Demating Lemmingwiser about various parts of the Charlie Kirk shooting

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>Leftist smear Trump and right-wing people as fascists for a decade straight
>leftist from Utah finally decides in order to "save our democracy" he needs to shoot said "fascists"
>Charlie Kirk is murdered

Is this really so complicated and difficult to understand that we need to make up schizo theories about Israel? Do we not have hundreds of examples of leftist violence in the last 10 or so years?

Would it be possible for a leftist to shoot him? of course.

Why do you think it's impossible for there to be a larger conspiracy?

Maybe if it weren't for the schizoposting, I think we wouldn't have much else to talk about.


15 december TPUSA is going to address Candace claims and she's going to stream snipe because they're too scared to have her on. That'll be a big news day for this thread.
 
Why do you think it's impossible for there to be a larger conspiracy?
Nowhere in my post did I say that a conspiracy was impossible that would be idiotic. The point I was trying to make is Occam's razor. What is realistically more likely to be true? A radicalized leftist murdered Charlie Kirk because he was fed lies about him being a fascist out to end democracy (Note that we literally already had this same thing happen when Trump was almost murdered in Butler) or an international conspiracy by Mossad to take him out because he started to become more critical of Israel? Which sounds more plausible to you? I think to jump to "It had to be the Jews!" when we already have info on the shooter being a leftoid is nonsensical.
 
Nowhere in my post did I say that a conspiracy was impossible that would be idiotic. The point I was trying to make is Occam's razor. What is realistically more likely to be true? A radicalized leftist murdered Charlie Kirk because he was fed lies about him being a fascist out to end democracy (Note that we literally already had this same thing happen when Trump was almost murdered in Butler) or an international conspiracy by Mossad to take him out because he started to become more critical of Israel? Which sounds more plausible to you? I think to jump to "It had to be the Jews!" when we already have info on the shooter being a leftoid is nonsensical.

I didn't ask why you couldn't believe it was the jews, I asked why it couldn't be a larger conspiracy.

I think occam's razor points to a larger conspiracy. Because the explanation for the following becomes exponentionally more convoluted.

And mind you, they are not forthcoming wih clearing up these contradictions a inconsistencies which you would expect if they had nothing to hide.

1. Brian Harpole, security chief for Charlie Kirk claims to have jumped on charlie, pressed his wound, bandaged it up and started moving him to the car in 14 seconds. The video evidence supports 14 seconds, but not doing any kind of first aid.

2. He also lied that drones were not allowed in the airspace and therefor they didn't have any.

3. Frank Turek from tpusa directly contradicted it, because discussed drone footage they had of that day raising more questions.

4. There was also a first aid guy present who tried to get to charlie but they stopped him. Video evidence of it.

5. There have been 4 different versions of events from tpusa about what mikey mccoy was doing when charlie was shot. In the video you can see him calmly walking away with a phone to his head. Every other person is either running, ducking, going to charlie.

6. One of the guys who ran away immediately and saw charlie kirk being carried away at a distance immediately made a selfie video and declared him dead before he could reasonable know. Then he went back to remove the SD card of footage from behind charlie Kirk, which was never produced.

7. Tyler robinson turned himself in but the footage of it is gone.

8. Alternate lawyers tried to reach him to offer representation but they could not get to him and he is with his assigned council

9. Every test with similar ammunition, even people that went out their way to prove the official story had to admit it is highly unlikely it was 30-06 ammunition. A new test from days ago used a softer tip as some claimed this would be the difference.

10. The claim is that charlie kirk was so unnaturally healthy that his bones stopped the bullet and directed it downwards. That it's a miracle (their words).

10. Andrew Kolvet in an interview with megyn kelly said they're all dealing with their guilt differently. She corrects him and says "grief".

11. Despite being a high profile case, it goes to a new judge, who's only been one since May

12. Despite Charlie Kirk having shared privately that he thought he was going to be killed, the only person in his surrounding to come forward with it has been Candace.

13. People that look at her show and at tpusa seem to consistently start to side with her. Since september her podcast soared from top 15 to top 1 and charlie kirk show dropped from top 5 to top 95.

14. There was an egyptian military plane that stopped at the tiny utah airport. They need US clearance to do so and it's very rare for them to do so, as they typically go to big diplomatic or military hubs.

15. This same plane flew over the area where charlie kirk would be murdered on that same day and returned to the same airport without landing anywhere else. Why would a plane fly and land in the same place? Typically reconaissance I'd say.

16. When people started to look into the history of landings of this and the other egyptian plane they discovered they were in the same time and place as charlie kirk 23 times. But then it was discovered there are 68 overlaps with Erika kirk's location (since 2022).

17. If she was unaware, you'd expect gratitude, curiosity, maybe fear from Erika. But her organisation has instead chosen to blame candace for causing them harassment. 5 december is the first time someone from tpusa claimed these actions are her decisions.

It's also worth pointing out that his organisation denied that charlie kirk was wavering in his support for israel (but it was proven), claimed that candace wasn't his friend (but it was proven) and then claimed they had split less than amicably 7 years ago (but she was main guest at tpusa event in 2024, and in his last week he said he wanted to bring her on his show, while in the texts other(s) tried to talk him out of it.

There comes a point where as much as you want it to be a tranny shooter, the evidence doesn't support him as a lone wolf, but rather as a patsy.

Remember also that Joe Kent head of counterterrorism wanted to look into the case for possible foreign involvement and was blocked by kash "there is nothing in the epstein files" patel.

I can go on for a while. You can wave away a couple of these as coincidences. I would love nothing more than a cassus belli against the crazy trannies and antifa, and cancel them in the way they've been cancelling others. To unite the right against it. I may be Dutch, but your politics has more of an effect on the netherlands than dutch votes do (we're cucks to brussels unfortunately).

The crime scene was paved over in 3 days. Tell me that all of this fits with tyler robinson acting alone.

The 15th is also her husband's birthday.

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btw I don't think the correction was posted here yet, but her husband's birthday is in july. However wikipedia and a couple of other sites listed his birthday as december 15, until it was corrected in the aftermath of the debacle.
 
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The crime scene was paved over in 3 days.
You forgot that Tyler didn't actually shoot Charlie, he just got on the roof with a gun and hung out for a bit while a man with a miniaturized palm gun shot him. No wait, his lapel mike had a bullet and striker hidden inside of it. No wait, it was a blood pack and Charlie is still alive. All of this will make sense once Candace's lawyers finish reviewing her dream about bees to make sure it doesn't contain any classified information so she can talk about it.
 
I didn't ask why you couldn't believe it was the jews, I asked why it couldn't be a larger conspiracy.

I think occam's razor points to a larger conspiracy. Because the explanation for the following becomes exponentionally more convoluted.

And mind you, they are not forthcoming wih clearing up these contradictions a inconsistencies which you would expect if they had nothing to hide.

1. Brian Harpole, security chief for Charlie Kirk claims to have jumped on charlie, pressed his wound, bandaged it up and started moving him to the car in 14 seconds. The video evidence supports 14 seconds, but not doing any kind of first aid.

2. He also lied that drones were not allowed in the airspace and therefor they didn't have any.

3. Frank Turek from tpusa directly contradicted it, because discussed drone footage they had of that day raising more questions.

4. There was also a first aid guy present who tried to get to charlie but they stopped him. Video evidence of it.

5. There have been 4 different versions of events from tpusa about what mikey mccoy was doing when charlie was shot. In the video you can see him calmly walking away with a phone to his head. Every other person is either running, ducking, going to charlie.

6. One of the guys who ran away immediately and saw charlie kirk being carried away at a distance immediately made a selfie video and declared him dead before he could reasonable know. Then he went back to remove the SD card of footage from behind charlie Kirk, which was never produced.

7. Tyler robinson turned himself in but the footage of it is gone.

8. Alternate lawyers tried to reach him to offer representation but they could not get to him and he is with his assigned council

9. Every test with similar ammunition, even people that went out their way to prove the official story had to admit it is highly unlikely it was 30-06 ammunition. A new test from days ago used a softer tip as some claimed this would be the difference.

10. The claim is that charlie kirk was so unnaturally healthy that his bones stopped the bullet and directed it downwards. That it's a miracle (their words).

10. Andrew Kolvet in an interview with megyn kelly said they're all dealing with their guilt differently. She corrects him and says "grief".

11. Despite being a high profile case, it goes to a new judge, who's only been one since May

12. Despite Charlie Kirk having shared privately that he thought he was going to be killed, the only person in his surrounding to come forward with it has been Candace.

13. People that look at her show and at tpusa seem to consistently start to side with her. Since september her podcast soared from top 15 to top 1 and charlie kirk show dropped from top 5 to top 95.

14. There was an egyptian military plane that stopped at the tiny utah airport. They need US clearance to do so and it's very rare for them to do so, as they typically go to big diplomatic or military hubs.

15. This same plane flew over the area where charlie kirk would be murdered on that same day and returned to the same airport without landing anywhere else. Why would a plane fly and land in the same place? Typically reconaissance I'd say.

16. When people started to look into the history of landings of this and the other egyptian plane they discovered they were in the same time and place as charlie kirk 23 times. But then it was discovered there are 68 overlaps with Erika kirk's location (since 2022).

17. If she was unaware, you'd expect gratitude, curiosity, maybe fear from Erika. But her organisation has instead chosen to blame candace for causing them harassment. 5 december is the first time someone from tpusa claimed these actions are her decisions.

It's also worth pointing out that his organisation denied that charlie kirk was wavering in his support for israel (but it was proven), claimed that candace wasn't his friend (but it was proven) and then claimed they had split less than amicably 7 years ago (but she was main guest at tpusa event in 2024, and in his last week he said he wanted to bring her on his show, while in the texts other(s) tried to talk him out of it.

There comes a point where as much as you want it to be a tranny shooter, the evidence doesn't support him as a lone wolf, but rather as a patsy.

Remember also that Joe Kent head of counterterrorism wanted to look into the case for possible foreign involvement and was blocked by kash "there is nothing in the epstein files" patel.

I can go on for a while. You can wave away a couple of these as coincidences. I would love nothing more than a cassus belli against the crazy trannies and antifa, and cancel them in the way they've been cancelling others. To unite the right against it. I may be Dutch, but your politics has more of an effect on the netherlands than dutch votes do (we're cucks to brussels unfortunately).

The crime scene was paved over in 3 days. Tell me that all of this fits with tyler robinson acting alone.
That's really cool man can you hold still for a second? Just a little poke, won't hurt a bit!
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You forgot that Tyler didn't actually shoot Charlie, he just got on the roof with a gun and hung out for a bit while a man with a miniaturized palm gun shot him. No wait, his lapel mike had a bullet and striker hidden inside of it. No wait, it was a blood pack and Charlie is still alive. All of this will make sense once Candace's lawyers finish reviewing her dream about bees to make sure it doesn't contain any classified information so she can talk about it.

I guess you can't contend with the facts I've posted that you make a post like this.

I can substantiate each of them if you're in doubt about any.
 
I guess you can't contend with the facts I've posted that you make a post like this.

I can substantiate each of them if you're in doubt about any.
I'm sure it's very frustrating that nobody wants to engage with your incoherent nonsense, but nothing you have said rises to the level of needing contention. To argue the point that some guy said Kirk was dead after seeing him get shot and get dragged away limp covered in blood would require me to pretend it's relevant or unusual. If you want to know why Erika Kirk might be displeased with the suggestion that her husband was a gay philanderer in a sham marriage who she had assassinated for israel, first try to imagine how you would feel if you skipped breakfast this morning. Etc.
 
If you want to know why Erika Kirk might be displeased with the suggestion that her husband was a gay philanderer in a sham marriage who she had assassinated for israel, first try to imagine how you would feel if you skipped breakfast this morning. Etc.
If you can't make your point without making shit up, that's your problem.

I can't throw out a zinger because the subject isn't funny to me, but the fact that you have to keep making shit up (who ever said erika planned to kill Charlie? only heard that from minor x accounts).

Who said he was gay? Only heard that as speculating gossip from milo.

You're obviously well informed about the topic if you know that, so I'm sure you've looked at the information about egyptian government and private plane too.

Why is that business as usual for you, rather than a red flag?
 
You're obviously well informed about the topic if you know that, so I'm sure you've looked at the information about egyptian government and private plane too.

Why is that business as usual for you, rather than a red flag?
nothing you have said rises to the level of needing contention.
I'm not going to be dragged into arguing every one of your points because you say this next one is the real smoking gun. I hope Bridget Macron rapes you to death with a maroon condom on his tranny cock.
 
Here is a new test that tries to recreate the official narrative, firing a 30.06 from the same distance (but not angle).

Since most criticism on X about previius tests was that it might have been soft tipped 30.06, that is what he used.


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In that second image you can see the vertebrae completely broken and exiting the body rather than redirecting the bullet down or another direction. It's pretty much a decapitation.

Comparably he says a human spine is better connected than a ballistics one compared to previous tests for other purposes.

Previous tests shows that the "bones" in this ballistics gel is close to identical in stopping bullets, with the way it stops certain calibers similar to human bone tests. And that the ballistic gel is a little better at stopping bullets than human skin.

I guess it requires to be a man of steel for the miracle to have this vertebrae redirect a bullet.

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Since people posted paramount technical video earlier, I'll also add this as a devil's advocate, his pinned tweet and responses.



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He never did respond to that last one.

My own assessment is that Paramount sounds very reasonable in his youtube videos, and this twitter thread, but looks like an fed or shill in his general twitter engagement.

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Oh, he works full time for a federal agency according to his website
 
Here is a new test that tries to recreate the official narrative, firing a 30.06 from the same distance (but not angle).

Since most criticism on X about previius tests was that it might have been soft tipped 30.06, that is what he used.


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In that second image you can see the vertebrae completely broken and exiting the body rather than redirecting the bullet down or another direction. It's pretty much a decapitation.

Comparably he says a human spine is better connected than a ballistics one compared to previous tests for other purposes.

Previous tests shows that the "bones" in this ballistics gel is close to identical in stopping bullets, with the way it stops certain calibers similar to human bone tests. And that the ballistic gel is a little better at stopping bullets than human skin.

I guess it requires to be a man of steel for the miracle to have this vertebrae redirect a bullet.


Listen, you're like Candace Owens and average QTard, unable to think through a chain of reasoning logically and arriving at the most sound conclusion.

Charlie Kirk was hit by a bullet. I doubt anyone disputes this. We know it was a 30-06 because that was the type of round that the rifle recovered fires. If this was some sort of government plot secret assassin, why would there be a discrepancy between the shot fired and the gun recovered? All of the puzzle pieces would fit together nicely, at least on that basic level. The more sensible answer is that Tyler Robinson is the shooter and Charlie Kirk was mortally wounded by a 30-06 round.

These demonstrations are fucking stupid just on a technical level because from what I've seen they never use the WWI era rifle that Tyler owned. The barrel length and type of rifle as well as the type of 30-06 round has a lot to do with the velocity of the round when fired and the damage it does.
 
We know it was a 30-06 because that was the type of round that the rifle recovered fires
Correction. We know that police recovered a rifle that they think is the murder weapon and that fires 30-06.

If this was some sort of government plot secret assassin, why would there be a discrepancy between the shot fired and the gun recovered?
I appreciate contesting the ballistics tests. I have only a little gun experience and basicly no knowledge about various ballistics.

As an argument this doesn't make sense to me. Because if it was true that secret plots, government or otherwise, never leave loose ends or make mistakes, then it would never make sense to investigate anything ever. It would mean the truth is always served up on a silver platter. Which obviously is not the case.

These demonstrations are fucking stupid just on a technical level because from what I've seen they never use the WWI era rifle that Tyler owned.
That's something worth looking into. Thanks.
 
As an argument this doesn't make sense to me. Because if it was true that secret plots, government or otherwise, never leave loose ends or make mistakes, then it would never make sense to investigate anything ever. It would mean the truth is always served up on a silver platter. Which obviously is not the case.

Stop playing dumb just to keep your fantasy story going.

The murder weapon not matching the bullet that struck Kirk isn't some sort of small loose end, it's a central hole in the entire story and it's a mistake that they would have absolutely no reason to make.
 
Stop playing dumb just to keep your fantasy story going.

The murder weapon not matching the bullet that struck Kirk isn't some sort of small loose end, it's a central hole in the entire story and it's a mistake that they would have absolutely no reason to make.

I know it's completely unreasonable of me to think that the largest political assassination in the US of the last decade could possibly be anything besides a lone gunman who fits exactly with the profile of the political opponents of the base. So humor my delusions for one more question.


Look at it from the opposite side. If there were a conspiracy, of say the following: the fbi, kirk's security, the defense (they were state assigned and other lawyers that tried to offer defense could not reach tyler).

How would the ammunition not matching even matter? It's closed case, every lawyer involved is under gag order. If his defense wouldn't challenge this fact... what would it matter?

I think sloppy mistakes happen all the time, particularly if it they don't matter. I don't think it even matter if it fits or not. It'd be like Trump saying the Epstein files are a democrat hoax. Nobody believes that. But what would it matter?
 
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Tyler Robinson, a lefty tranny lover, killed Charlie Kirk.

It wasnt Israel, Quatar or Egypt.

Again.

Tyler Roninson, spurred by his mentally deranged Tranny, Lance Twigs, killed Charlie Kirk.

This could have been used to raid discord servers and end tranny groups.

Instead leftists are spamming twitter and facebook and have derailed the story.

Tyler Robinson killed Charlie Kirk.

Edit: Lemming, take your meds
 
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I am not getting why Egypt would help Israel to unalive Charlie Kirk. I thought they were enemies? And what about the beekeepers? How do they tie in?
From what I gather, it's casting some kind of aspersion on Erica Kirk. Part of the conspiracy tries to say Erica was trafficking children in Europe and the Middle East, and some Egyptian plane followed the Kirks for a while, including the day Charlie was shot.

I have yet to see anything connecting Egypt with anything other than "Isn't it funny that an Egyptian plane followed the Kirks around?"
 
I am not getting why Egypt would help Israel to unalive Charlie Kirk. I thought they were enemies?
Neither do I why that would be the case. This you can verify through public sites:

1. That the 2 planes are egyptian (1 government, 1 private gulfstream)

2. That they were at provo Utah

3. That one flew over the area and then without going anywhere else went back and landed in the same place.

This video is a good quick breakdown if you don't want long streams of people combing through minutiae:





From what I gather, it's casting some kind of aspersion on Erica Kirk. Part of the conspiracy tries to say Erica was trafficking children in Europe and the Middle East, and some Egyptian plane followed the Kirks for a while, including the day Charlie was shot.

Where are you getting that trafficking children idea or casting aspersions on Erika Kirk from?

Here's the order of development:

First the planes were notable for being present and flying overhead, one turning the transponder off for a while.

Then later it was discovered one seemed to be at same events as Charlie Kirk. Then later it was discovered it wasn't following him, but Erika Kirk.

There weren't many aspersions initially in the first place, because nobody knew what it meant or her role. I think the fact that she didn't publicly acknowledge or thank for the revelation is what got some people to go to that conclusion. It's worth pointing out that Candace hasn't, for example.

The announcement that TPUSA is going to address Candace's claims is the first time a TPUSA person, Blake Neff has made statements about related topics in the name of Erika Kirk.
 
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Where are you getting that trafficking children idea or casting aspersions on Erika Kirk from?

Here's the order of development:

First the planes were notable for being present and flying overhead, one turning the transponder off for a while.

Then later it was discovered one seemed to be at same events as Charlie Kirk. Then later it was discovered it wasn't following him, but Erika Kirk.

There weren't many aspersions initially in the first place, because nobody knew what it meant or her role. I think the fact that she didn't publicly acknowledge or thank for the revelation is what got some people to go to that conclusion. It's worth pointing out that Candace hasn't, for example.

The announcement that TPUSA is going to address Candace's claims is the first time a TPUSA person, Blake Neff has made statements about related topics in the name of Erika Kirk.
It's been posted in the thread previously:
Some folks on reddit seem to think Erika Frantzve Kirk was involved in trafficking children from Romania to Israel through charities called "Everyday Heroes" and "Romanian Angels."
Any truth to that, I'm too tired to try looking into it myself.
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If he even did the shooting. All I've gathered from this is that Tyler is a massive fag and discord degen. Do any of you really believe this kid would ruin his life and assassanite someone if he didn't think he was being given an out by the feds? I guess will have to wait and see, but the day he gets found guilty, it will be business as usual on the Charlie Kirk-less show. His dumb bitch wife is gonna follow the marching orders because she participated in a US military/Israeli child sex trafficking scheme. Wearing the Kirk name out till it's buried in the cultural conciousness.
 
From what I gather, it's casting some kind of aspersion on Erica Kirk. Part of the conspiracy tries to say Erica was trafficking children in Europe and the Middle East, and some Egyptian plane followed the Kirks for a while, including the day Charlie was shot.

I have yet to see anything connecting Egypt with anything other than "Isn't it funny that an Egyptian plane followed the Kirks around?"
Yeah but isn't Provo one of the main refuelling hubs for international flights?
 
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