US US Politics General 2: Hope Edition - Discussion of President Trump and other politicians

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Should be a wild four years.

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[Puff]

a lot of white people basically apartheid themselves off from the rest of us, they're just wrong for having a problem with it.

"from the rest of us"
"The rest of us"
"Us"
Show hands, negroid.

 

[JayseeDenton]

"from the rest of us"
"The rest of us"
"Us"
Show hands, negroid.

You're kidding but my use of us is intentional there. I am not one of the white people with the financial means to join one of these segregated communities. I do literally go park at said grocery stores and take long walks through the upper class neighborhoods to recapture the feeling i felt when i was a kid. I wish i was kidding.

 

[Clyde Cash's Left Teste]

So will the end of the Ukraine war be the big thing that happens over Thanksgiving week like the Syria thing?

 

[babyDunk]

"from the rest of us"
"The rest of us"
"Us"
Show hands, negroid.

Black is beautiful chuddy, catch up its 2025

Also, he is probably referring to some huwhite people that are cut off from the general population.So yes, Us

So will the end of the Ukraine war be the big thing that happens over Thanksgiving week like the Syria thing?

The war will not be ending i fear.Ukraine is just humoring the orange man, and the ziggers will inevitably make demands that would be too much.And the cycle will continue

 

[Blewberry Nausea]

So will the end of the Ukraine war be the big thing that happens over Thanksgiving week like the Syria thing?

The hate boner for Putin is too strong for the Ukraine war to end so quickly barring say a total military collapse or disastrous obliteration of the leadership. Which I am all for but it is very unlikely. Globohomo wants to fight to the last hohol so bad.

 

[Amerikaner Teddybär]

So will the end of the Ukraine war be the big thing that happens over Thanksgiving week like the Syria thing?

Maybe, Zelensky seems open to signing off on the deal although the Eurocrats will want the war to continue so unless a massive break in morale al a 1918 Germany happens the war will go on.

 

[clickbait]

The former.

Big cities only hold like 20% of all whites and like 30% of blacks. Not even worth a sacrifice. If you find the thing that you did done saw i'd appreciate a link.

Like to me at this point if you plan on going nuclear you're not sending a message first. You're disarming. You will win the war that is your battle before you actually horribly lose the war immediately after. You will get obliterated moments after either way.

 

[YarrBlueballs]

FDR, Woodrow Wilson, Martin Van Buren, and Andrew Jackson would like to have a word with you.

I should have emphasized in the modern age. The means and methods of coordinating power has changed rather dramatically and yet little at all in the few centuries we've been a Republic. Congress and the Judiciary have both limited and expanded Presidential flexibility, but there have been times where it's collected together behind a singular person enough to actually do something that is mildly unpopular.

Though in general, a lot of leaders can get along with blatant shit if it's popular enough, especially if there's some sort of thing to present against it. The Great Depression and World War 2, the Natives, ect. However, it's doing something that isn't extensively popular, and has no existential threat to propel it, and still being able to achieve it that makes you an effective leader. Obama was able to push a lot of shit that wasn't, at the time, popular enough to be given carte blanche through, and now Trump is doing the same. You might argue that China/India/Mexico/ect are existential threats, but the supermajority of people, while caring about immigration and even fair trade on occasion, don't see is as much of a threat as savages, starvation, or surprise attacks back in the day.

 

[Sammich]

I noticed someone was talking about doge shutting down and someone else said it was rolled into opm, and i just remembered they have a website. i checked that and it seems they posted something just this morning.

 

[Martian High Command]

I know it's late, but congrats on 10k posts USPG2

Todd Howard for president 2028

 

[FILTH Tourist]

Kill: L
Bang: R
Marry: M

Seems short sighted. The real play would be to Kill M and Marry L so you inherent his fortune when he dies of natural causes in the next few years.

 

[JayseeDenton]

At least the barbarians had to put up a fight to take Rome.

Interestingly enough what happened in rome is very similar to what is unfolding now.

One thing to remember is that the barbarians who conquered rome did not look like this

They looked like this


Rome was conquered by romans. Genetically, some of the "barbarians" who conquered rome in the 500s were genetically closer to ceasar and his men than many of the people living in rome and even serving in the senate in the year 500 were. And they were culturally nearly identical.

The "barbarians" who conquered rome were basically just romans who lived in formerly barbarian lands. All of europe had been part of rome for so long that everyone was roman, they spoke the language, used the money, the systems, wore the uniforms, and many were the descendants of the romans who had conquered the barbarians 500 years prior (under ceasar) and moved into the lands to raise families.

Meanwhile, the city of rome and by extension the senate, had been attracting people from egypt, turkey, africa, and asia and so on due to how much power and commerce was there (sound familiar?). Septimius severus was a roman emperor who was from Libya, and Philip the Arab was a Syrian. The senate was filled with similar stoires.

By the fall of rome, the city of rome was being barbarianized while the barbarians who conquered it had been Romanized.

This is a massive oversimplification but to put it in greentext form:
>60 b.c. Roman legions under ceasar conquer mainland europe and the barbarians
>Said Romans move into newly conquered lands, start families, breed with natives, build roman cities, aqueducts, and so on.
>After 5 centuries of this, germany, france, spain, and south Britain were just as much "rome" as italy was. Whether they were natives who quickly adapted to roman ways or literally descendants of roman settlers, they were civilized romans.
>During that same time, the city of rome, as a financial center had been soft invaded by immigrants from egypt, turkey, etc. who also worked their way into the senate.
>Because they all had different goals and aims, they stopped serving the needs of rome as a whole
>Eventually the romans in europe got tired of this and kicked their shit in. Even entire cities in Italy immediately sided with the invaders because of how fed up they were with the official seat of power.

This is of course a massive oversimplification but the "fall of rome" was more "romans conquering the roman capital and eventually breaking off because it was no longer the rome they were taught to serve".

A US version of the fall of rome would be something like Oklahoma (former indian land) rednecks (people who's ancestors served in the US army and capital for generations) invading DC after DC was 60% run by foreigners who treated them like shit.

Not entirely unthinkable.

 

[AstaSilva]

Birth control. Before it became ubiquitous, it was far better to only sleep with a person you were interested in having a long-term relationship with (and having children with). Of course people were still sluts then, but far fewer, and there were real consequences (socially and economically) for it.

Making casual sex low-risk and socially acceptable contributed significantly to the destruction of the traditional family unit. It weakened the social fabric substantially. Why bother committing to a relationship when you can just fuck around all you want with no risk? No babies, no familial bonds. It only took a couple generations to completely dismantle the traditional family unit.

And marrying a former slut means if you have a daughter, you're fucked. High chance of raising your own grandchild into your 40s-50s.
Same with marrying a girl who used to have a drinking problem, your daughter is a lamb to the slaughter.

 

[World Famous Quasi Payer]

This is the narrative I heard. Mandami's strongest appeal was to all of the Good Little Girls who Did Everything Right and then found themselves out in cold when the time came to cash in on all their obedience to the system. They got good grades, said all of the correct things, and followed all the credentialist bullshit, but when the time came, there was no work for them. They couldn't afford to live, much less pay off their tuition debts. So they said lets smash the system full communism now. And I get it.

This narrative would hold water if these women weren't already dyed in the wool progressives. They've held these views since college or earlier for some. The lack of work, affordability, and their own debt is the "fault" of capitalism. They believed the system was shit from the start. They voted Kamala, even though reason would dictate that the pro-third worlder candidate is bad for their futures. They want the system destroyed because of "patriarchy and capitalism." Not because they feel betrayed.

So the question for anyone who wants to do something is "what's the play" with a trillion dollar media complex, militarized security state, and sixty years of cultural inertia working against you.

Keep your head above water, and run out the clock.

What do you guys think is more responsible for our nations cultural decline? Birth control or unfettered access to the Internet?

In a vacuum? The internet hands down. In the real world, birth control and the pill specifically. The pill allowed women to control their reproduction, something no society has ever had to figure out a workaround for. Prior to that, the reality of sex was clear. Be healthy, be young, and have sex? Children. After the pill that completely changed. Now you can have as much as sex as you want with very little chance of children. If the Bible thumpers had been smart (most of them can't reason out of a paper bag), they would have done away with mandatory child obligation, and support. Or the idea that a man must be involved in a child's life he didn't consent to create. Now we have a society where women routinely baby trap men, or have children to scam welfare. And the Bible thumpers still believe the "solution" is to throw men who can't or refuse to pay in jail.

nobody voted for all our problems in the first place, they were all imposed from above.

Bullshit. Boomers are still voting to fuck themselves over because they think magic dirt will turn brown third worlders into productive tax payers. Can't convince those shitheads their ponzi schemes aren't going to last.

 

[pwnest injun]

This narrative would hold water if these women weren't already dyed in the wool progressives. They've held these views since college or earlier for some. The lack of work, affordability, and their own debt is the "fault" of capitalism. They believed the system was shit from the start. They voted Kamala, even though reason would dictate that the pro-third worlder candidate is bad for their futures. They want the system destroyed because of "patriarchy and capitalism." Not because they feel betrayed

Well, they weren't voting for Cuomo, that's for sure.

 

[Mister Fister]

By the fall of rome, the city of rome was being barbarianized while the barbarians who conquered it had been Romanized.

This is a massive oversimplification but to put it in greentext form:
>60 b.c. Roman legions under ceasar conquer mainland europe and the barbarians
>Said Romans move into newly conquered lands, start families, breed with natives, build roman cities, aqueducts, and so on.
>After 5 centuries of this, germany, france, spain, and south Britain were just as much "rome" as italy was. Whether they were natives who quickly adapted to roman ways or literally descendants of roman settlers, they were civilized romans.
>During that same time, the city of rome, as a financial center had been soft invaded by immigrants from egypt, turkey, etc. who also worked their way into the senate.
>Because they all had different goals and aims, they stopped serving the needs of rome as a whole
>Eventually the romans in europe got tired of this and kicked their shit in. Even entire cities in Italy immediately sided with the invaders because of how fed up they were with the official seat of power.

This is of course a massive oversimplification but the "fall of rome" was more "romans conquering the roman capital and eventually breaking off because it was no longer the rome they were taught to serve".

A US version of the fall of rome would be something like Oklahoma (former indian land) rednecks (people who's ancestors served in the US army and capital for generations) invading DC after DC was 60% run by foreigners who treated them like shit.

I've said the neo-barbarians are the angry young White men of America. History rimes.

 

[Dog-O-Tron 5000v5.0]

what if instead of fleeing to the countryside as our cities are taken over by foreigners, we just stop letting the foreigners have the cities our forefathers built? At least the barbarians had to put up a fight to take Rome.

Not really. If you think about it, sure Rone was sacked by barbarians forcefully in 410 and 455, but 476 was basically an internal coup--the barbarian head of the military deposed the emperor, put his half Roman child on the throne, who was then deposed by another barbarian who led Roman foederati forces stationed in the West. He then declared himself King and sent the imperial regalia back to the East and paid lip service to being subject to Constantinople. And he was then deposed by another barbarian who was technically deputized as an Eastern Roman General sent to retake the West, and also declared himself King.

Germans had infiltrated the ranks of the Roman military for years. First they were auxiliaries, then foederati troops, then many Roman generals and Magister Militiums in the waning decades of the West were German. Even the great ones like Stilicho. Some, like Theodoric, the last guy above, spent their youth hanging around the Roman court and learning Roman ways which made it easier for them to fight the Romans, as well as instilling in them a desire to get in the imperial borders and have what the Romans had--safety, prosperity.

The Romans allowed these Germans to move in because they desperately needed them to do the work Romans wouldn't do (in this case, fighting). They didn't assimilate and remained as cohesive tribal units with their own enclaves, language and laws. They wanted inside the safety of Roman borders to get away from the Huns, but ended up destroying the nation they wanted to be a part of from the inside.

Sound familiar?

 

[Martian High Command]

immigrants from egypt, turkey

Turkey didn't exist yet. You just got owned with facts and logic

For real though I'd recommend any Rome autists watch this video, it's really good. It's really interesting to see how America compares (bureaucrats increasingly using authority to steal rather than do anything constructive) and contrasts (the wealthy in Rome felt obligated to build shit for the public, we sure don't have that here).

 

[Sensitive Young Man]

Lynchpin of the MAGA coalition btw

 

[Romulus augustulus]

Turkey didn't exist yet. You just got owned with facts and logic

https://youtube.com/watch?v=wr7IeupZYII
For real though I'd recommend any Rome autists watch this video, it's really good. It's really interesting to see how America compares (bureaucrats increasingly using authority to steal rather than do anything constructive) and contrasts (the wealthy in Rome felt obligated to build shit for the public, we sure don't have that here).

well, our elites used to build great things. the robber barons and others during the gilded age built a shit ton of magnificent buildings and libraries. I personally would add the US railroad network to that too. it's the best in the world in terms of area serviced.