I think Destiny has far more sociopathic traits than narcissistic traits. A narcissist wouldn’t do one hundred confrontational debates in a row—it’s draining, and it would eventually damage their self-esteem. Narcissists try to protect their self-esteem through grandiosity, whereas a sociopath truly believes in their own grandiosity, so their self-esteem remains stable even in the face of criticism, unlike a narcissist’s.
Destiny can lie without a shred of remorse or shame. Being dishonest without guilt suggests that he is constantly thinking about how to manipulate people for pleasure and to protect himself afterward—such as filming compromising situations for leverage. He can’t change unless his rationality and logic make him realize that he is hurting people because he wont feel it otherwise. Sociopaths aren’t inherently malicious, per se. Destiny pushes his self-awareness because he fundamentally justifies his behavior by assuming other people are like him or share his tendencies, which explains why he feels no shame or remorse.
He also abandons many projects, likely because he stops seeing the fun in them. He has said that he was reading history books because it was becoming enjoyable for him—pleasure is always his justification for continuing or engaging in something. I think he is a functional sociopath because half of them end up droping hight school or in prison so he is able to not alway be outright confrontational.
I think we disagree, then. I don't believe he is a narcissist because if he felt shame and guilt, he would act out of insecurity. However, I don't think he acts out of insecurity but rather from pure self-interest and pleasure.
The fact that he showed his face on campus, even though he is recognized as a pedophile, demonstrates this. A narcissist wouldn't have the courage to do that. He acknowledged to Dr. K that he is completely resilient to insults and that he watches recordings of his own conversations to evaluate his performance. A narcissist would be extremely uncomfortable doing this, as it would confront their grandiose self-image.
As for my explanation about his foot fetish, his desire to keep it hidden is more about covering his self-interest. He logically understands that it is considered weird by most people, but he doesn't personally feel that it is. He used that exact same sentence structure I did when describing other things. I think it is useless to act as if our word have an effect on destiny feeling because they arent.
I'll reply to both of these at the same time because I think you're missing a lot.
Narcissists are not consciously protecting themselves. These are just natural defense mechanisms that manifest in different ways, and the behavior is usually a reflection of that. It is not the case that sociopaths truly believe in their own grandiosity and narcissists don't. They both do. That's why it's a DELUSION of grandeur. Narcissists have an image of themselves that is not in alignment with how other people see them. What bothers them is when it's obvious that other people don't see that image that they see, or someone holds a mirror up to them. But up to that point, they think no one sees it. When he and Brittany Simon had their falling out, he talked about how he could never be friends with someone who sees him so much differently than he sees himself. And he doesn't realize what he meant by that, but he's talking about someone who doesn't share his delusion of grandeur.
And it's also not the case that narcissists avoid anything that can hurt their ego.. If they did, you wouldn't see them in so many high profile positions of power. Destiny IS good at debating. He does win most debates. And you need to pay attention to how he responds when he doesn't do well. It doesn't occur to him that he would look bad until he does.
For example, when he debated Martin Shkrelli, he went hard on Martin about whether or not a drug could make you taller. Go watch how he responds before and after Martin demonstrated that Destiny was out of his depth. His demeanor completely changed. He started off condescending and hostile, and after that it was just a "conversation" instead of a debate.
It's also why he went so hard on conservatives after having to play nice with them for so long for transactional reasons. He was embarrassed by how he appeared in his conversations with Ben Shapiro, Jordan Peterson, etc. He knew he looked like the bitch in those situations, so he responded very maliciously to reclaim his image.
Destiny can say that he handles criticism well, but he doesn't. Why do you think he gets so upset with this thread even though we're all unhinged lunatics? He's not just upset about the doxing. He's upset that he gets made fun of and a guy who is impervious to criticism doesn't ban criticism from his communities or block people for the most minor of insults on his twitter. It's just that after this thin skinned little bitch gets made fun of, he crawls into his chat to get validation from the cult, or into the DMs of some girl who wants to fuck him.
There is a lot of overlap in the behavior of sociopaths and narcissists, but I can tell you exactly where the difference is between Destiny and a sociopath. He is not malicious from the start. The reason I would never call what he did to Pxie "revenge porn" is because he didn't send it to other people to harm her. He did it because he's self absorbed and doesn't consider the personhood, needs, or wants of other people. He was negligent. And then once Pxie stopped seeing him how she did before, he went through the process of splitting and he put her in the bad category. And then he became malicious/started acting like a sociopath. Because she went public with it.
Destiny doesn't think other people are like him. If he did, he wouldn't talk about how EXCEPTIONAL he is. He wouldn't talk like, "One thing I'm really really really really good at.."
Hence why he says he's uniquely capable of being poly. He knows other people don't have the attachment issues he does, but he thinks it's good that he has them and bad that others don't.
He is FREQUENTLY acting out of insecurity. Literally everything this man does screams insecurity. But he masks it or tries to. And people take his word for it. I'll give you an example. Some people in this thread thought that he doesn't care how he looks because he dresses like a slob and he's out of shape. But I would point you to the fact that he has gone through fashion arcs. You wanna know why he pretends like he doesn't care how he dresses? Cause he gets made fun of when he tries. He gets made fun of because he can't gain any muscle... But if he didn't care, why did he try to begin with? He's like a kid in high school who knows no one is going to draft him into the baseball team so he pretends like he doesn't care, but he absolutely does.
The other thing I will point out, is that Destiny's narcissism is closer to how female narcissists act rather than how male narcissists act. Probably because he's got no testosterone and probably has an excess of estrogen. (Hence his height.) Which is more of a covert narcissism.
People that have been here long enough who have been making fun of him long enough can definitely tell he cares what people think.
Overall, Destiny does do things that LOOK like sociopathy, but overall, everything is related to his ego. Even things like thinking he's going to make some big political difference. His attacks on people are usually a reaction to something, not just enjoying harming someone which is usually how sociopath will operate. Everything is about image with him. He talks about how things reflect on him and his community. Again, with Melina, his concern was not that Melina is someone he loved and cared about and that's why he defended her, it was that she is a reflection of him.
What was the thing he was most worried about with the Pxie leaks? Was it how it affected Pxie? Was it money? Was it that he did something wrong? No, it's the PR stuff that he wouldn't necessarily be able to spin how he wants it spun. That's image stuff.
His thing with sex probably is not just about pleasure. If it was, why does he say he doesn't like prostitutes? For him it's about 'earning' sex. Everything is about some form of winning with him. That's why he debates like he does. It's why he plays video games the way that he does. It's why he doesn't pay for nudes. Etc, etc. he does these things because he uses them to substantiate his oversized ego. Just think about how interesting it is that he has a fondness for sex workers, but not paying. It sounds like that puts a dollar amount on something that he gets for free. Puts an actual value on it for him, right?
But he's not doing it consciously. He's probably not really aware of why he's doing it because his perception of himself is wildly out of alignment with how so many other people see him. He just thinks everyone else is wrong.
@StrangerMe get in here and help me mind read Destiny for fun.
