Christian theology thread for Christians - Deus homo factus est naturam erante, mundus renovatus est a Christo regnante

Pray for me for I gave into lust not once, but two times today. I have struggled with it all my life but can never fully drive it out.

I find myself at a strange crossroads unable to rectify my own inadequacy. Based on The Sermon on the Mount in Matthew and from Paul's writing in Philemon we are not meant to judge or hate.
"Hate the sin not the sinner."
But I can not rectify this in my heart or mind. Am I truly meant to look at the man who kills me or the man who would rape my wife/children and forgive him? If I am not to seek justice or pass judgment then I am expected to forgive and forget?
What is the point of building anything in one's life or caring for anything if the next moment it can be taken and you are expected to do nothing about it?
It is logical to me that if a group hates me and wishes for me and my kind to be wiped from the Earth then I am to defend myself and speak out against them. But if I decry them I am going against what is lain out by Christ. If the rich create a system by which only they benefit and I am told "then go to the lawmakers and urge for change" but the lawmakers will not change for they are in league with the rich. If a group claims my Savior the Son of God to be false and that their prophet is the true way to salvation when he raped children and laid out rules to allow such am I to simply do nothing as they plan to kill me and all my fellow followers of Christ?

Is there truly a point in living a life where one strives to do right when in the end he may end up in the same glory as the man who sinned his entire life and only in his last moments repented? Am I ignorant as Jonah was to the Ninevites when God warned them and they repented?

Are we to only be doormats who question nothing and never learn from history?
I've been in the same dilemma before and the only answer I can give is I don't know. History has shown that taken arms to defend what is right is sadly sometimes necessary, but the big question is what would Jesus do? Even the Church itself has come to this crossroads with defending the Holy Land in the crusades as the Muslims were a big threat at the time that had to be dealt with.
 
I find myself at a strange crossroads unable to rectify my own inadequacy. Based on The Sermon on the Mount in Matthew and from Paul's writing in Philemon we are not meant to judge or hate.
"Hate the sin not the sinner."
But I can not rectify this in my heart or mind. Am I truly meant to look at the man who kills me or the man who would rape my wife/children and forgive him? If I am not to seek justice or pass judgment then I am expected to forgive and forget?
"Hate the sin not the sinner" is a Gandhi quote, I wouldn't be quoting a man who believed in millions of gods. Incidentally, Romans 13 is a thing - forgiving someone Biblically means you release whatever rage and sorrow are connected to what happened. However, at the same time, if I or a loved one is a victim of a violent crime, I'm going to call the police if I know who the perpetrator is; you are not at fault for wanting to see a violent criminal taken off the streets, however taking part in revenge killing is not good. You also aren't at fault if you defend your home from an armed robbery using lethal force - see Exodus 22:2, also see Luke 22:36-38.

Vengeance is God's; He will repay. I can think of a few personal examples in my own life and people I have come across who I've heard stories from about those who harmed them/me being judged by God in ways I couldn't imagine.
Are we to only be doormats who question nothing and never learn from history?
No; if you're talking about Islam with your example, there is no way any rational, thinking person who is Christian should allow Muslims to invade their country and enforce Sharia Law. The problem comes from when Christians in the 21st century are looking for a Lamb when they're going to get a Lion when Christ returns - because of pigeonholing verses thanks to the fluff behind the pulpit most of them hear Sunday morning, they cling on to "Christian Pacifism", which is far from Biblical. The mental gymnastics proponents of Christian Pacifism tell you is staggering; there are no mental gymnastics in God's word. Every possible moral situation man will face is in those pages, and good and evil are both objective.
 
Romans 13 in the NIV has me thinking I might be the wrong faith "6This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes;" KJV has it as tribute which has a better connotation and meaning.
 
Romans 13 in the NIV has me thinking I might be the wrong faith "6This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes;" KJV has it as tribute which has a better connotation and meaning.
Was thinking about how it talks about how institutions like police are forces God has ordained to keep order in society, given what you described above.
 
Am I truly meant to look at the man who kills me or the man who would rape my wife/children and forgive him?
"Now when they heard this, they became furious in their hearts, and they began gnashing their teeth at him. But being full of the Holy Spirit, [Stephen] gazed intently into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God; and he said, “Behold, I see the heavens opened up and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.”

But crying out with a loud voice, they covered their ears and rushed at him with one accord. And when they had driven him out of the city, they began stoning him; and the witnesses laid aside their garments at the feet of a young man named Saul.

They went on stoning Stephen as he was calling out and saying, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!” Then falling on his knees, he cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them!” And having said this, he fell asleep." — Acts 7:54-60
 
Romans 13 in the NIV has me thinking I might be the wrong faith "6This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes;" KJV has it as tribute which has a better connotation and meaning.
its the same thing. Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s, and render unto God that which is Gods. It’s Casesars face on the coins, it’s the symbols of America on the dollar. The things of this world back to the things of this world. If paying taxes and being a good citizen is a stumbling block for you, you’re completely lost.
I find myself at a strange crossroads unable to rectify my own inadequacy. Based on The Sermon on the Mount in Matthew and from Paul's writing in Philemon we are not meant to judge or hate.
"Hate the sin not the sinner."
But I can not rectify this in my heart or mind. Am I truly meant to look at the man who kills me or the man who would rape my wife/children and forgive him? If I am not to seek justice or pass judgment then I am expected to forgive and forget?
What is the point of building anything in one's life or caring for anything if the next moment it can be taken and you are expected to do nothing about it?
It is logical to me that if a group hates me and wishes for me and my kind to be wiped from the Earth then I am to defend myself and speak out against them. But if I decry them I am going against what is lain out by Christ. If the rich create a system by which only they benefit and I am told "then go to the lawmakers and urge for change" but the lawmakers will not change for they are in league with the rich. If a group claims my Savior the Son of God to be false and that their prophet is the true way to salvation when he raped children and laid out rules to allow such am I to simply do nothing as they plan to kill me and all my fellow followers of Christ?

Is there truly a point in living a life where one strives to do right when in the end he may end up in the same glory as the man who sinned his entire life and only in his last moments repented? Am I ignorant as Jonah was to the Ninevites when God warned them and they repented?

Are we to only be doormats who question nothing and never learn from history?
It’s not “don’t judge”, it’s “don’t judge unjustly”. Verbatim “Judge not lest ye be judged, for by whatever measure you mete shall be measured unto you.” It just means that however you judge a man is how you will be judged. Are you a child rapist? Then do not be overly worried if you pass judgment that he’s wicked and evil. Taking that lesson alone stands against everything in Proverbs, against the whole of the Old Testament.

Even further, Christ said, “do not worry about the mote in your brothers eye when you have a log in yours: Remove the log in your eye, then help remove the speck in your brothers.” That is not saying “just mind your own business and take it”, it’s saying “fix yourself before you fix the world”. Consider Lot; He was the witness for Sodom, yet he failed because they were totally wicked. He could not lead them back because he was not set right, he acquiesced to their insatiable demands. He offered them his daughters, and they wanted his guests, and so they turned on Lot and were going to take him. He gave to them what was Gods, not what was of man, and so they were punished and he suffered.

Philemon’s slave broke the law, but Paul interceded and asked him to treat his slave not as a slave, but as a brother, and to lay his crime on Paul, to treat Onesimus as Paul. This could only work because all three of them were Christians. If Philemon weren’t Christian, it’d be a bigger issue, but we would still ask for this, but the expectation would be lower.

There is more to say, but I’m losing my thoughts to tiredness, hopefully this at least starts some thoughts for you.
 
The Wisdom of Bl. Fulton Sheen

Day 216 - Contentment is not inconsistent with our endeavor to have our condition improved. We do everything we can, as if all depended on us, but we trust in God as if everything depended on him.
 
For example, Celsus (~170 AD), took aim at the very miracle you mentioned, writing, "Well, let us believe that these cures, or the resurrection, or the feeding of a multitude with a few loaves, from which many fragments remained over, or those other stories of a marvelous nature were actually wrought by you. These are nothing more than the tricks of jugglers, who profess to do more wonderful things". For him the solution wasn't, "oh there was no miracle". It was, "yes, there was indeed a miracle, but it occurred naturally through street magic, sleight of hand, it was (to borrow your words) a parlor trick".
It also speaks back to the old testament Exodus as well. When Moses went to Pharaoh and demanded the Israelites be freed in the name of their God, Pharaoh opined that Egypt had many God's, including himself. Why should he listen to this particular God he had never heard of before? When God turned Moses' staff into a serpent, Pharaoh's court magicians turned their staffs into Serpents too.

But then things escalated quickly from there and really got out of hand fast. People are very good at rationalizing the Supernatural. There is always an "explanation", and the fate of the Pharaoh in Exodus is instructive of this. It did not end well for him denying God even when his power was manifested.
 
It also speaks back to the old testament Exodus as well. When Moses went to Pharaoh and demanded the Israelites be freed in the name of their God, Pharaoh opined that Egypt had many God's, including himself. Why should he listen to this particular God he had never heard of before? When God turned Moses' staff into a serpent, Pharaoh's court magicians turned their staffs into Serpents too.

But then things escalated quickly from there and really got out of hand fast. People are very good at rationalizing the Supernatural. There is always an "explanation", and the fate of the Pharaoh in Exodus is instructive of this. It did not end well for him denying God even when his power was manifested.
I actually like how The Prince of Egypt did this story. While Moses' staff turned into a snake in front of the Pharaoh clearly, the court priests used literal smoke and mirror to "transform" their staffs into snakes before their snakes were devoured by Moses' staff.
 
There is always an "explanation", and the fate of the Pharaoh in Exodus is instructive of this. It did not end well for him denying God even when his power was manifested.
To be fair to the Pharaoh, God said he was going to be the one who, in part, hardened Pharaoh's heart (Exodus 7:3).


When God turned Moses' staff into a serpent, Pharaoh's court magicians turned their staffs into Serpents too.
I actually like how The Prince of Egypt did this story. While Moses' staff turned into a snake in front of the Pharaoh clearly, the court priests used literal smoke and mirror to "transform" their staffs into snakes before their snakes were devoured by Moses' staff.
It's hard to say really what happened there. We only get 2 sentences to go off of. It could have been a 'smoke and mirrors' trick but given the Bible uses the term 'with their enchantments', I'm inclined to believe they really preformed a supernatural feat, probably with the help of demons. Given how many ancient Religions required rather satanic things like human sacrifice, I'm inclined to believe many were in contact with real supernatural beings, just that these beings happened to be malevolent. God being all powerful could have stepped in and intervened however given he had only told Moses 8 verses prior that he was going to harden Pharaoh's heart he may have let it happen for just that purpose.
 
I actually like how The Prince of Egypt did this story. While Moses' staff turned into a snake in front of the Pharaoh clearly, the court priests used literal smoke and mirror to "transform" their staffs into snakes before their snakes were devoured by Moses' staff.
It makes Moses' act of turning his staff into a snake not just a display of power, but a demonstration of divine truth that overwhelms a clever illusion.

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The Wisdom of Bl. Fulton Sheen

Day 217 - It does no good to blame the golf club if our game is at fault, or the pitcher because we spill the milk; the fault must be seen as our own in little mishaps of this kind, and for our states of mind as well. The discovery that we are to blame for being the way we are is greater than the discovery made by an explorer-such a discovery of our own fault is impossible unless there be a higher standard outside ourselves, from whose love we know we have fallen.
 
As a Catholic, I find the modern “the Death penalty is inconsistent with human dignity” to be one of those grating things. I take the older view of justice in making victims whole again.

The purely rehabilitative view of justice effectively means you don’t confront the crime or the sin. There is this determinist bullshit that’s infected many people in that we have to have bias towards a man in deciding justice because of who he is or what his background is.

I dislike like the State having that power, but I don’t view it as inherently immoral. I don’t think the Church can theologically argue against it either. Francis’s stance was notably weaker than JPII or Benedict’s (although Benedict is someone who you can agree with even when disagreeing).

What is a Unitarian Universalist Church? I saw one, and wasn't sure what that meant. It has a rainbow LGBT flag if that helps pin down what kind of church they are
Church that moves with the world rather than a Church that moves the world.
 
What is a Unitarian Universalist Church? I saw one, and wasn't sure what that meant. It has a rainbow LGBT flag if that helps pin down what kind of church they are

The "believe in Jesus, not in the Bible" type Christianity. Jesus in this case being a caricature of Jesus as a hippy.

In the past they were more hardcore into emphasizing the radical equality part of Christianity through movements like abolition/feminism/civil rights and even economic equality through the Social Gospel.

Now they mainly fight for polyamory and Trans rights.
 
The "believe in Jesus, not in the Bible"
They also selectively believe in Jesus. They believe in the "Be good to others" stuff, but not the "Go and sin no more" type stuff. I've had people outright state the law does not matter anymore. Completely ignoring Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets; I have come not to abolish but to fulfill."
 
The "believe in Jesus, not in the Bible" type Christianity. Jesus in this case being a caricature of Jesus as a hippy.

In the past they were more hardcore into emphasizing the radical equality part of Christianity through movements like abolition/feminism/civil rights and even economic equality through the Social Gospel.

Now they mainly fight for polyamory and Trans rights.
If you fight for trans rights or homosexuals, you are probably not a Christian, as the Bible clearly prohibits any form of homosexuality in its verses. The Bible is clear on these matters.

Deuteronomy 22:5 ~ A woman must not wear men’s clothing, nor a man wear women’s clothing, for the Lord your God detests anyone who does this.

Genesis 5:2 ~ He created them male and female and blessed them. And he named them “Mankind” when they were created.

Leviticus 18:22 ~ You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.
 
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