussing something to do with Pakistan, to have serious and capable old hands from ISI putting in effort posts that put the farms to shame or when discussing some virus or illness to have high level people from some country or others Health Ministry posting at length on the topic. He also would mention on occasion that he wished to conduct his blog in a manner paying a homage of sorts to the Salon of old.
The site moved to the domain turcopolier.com at some point following a bunch of fuckery from wordpress. There was also a brief period where Pat tried unsuccessfully to use Disquss but soon dropped it after realising that they were pre-censoring comments.
Following Pat's death in 2023 the reigns for SST were passed on to a user by the name of "The Twisted Genius", TTG for short. He was born to Lithuanian immigrant parents (take note as this will matter in a few sentences time). From what I can garner TTG comes from the SIGINT world, specifically that of the Cold War (70's, 80's). He would allude to these kinds of things in some of his posts and comments and Pat would very rarely call him out on the veracity of what he was saying. On the other hand, if a commenter claimed something (especially something to do with the military or war) and Pat sensed that they were bullshiting he would call them out on it.
The issue with TTG, and what drove a lot of commenters away, is his absolute hatred for Russians and Russia itself. And without Pat to moderate/temper him when the SMO began SST became just another blog that would uncritically repost ISW papers and DeepCope maps.
I've also attached a copy of "Drinking the Kool-Aid" which should be mandatory reading for anyone with a passing interest in the 2003 Iraq War.
 

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Belgium and Russia are junior league.

Legitimizing permanently freezing another countrys assets because of a conflict is a bad move.
Next time EU tries some shit like stealing/nationalizing a chineese company, china would have a new weapon to retailate. Instead of just temporarily blocking strategic exports they could just freeze all financial assets EuroClear has in china.
If you legitimize this, you are giving every trading party a new weapon to use against you in any dispute.
And if you complain they can just point to your legal reasoning here to why them freezing your assets is completely kosher regarding "international law".

Fucking retards. Leftist fucking retards that can not understand second order effects.
 
"This is money from a country with which we are not at war," De Wever said, speaking to reporters at the Belgian parliament. "It would be like breaking into an embassy, taking out all the furniture, and selling it."

I am honestly not used to this level of forthrightness from European leaders and I'm a little nervous how close to Doomsday we may be getting, when politicians speak the trut
They could have used that to leverage free gas passes for a discount to Russia and tie Ukranian aid to letting the gas pass free and laughed to the bank.

EU is retarded and malicious.

Belgium and Russia are junior league.

Legitimizing permanently freezing another countrys assets because of a conflict is a bad move.
Next time EU tries some shit like stealing/nationalizing a chineese company, china would have a new weapon to retailate. Instead of just temporarily blocking strategic exports they could just freeze all financial assets EuroClear has in china.
If you legitimize this, you are giving every trading party a new weapon to use against you in any dispute.
And if you complain they can just point to your legal reasoning here to why them freezing your assets is completely kosher regarding "international law".

Fucking retards. Leftist fucking retards that can not understand second order effects.

They couldn't even think 1 little step ahead that importing 1488 million darkies would get all their pet homos, snobby neighbourhoods, master jews and economies going bye-bye.
 
Russian side just flew a drone to where Zelenskyy took the video with the Kupyansk city name sign...

Spot the difference....
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Would not be first time they fabricated evidence remember recent Pokrovsk flag incident
 

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Shutting down self sufficient nuclear plants to rely entirely on russian gas was however. Any step taken to make your country more reliant on outsiders is insanely retarded to the point of treason, especially with a source as safe, clean and efficient as nuclear.

Reminder that German nuclear phase-out ended the nuclear partnership between Siemens and Rosatom. It was not some kind of Russian win.
 
If you told me Merkel was the traitor I wouldn't have trouble believing it honestly, because its either that or she is literally too retarded to hold office.
Yeah buddy, but a traitor to what? To the German people or Germany, the EU? Who was she working for? Did she get paid for it? How much and what is she gonna do with it? Leave it to her grand kids or spend it all on wine? Apparently she is a wine drinker. How much can she handle in her 70s?

Europe's childless elite.

Merkel and a lot of those EU leaders are selfish and narcistic but without any national self-interest or survival instincts. Elected or not. Merkel doesn't stand for anything and certainly doesn't represent German interests or nationality traits. Unless 1 mln Syrians in Germany is something Goethe and Schiller were writing books about because thats the German schicksal. Same with Macron and Rutte.

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Bro got the stink of death all around him. Because thats what he sees when he looks into his own future. For him its just work work work and then death. No birthdays, weddings, baptisms, stag and does, etc etc. Absolutely nothing to look forward to, except consumption. Russia is not his enemy, thats why he is not fuming like Hitler. Its the image of the grim reaper over his bedroom door and the depression that it brings. He is not corrupt nor suicidal, he is just fuckin tired. Like all of Europe. Ready to lay down to die, not for war though.
For me as a married dad its kinda funny when unmarried bachlors try to motivate you to do something. Cringe. Bro could not even make that one special lady happy, what do you think he can do for a country or the EU?
They used to fight for land in Europe centuries ago, then for religion in the Middle ages and then for ideologies, in the 20th century. This nigger got nothing. Now this faggot comes out and goes like we gotta do something. We GOTTA do something, we gotta put his dick and balls to work ASAP. Otherwise you missed the biological purpose of your existence which is to reproduce before you die.
 
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Would not be first time they fabricated evidence remember recent Pokrovsk flag incident
I always thought that it was weird for Zelensky to be so close to the LOC especially with how recent the advance in that area was. I feel as though they recorded this a bit before the Russians took it a few months back or even last year but didn't bother to release it for some reason. Either that or they decided to only repair a portion of the sign and netting for... reasons?
 
Just when you think you've seen it all...

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Ratios are a childish metric but that one is funny.

Curiously the article that he links in that tweet from The Independent opens to this now. Not sure if it was changed or what's going on but its premise is just as delusional.

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Apart from the fact that the UK military just plain isn’t up to the task, a war against Russia would be fascinating in that the UK will somehow have to drum up support from the most demoralized population ever seen. I don’t think there is any comparable historical analogy, and it would normally be the type of decision that ends up with a violent revolution in which the entire UK government is sent to the guillotine but I wouldn’t hold out hope that a people as cucked as the Brits would actually do anything.

Ukrainian soldier gives a nazi salute to a drone before it kills him.


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I can’t get over these fake-ass Ukrainian Nazis who rally around this suicidal ZOG-led imperative against Russia that is guaranteed to end with their own ethnic replacement by millions of shitskins. Hitler sure would be proud guys!

Reddit meme, but intresting summation of events pointing out how Merkel has done more to help russia the "traitor trump" ever did.
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One has to wonder how the outcome of the war would have been different if Merkel didn't present europe's balls to Putin on a vice one day for no reason at all. If you told me Merkel was the traitor I wouldn't have trouble believing it honestly, because its either that or she is literally too retarded to hold office.
Merkel’s decisions are almost so perfectly designed to destabilize the EU that I’m convinced they were deliberate. I mean she grew up in East Germany and there are rumors she was involved in the Rote Armee Fraktion so a deep operation to destroy the EU once and for all would seem to make sense.
 
I feel like the "What comes next" part of the peace deal might see the total collapse of the EU.

Imagine this: You're Ukrainian. You've lost a leg via shrapnel from a drone grenade. You came home to find that your wife has moved to London as a refugee. Zelensky has fled to France following the peace deal. 1/5th of the country is now lost. Every man you grew up with on your street is dead. You get rolling blackouts of electricity because the grid is still reeling from the bombings. Every few days you notice your tapwater is undrinkable.

You think "I guess on the plus side, given that women vastly outnumber the men now, Ukraine should be pushing for families to have 8+ kids to help repopulate Ukraine"

No. 20 million Syrians, Albanians, Afghans, Pakis and Africans will be pushed there as Europe finally has a dustbin to throw their migrants.

The culture that Ukrainians died for, replaced overnight. Not a single fucking country in the EU would see their citizens take up arms.
 
Those positions are reasonable. I'm not even exactly pro-Russia myself on this, though I've drifted more that way the stupider the EU leaders and Zelensky behave. The human brain is somewhat wired to want to choose between two options always. But what I really want is a stable and lasting peace. And restored trade relations. I consider a Russian victory likely the quickest way to get to those but I'm not naive (completely) nor thinking this is Goodies and Baddies. However, of this thread and the Ukie thread, this is the one I settled on as the one with the highest information content and the greatest tolerance for different views. I try to look at the other from time to time for balance. Not all the posters there are insane.
The funny thing is, I can get people being anti-Russian. Understandable, even, given their sordid history of authoritarianism and imperialistic bent under the guise of the USSR. It also makes them a convenient scapegoat. At some point, however, it really becomes cope when things like your own countries' politician selling you out is also because MUH PUTLER IS FUNDING THEM or something to that effect. Even more hilarious when you get unironic Cold War retards who still think Russia is the Great Enemy BECAUSE I SAID SO.

Sorry bro, sometimes you gotta take the responsibility for your own government failing you, not because the CIA or Jews or Russia or whatever is funding X of the day.
 
Finland would have been better off under Sweden.
Not really, Sweden also had a pretty bad spat of poverty and famine in the 19th century which killed a lot of Swedes even without the excuse of the constant politlical chaos making the Russian empire a basketcase at the same time. The Finns were fucked regardless. Neither Sweden nor Russia were in any state to care for the region.
 
Not really, Sweden also had a pretty bad spat of poverty and famine in the 19th century which killed a lot of Swedes even without the excuse of the constant politlical chaos making the Russian empire a basketcase at the same time. The Finns were fucked regardless. Neither Sweden nor Russia were in any state to care for the region.
Are you saying the Swedish king treated them badly, forced them to learn and speak Swedish (at least in the coastal regions where the king's cannon-boats could encourage swedish culture and language) except for the dissidents in east finland that refused to use the language and culture of their rightful capital and leaders, and claimed they were oppressed?

And eventually Russia stepped in and liberated them?
I have heard that story before but that time they wanted the land russia liberated to be returned to its rightful owners.
I am confused. Why not return this land to its rightful owner too?
 
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