Having friends along ideological lines

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Being more or less a Centrist with some Libertarian views, I have quite a few friends who are liberals and a few who are conservative. I keep both around so that I can do my best to stay up to date on current events while getting to hear varied points of views on the subjects at hand.

Interesting thing is, I find that those who unfriend over politics are not often people I'd say have enough emotional intelligence to be worth talking to. In other words, people who are actually confident in their view points have no problems engaging in discussion.

People who are confident enough to engage in discussing their beliefs are my kind of people- even if I disagree with them.
 
I've had friends from all across the political spectrum, and I've found that in general a friendship like that can teach you a lot more than just hanging out with people who share your beliefs. As long as they can make a sensible argument to support their ideas, I'm all for befriending people whom I disagree with. At least it gives you a chance to learn some debating skills.

One strategy I've used a lot when having to get along with people with drastically different views is finding the common enemy. I once was in the same team with an old-fashioned Mussolini's fascist, but we got along really well because neither of us liked anarchists.
 
Jon-Kacho dijo:
If you think conservatives represent fascism that actually goes to prove your point that liberals don't listen to the other side.
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I don't think conservatives in general at present represent fascism. But there are absolutely people at the fringes of the current conservative movement who support outright white nationalism and fascism. Liberals have forgotten how to argue against the actual ideas contained by these philosophies, and are instead content to simply shout about them.
 
I used to work at a local school, so I have known and have close friends who are EXTREMELY Leftist. As in, calling Antifa Messiah's and shit. But I also have very conservative friends as well (they took muh gunz!!!!) that I get along with. I consider myself kind of . . . . Wishy washy on politics, I guess? I just cut my friends off when they start to tard rage on their politics of choice and tell them "Stop it. That shit there. Stop." And they usually do stop. I have a couple people tho. Gawd. My cousin is very conservative and his wife is very liberal. During the time between Trump's election to his inauguration, he and she completely unfriended each other on all social media, and he moved in with his sister and her husband. Because politics. It was hilarious and sad at the same time.

I think if you set ground rules with friends and respect their rules, they will respect you and not try to "convert" you. If they dont, then why are you friends at all if they don't respect you? Meh.

Family, tho? I do enjoy winding up my grandmother with a few well timed "Hillary should have won"'s and then watch the nearly 90 year old sweet old lady get frothy with rage and cuss me out. Good times.... and laughing at her while she does it makes it better.
 
Abortions4All dijo:
I don't think conservatives in general at present represent fascism. But there are absolutely people at the fringes of the current conservative movement who support outright white nationalism and fascism. Liberals have forgotten how to argue against the actual ideas contained by these philosophies, and are instead content to simply shout about them.
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Because of the middle-ground fallacy, even lowering yourself to speak to them actually makes them appear as a credible alternative to many. We've seen it happen time and again, they're absolutely not interested in debate, they build their numbers with attention whoring.

And while its a stretch to equate conservatism with fascism, let's just say I don't need to worry about being hospitalised for going on strike when the liberals are in charge.
 
I'm a pro science pro choice abortion on demand feminist socialist who loves and collects firearms and believes in freedom of speech even for idiots, and I'm mixed race.

if I didn't make concessions I wouldn't get along with anyone. liberals think I'm a violent black bloc gun nut, conservatives think I'm a baby killer, and the more extreme think I'm a miscegenated bitch. doesn't help to be atheist and yet understand the need people have for a faith community.

there's just too many things I disagree with on every damn side.


to:dr, fiscally socialist, socially libertarian, have to just be friendly to every one I disagree with or they'd be nobody left.
 
DuskEngine dijo:
I just want all the cool and hip white supremacists to be friends with me but they keep calling me a fucking nigger. does anyone have any advice?
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double post but, just kick the shit out of them.
literally. they're chickenshit.
 
Unless I know from past experience that they are tolerant of diverse political beliefs, then I just avoid prodding them on political issues or if pressed, I mislead them with half-truths that will placate them. But if I know they are tolerant of dissenting opinions, I'll gladly have at it and nonstop argue with them until the early hours of the morning just for the hell of it, everyone knowing that we're not likely to change anybody's mind and just enjoying the friendly competition that comes with a battle of wits.

For sure things been more awkward since the election and having voted for Orange Hitler, but so far it is easy enough to defuse tensions by pointing out that he won the district where I'm registered with 59% of votes, so there was literally nothing I could do :stress:
 
I'm pretty left, one of my best friends is a (minor) Conservative politician and theres no problems. We talk politics but its never become an argument. Its because we accept that we both have a belief that people should have the ability to persue happiness, just disagree on the best way to accomplish it.

Actual racists though, people who believe one person can be superior to another just because of skin colour, nah fuck them guys.
 
I try to be as open-minded as possible, but unfortunately what @AnOminous said is the sad reality. You can't disagree with leftists, especially the younger ones. They'll scream and screech and keep throwing their mantra at you until you concede or simply choose to pretend to.

I've never had this problem with people on the right or the far-right, regardless of how old the people I was talking to were.
 
WhatNemesisMeans dijo:
I try to be as open-minded as possible, but unfortunately what @AnOminous said is the sad reality. You can't disagree with leftists, especially the younger ones. They'll scream and screech and keep throwing their mantra at you until you concede or simply choose to pretend to.

I've never had this problem with people on the right or the far-right, regardless of how old the people I was talking to were.
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actually the right/far right start using Bible verses to call you a whore or a race traitor. both sides have the REEEE quotient.
 
resonancer dijo:
actually the right/far right start using Bible verses to call you a whore or a race traitor. both sides have the REEEE quotient.
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i've met an awful lot of people across a wide spread of the US and other than tiny minorities of Westboro, Scientologists, Moonies, or Sovereign Citizens; far far and away people more on the left side of politics tend to be much more inclined to be condescending, dismissive, argumentative, and reliant on emotional arguments quoting rhetoric or talking points. somehow, something about modern leftist ideology insists on silencing opposition and dehumanizing their opposition.

like what many here have already espoused - many people on the left are more willing to cut out friends and family that disagree with them politically than people on the right.
 
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Club Sandwich dijo:
i've met an awful lot of people across a wide spread of the US and other than tiny minorities of Westboro, Scientologists, Moonies, or Sovereign Citizens; far far and away people more on the left side of politics tend to be much more inclined to be condescending, dismissive, argumentative, and reliant on emotional arguments quoting rhetoric or talking points.
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Let me put it this way. I've had close friends be literal cult members, in cults like Scientology where it's literally against their religion even to associate with people who think their religion is a crock of shit, and the current left is WORSE THAN THESE CULTS.

I'll give an actual example. One friend of mine, an ordinarily sane liberal, in the early part of Gamergate threatened completely out of the blue to unfriend anyone who supported it in any way. This was before I knew anything at all about GG and I've really not given a shit about it except as a source of giggles, but it was the first time I noticed that the obsessives who hated it fanatically were definitely worse than GG itself.
 
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