Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Overly Serious]

Don't diss green energy, nothing wrong with it. It's actually rather cheap and a great supplement to other energy sources (because the Chinese race put its back into it).
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Can't really discuss "green energy" in such simple terms. For example, solar sometimes has its place. Wind is almost universally inferior to other forms. You also have to take into account environmental impacts which don't show up on your chart. For example, wind turbines are very destructive to the environment. Mining the materials is downright toxic. Onshore kill large birds and offshore is absolutely terrible for marine life because aside from any ongoing impact during their lifespan (still full of unknowns) the construction of them and the impact driving of deep supports into the seabed wrecks the local seabed environment and deafens marine mammals like seals, whales, dolphins, etc. If a whale can hear another whale across miles of ocean, you can be sure that a multi-ton steel support being hammered into bedrock travels pretty well too. You end up with whales in shock, unable to communicate with each other ever again. The seabed and all its life that is the foundation for a lot of the local ecosystem is churned up and wrecked. For all that an eagle being sliced in half by a wind turbine is the more iconic image of the things, windfarms at sea are actually even more injurious to wildlife.

Solar can be pretty polluting as well and also depends on other sources because the most it can ever do (barring inefficient storage solutions) is supplement others.

I also notice that the only fossil fuel on your chart is coal. Something that much production was deliberately ramped down on years back. Where is natural gas on your chart? Where is oil? And the costs of nuclear on your chart are substantially raised by regulatory and insurance costs above what they otherwise would be. Despite wind power being responsible for more deaths than the nuclear industry and frankly, more environmentally destructive. We can deal with nuclear waste. I'm not sure we've ever really figured out what to do with those giant non-decomposing turbine blades or all the toxic metals that are so massively expensive to process/recycle that the wind turbines rely on.

EDIT: Fuck, I thought this was in my tab about the dude running a "data centre" in his shed in Bongland. Why are we discussing this in the Russian military thread?

 

[TexWiller]

they've slowly been phasing out coal for the last 15 or so years,

lol not really
with the chinese you must use the same method i use with my wife: dont listen to what she says, but look at what she does.

https://insights.taylorduma.com/post/102iw50/china-is-building-coal-fired-power-plants-at-an-alarming-rate

add to that 30 or so nuclear power plants

https://pris.iaea.org/PRIS/WorldStatistics/UnderConstructionReactorsByCountry.aspx

photovoltaic is not cheap, is useless. a power source that you cant control is usually called dumpster fire.

 

[LordOfZhbagva]

Can't really discuss "green energy" in such simple terms. For example, solar sometimes has its place. Wind is almost universally inferior to other forms. You also have to take into account environmental impacts which don't show up on your chart. For example, wind turbines are very destructive to the environment. Mining the materials is downright toxic. Onshore kill large birds and offshore is absolutely terrible for marine life because aside from any ongoing impact during their lifespan (still full of unknowns) the construction of them and the impact driving of deep supports into the seabed wrecks the local seabed environment and deafens marine mammals like seals, whales, dolphins, etc. If a whale can hear another whale across miles of ocean, you can be sure that a multi-ton steel support being hammered into bedrock travels pretty well too. You end up with whales in shock, unable to communicate with each other ever again. The seabed and all its life that is the foundation for a lot of the local ecosystem is churned up and wrecked. For all that an eagle being sliced in half by a wind turbine is the more iconic image of the things, windfarms at sea are actually even more injurious to wildlife.

I agree with everything you say - they have plenty of downsides, including everything you listed + the fact that they're taking energy out of nature and disrupting its cycle, but they're obviously useful and the fact that the PRC is so massively investing into them is probably the strongest proof of their value. A source of energy which can't be disrupted by foreign economic sanctions and their relatively cheap costs make them very attractive.

I also notice that the only fossil fuel on your chart is coal. Something that much production was deliberately ramped down on years back. Where is natural gas on your chart? Where is oil? And the costs of nuclear on your chart are substantially raised by regulatory and insurance costs above what they otherwise would be.

The chart doesn't have it, for some reason. But gas is a famously expensive source of energy, which is why it's used to supplement temporary energy demand during the daily cycle, rather than being the permanently active fixture of the energy network. Oil is even more expensive. Coal is really the only mainstay of mass energy generation through combustion.
As for nuclear, possibly, idfk. Maybe.

 

[LordOfZhbagva]

with the chinese you must use the same method i use with my wife: dont listen to what she says, but look at what she does.

https://insights.taylorduma.com/pos...g-coal-fired-power-plants-at-an-alarming-rate

We'll see what happens, or if. So far, looks to me like the Chinese are doing good work.

add to that 30 or so nuclear power plants
https://pris.iaea.org/PRIS/WorldStatistics/UnderConstructionReactorsByCountry.aspx

I mean, good. I'm all for nuclear aswell. I just think that "renewable" energy has plenty of good uses.

 

[TexWiller]

But gas is a famously expensive source of energy, which is why it's used to supplement temporary energy demand during the daily cycle,

gas is usually very cheap. in fact, probably the cheapest form of energy, but only because of systematic regulatory sabotage against nuclear. else nuclear would be the cheapest. swiss nukes sell energy to the grid at 40 euro/MWh

you should look at how a grid works. intermittent sources that are mandated by law make the management of the grid complicated and expensive. and unstable, ask the spaniards.
you end up being heavily reliant on short notice dispatchable sources, that cost a ton. the guys running turbogas plants are literally printing money

storage is extremely expensive and inefficient, being pumped storage the best but you need the water and the dams.

and btw. without coal, the germoids would be in the dark

https://www.agora-energiewende.org/data-tools/agorameter/live/chart/power_generation/17.11.2025/20.11.2025/hourly

 

[Susanna]

Nuclear is expensive only because it requires an investment and a degree of consistency. Building a reactor is not the quickest task, but it is relatively cheap (it’s all the laws surrounding it, designed to kill nuclear, that add costs). But because building the plant is so slow, you need multiple consecutive governments to agree that the plant is a good thing, which in the chaotic west cannot happen, because it’s inevitable some environmentalist freak will get into government and if not outright cancel the nuclear plant, throw so many hurdles and additional fees and restrictions at it that operating it cannot be a profitable venture, and it gets cancelled.

You need to start by lining up the environmentalists against a wall, and shooting them. Create a political climate of extreme hostility against any measure that doesn’t benefit the proletariat, and you’ll quickly see hydro as the best source of power, followed not far behind by nuclear.

photovoltaic is not cheap, is useless. a power source that you cant control is usually called dumpster fire.

Power is the most expensive in winter, when we use it to heat everything. When do we also have the least sun and wind? Oh right, during the fucking winter.

Total environmentalist death. Shoot them, behead them, slowly grind them into pulp under a millstone, I don’t care, just get rid of them.

 

[01169]

Keith Kellogg is resigning from his post as US envoy to Ukraine. Apparently he deems the current politics to Russia friendly.

 

[HOMO FOR LIFE RETURNS]

Keith Kellogg is resigning from his post as US envoy to Ukraine. Apparently he deems the current politics to Russia friendly.

FINALLY. this fucking rat has been nothing but a retard and kept feeding trump retarded delusional prospects.

 

[White_N]

Speaking of everything green and reparations...

Ukraine plans to seek nearly $44bn from Russia for the damage linked to an increase in climate-warming emissions from the ongoing war, a government minister told Reuters. The move marks the first time a country is claiming damages for such an increase in emissions, including from the fossil fuels, cement and steel used in fighting the war, and from the destruction of trees through resultant fires. “A lot of damage was caused to water, to land, to forests,” said Pavlo Kartashov, the country’s deputy minister for economy, environment, and agriculture. “We have huge amounts of additional CO2 emissions and greenhouse gases,” Kartashov said in an interview on the sidelines of the Cop30 climate summit in Brazil.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...from-russia-for-climate-warming-war-emissions

In other news: Yet another exchange of bodies of dead soldiers took place.

Ukraine received 1,000 bodies and handed over 30.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025...oldiers-in-latest-exchange-with-russia-a91190

 

[Homo neanderthalensis]

Big Don is going for a Christmas truce isn't he? A Christmas miracle. Neuter the Zelensky clan with corruption charges, hit them with the quick peace plane, while ignoring the retarded Euro puppet clowns. And boom there is peace. The swedish cucks better give hime the nobel price or there will be some nasty tarrifs.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

EU pulls a Boris Johnson and implies that they will kill Zelensky if he agrees to Trump's peace deal. I mean, it's not a real threat because Kallas does not have enough brain power to make a hidden threat, but that's how it sounds

https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...any-plan-end-war-eu-ministers-say-2025-11-20/ (https://archive.md/ennCO)

 

[TexWiller]

Total environmentalist death. Shoot them, behead them, slowly grind them into pulp under a millstone, I don’t care, just get rid of them.

nah
just drop them on an island in the middle of the pacific and see how they manage living off renewables.

 

[Necrosan]

EU pulls a Boris Johnson and implies that they will kill Zelensky if he agrees to Trump's peace deal. I mean, it's not a real threat because Kallas does not have enough brain power to make a hidden threat, but that's how it sounds
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https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...any-plan-end-war-eu-ministers-say-2025-11-20/ (https://archive.md/ennCO)

Literal "isn't there someone you forgot to ask?"

The EU will sit in the cuck chair and watch the killing stop.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

EU pulls a Boris Johnson and implies that they will kill Zelensky if he agrees to Trump's peace deal. I mean, it's not a real threat because Kallas does not have enough brain power to make a hidden threat, but that's how it sounds
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https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...any-plan-end-war-eu-ministers-say-2025-11-20/ (https://archive.md/ennCO)

I might have a stroke if it's the EU who suddenly has to yell "Zelensky isn't a legitimate President though!" I'm only half-way joking, I think we're going to see some version of it. The NAFO crowd won't know what to say after years of defending the suspension of elections.

 

[Slicc Vicc]

Close shave for this guy. Minus 2 swines.

0:47

 

[warhammerautist]

Whats the land grab rate since everyone is claiming a collapse again?

 

[Sister Miriam Godwinson]

Whats the land grab rate since everyone is claiming a collapse again?

Russia is controlling something like 92% of Donetsk and demands it in full, but "We do not fully occupy war goal" malus of -1000 is preventing it from imposing its peace terms on Zelensky, as well as the fact it does not occupy the capitals of Ukraine's allies. in Europe Arbitrary Paradox strategy mechanics, amirite?

 

[Lookie-lou]

Whats the land grab rate since everyone is claiming a collapse again?

don't listen to those grifters, still plenty of boars in the pen waiting for departure in a trench without likely seeing a single russian fighter. The funny thing is as much as they demonise Russia, they still grossly underestimate the long term never again cynicism of the RuAFs strategy towards making sure Ukraine never ever ever becomes a security problem again.

 

[CasketBase]

Drawing Umerov as he is would be illegal in at least several countries
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How do you do, fellow (((Tatars)))
Is he supposed to be Crimean, or a decendant of some other Soviet/Imperial Tatar transplants?
Tatars were never really ethnically homogenous btw: the Mongols came to the region and made a big ole melting pot out of themselves and a bunch of local tribes, some of which were finnoid or even Slavic/Slav-adjacent. That, plus all the slave trade they used to do, plus them getting conquered and thoroughly bleached by Russians in the end means a lot of them can actually look white as fuck, while others you can safely cast in a historical movie about Mongol conquests.
Source: my Tatar bros I used to play Dota2 with. But this guy definitely looks Khazar if you know what I mean.
Anthropology is fascinating. I can put aside my chudly ways to appreciate that shit, provided most of the... more exotic subject matter stays the fuck out of my country, or at least behaves while in it.

not sure about that. military service is a normal thing in russia, and there are good chances these veterans will find use in other places.

Yeah, spending a year being a retard on a backwater military base is normal. Watching cities get razed and people get turned to mincemeat isn't. Yeah, there was Syria but those who fought there weren't that numerous. Same for Chechnya.
But, I'm staying positive. I'd love to have thousands of ethnic Russians with combat experience here in Moscow, will help tip certain scales in a direction I personally would prefer.

Big Don is going for a Christmas truce isn't he? A Christmas miracle. Neuter the Zelensky clan with corruption charges, hit them with the quick peace plane, while ignoring the retarded Euro puppet clowns. And boom there is peace. The swedish cucks better give hime the nobel price or there will be some nasty tarrifs.

But Orthodox Christmas is in January...

 

[Useful_Mistake]

Ukraine and Poland has now declared that Ukrainians are actually Russian

https://tsn.ua/en/ukrayina/foreign-ministry-responds-to-reports-linking-ukrainians-to-sabotage-in-poland-2959619.html

https://megalodon.jp/2025-1121-0029-03/https://tsn.ua:443/en/ukrayina/foreign-ministry-responds-to-reports-linking-ukrainians-to-sabotage-in-poland-2959619.html

In other news, the Mighty Spain signed a agreement with Ukraine to build up military supplies for Ukraine. The problem? Spain said that they reserve the right to not do it for any reason they want to.

https://tsn.ua/en/exclusive/ukraine-and-spain-sign-defense-memorandum-what-it-includes-2959580.html

https://megalodon.jp/2025-1121-0031-11/https://tsn.ua:443/en/exclusive/ukraine-and-spain-sign-defense-memorandum-what-it-includes-2959580.html

Masterful analysis by Deepstate concludes that Russia is attacking logistics to weaken Ukraine instead for no reason

https://tsn.ua/en/ato/russia-strikes-at-ukrainian-logistics-to-weaken-defense-of-major-key-city-deepstate-2960576.html

https://megalodon.jp/2025-1121-0033-28/https://tsn.ua:443/en/ato/russia-strikes-at-ukrainian-logistics-to-weaken-defense-of-major-key-city-deepstate-2960576.html