Having friends along ideological lines

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Let me put it this way... the current left is WORSE THAN THESE CULTS.
i feel there's a strong appeal in these people to be lauded and approved of in their chosen peer group; the pleasure they receive from having an easily identifiable opposition they can put in a box and label as evil; and lastly the divestment of personal responsibility - if there is someone who fails the group, that person is expelled and un-personed. if the group suffers a setback or failure, they take comfort as a group in each other and can separate themselves from being personally responsible for any part of that failure - instead asking others for validation. lastly the divestment of personal responsibility allows them to easily buoy themselves when the group has successes and vicariously celebrate their small part in a victory.

it's a crutch for an ego that wants to belong. not leftists in general, but the specific sort of leftist that venerates it, to the exclusion and hatred of others.
 
I am a fully registered Knight of the Ku Klux Klan and active fundraiser and speaker for White Aryan Resistance. I also write for the daily stormer occasionally.

That said I get along great with everybody of all races, creeds and from all political backgrounds (including groups as diverse as ANTIFA and the Nation of Islam) because I take the effort to see the good in everyone and don't let silly things like political disagreements get in the way of friendship. If anyone gets mad about my political affiliations I just remind them that's just their opinion and we should agree to disagree, and they always settle down and realise that it's dumb to fight over politics and apologise. I honestly don't know what you all are talking about when it comes to people breaking up relationships over politics, I've certainly never seen anything like that happen.
 
I am a fully registered Knight of the Ku Klux Klan and active fundraiser and speaker for White Aryan Resistance. I also write for the daily stormer occasionally.

That said I get along great with everybody of all races, creeds and from all political backgrounds (including groups as diverse as ANTIFA and the Nation of Islam) because I take the effort to see the good in everyone and don't let silly things like political disagreements get in the way of friendship. If anyone gets mad about my political affiliations I just remind them that's just their opinion and we should agree to disagree, and they always settle down and realise that it's dumb to fight over politics and apologise. I honestly don't know what you all are talking about when it comes to people breaking up relationships over politics, I've certainly never seen anything like that happen.
tbh its the case of most klansmen
 
politics is often the grounds of people's relationships these days, good or bad. so much of Western daily life is political bickering. everything is politicized. friendships are both made and broken on the basis of people's political views. for the most part that's fine: some friendships are based in common political views. the problem is just that everything is so politicized these days that a huge percentage of people's friendships and hatreds are formed on the basis of politics. i hardly ever talk politics with most of my irl friends even though i think i'm pretty far to the right of them.

overall yeah i think it's just emotionally healthy to have deep and fulfilling friendships that are immune to political disagreements.
 
This thread reminded me of some autist I know. He's pretty far left, the kind of guy who says shit like "real socialism has never been tried", you know the drill. He used to have a girlfriend who was left-ish herself, but they broke up because he felt she didn't agree with him enough. As you do.
 
I am a fully registered Knight of the Ku Klux Klan and active fundraiser and speaker for White Aryan Resistance. I also write for the daily stormer occasionally.

That said I get along great with everybody of all races, creeds and from all political backgrounds (including groups as diverse as ANTIFA and the Nation of Islam) because I take the effort to see the good in everyone and don't let silly things like political disagreements get in the way of friendship. If anyone gets mad about my political affiliations I just remind them that's just their opinion and we should agree to disagree, and they always settle down and realise that it's dumb to fight over politics and apologise. I honestly don't know what you all are talking about when it comes to people breaking up relationships over politics, I've certainly never seen anything like that happen.
so you've stayed married to your black wife, then?
 
Does family count ? My family is all the way to the right (not neo-Nazis, but they consider the National Front too soft) and I'm a Stalinist. Sure, we fight like Hell as soon as politics are involved, but we manage to keep good relations.
 
I'm pretty far to the left on a lot of issues, but I manage to maintain friendships across a pretty wide political swath. That wasn't always so; I was pretty hotheaded when I was young. But I've mellowed a lot with age.

Part of that is because I've had to change some of my positions over the years, as more information became available, or as I had different experiences that gave me new insights. A lot of my core beliefs have remained essentially the same--I've always been some flavor of lefty-libertarian--but while I've gone further left on some issues, I've gone further right on others than my younger self would ever have expected.

Because of that, I'm now much more aware that while I might hold a certain view on a given issue at this time, and feel justified in it, I know that view is still subject to change with knowledge and experience. I don't know what the future holds, or what might happen that could cause me to completely re-think a given position, but I accept that it could potentially happen. So it's hard for me to get too dogmatic over a political position I didn't hold 20 years ago, and might change my mind on in another 10 years--that's not a hill I want to die on, and losing friends in the process of defending it would be a Pyrrhic victory.

Having experienced this, I know that other people's politics evolve across their lifespans, too, even if they maintain a certain core set of values and political identity. And just because somebody calls themselves a "conservative," or a "liberal," or a "socialist," or a "nationalist" doesn't mean they toe the party line 100%, all the time--far from it. It's a label they use for themselves that feels right, but individual people are much more varied and complex than those labels would suggest.

So I prefer to avoid arguments over politics, preferring instead to ask questions. I like to know how people reached the conclusions they did, and how they came to adopt their political identity. Their views didn't just come out of nowhere; each person chooses them (however consciously or not) for certain reasons. And by discussing our own lives and the reasons behind why we've adopted certain positions, it's possible to talk about some really charged, hot-button issues without going at each others' throats. And we each might just learn something new, and see things in a different way.

And it's also pretty cool to find the issues we agree on, even if our respective political labels would suggest otherwise. Given how horribly divisive American poitics are these days, that always gives me some hope that we might not end up completely Balkanized, after all.
 
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