Books And Genres That Aren't What People Think - Films, games, and TV too

I'm stuck in the situation as the smut lovers. I've after low brow action-adventure entertainment, maybe with a little smut thrown in too and while such books are supposedly widely available, I've yet to see them.

I don't think I'm alone in this. I remember a while ago some hand wringing because YA fiction (Young Adult) was the most popular genre among adults. Cue lots of people proclaiming people are getting dumber, no one wants depth, yadda yadda yadda blah blah. Then I heard the reverse. YA was the most popular genre because it was the only genre where you were allowed to have a fantasy adventure, an action story, or basically anything that wasn't just woke politics and wordy attempts at being deep.

I think there's a large audience for trash. Romance novels show that much. But there's nothing really for men. Supposedly The Martian was snubbed by publishers until it exploded online. That was the last traditional novel I read. Just today I was reading a single issue "magazine" that was basically a book about unsolved mysteries. Being a "magazine", there are lots of pictures, the articles can be a bit thin, but they get straight to the point. Again, it's likely intended for kids, but it's exactly what I wanted. Fun casual reading. Something I can dip into while waiting for the washing machine or while on the shitter. I can read couple paragraphs about an unsolved art theft, or an in depth (or as much as 10 pages of a magazine allow) analysis of DB Cooper.

These days YA has supposedly fallen too. Books aimed at young people are all about trans lesbians fisting each other and general wokeshit. Best I can do is listening to audio versions of weird tales from the 30s-60s. But I'm not always wanting a ghost story.

I find it amusing that I can look around for little hovels of pulps (and anything associated with them)/vintage SF-F/sword and sorcery fans online and it's usually full of people that'll somehow put aside political sperging to just have fun with other people who love talking about this stuff.

Weirdly, I never see troons in sword and sorcery spaces too. Huh.
 
And on the opposite end of the scale. Leon. I've been told repeatedly that it's a paedophile movie about a 40 year old man and a teenager girl. But no. Her family is killed and she survives because she was buying groceries at the time. He takes her in and trains her to kill, both to get revenge, and because it's the only trade he knows. I think at one point she tries to be romantic and he slaps that down immediately. Though it's been a while since I've seen it.

In a way, it's part of a more general trend where any friendly relationship between men in fiction is read as them being gay.
Well, IRC originally Matilda supposed to be older and yes, eventually she and Leon would fall in love and have sex. However, Portman was so good at the casting that they decided to take her, but since she was 13 at the time they had to change the script accordingly. IMO it only made movie better.

On the topic of movies - every "sigma male movie" be it American Psycho, The taxi driver or Fight club, many more of these. By God their meaning flew over people's heads so high it left our star system.

American Psycho is NOT about how to be stylish and cool. It is about absolute lack of any identity among people who follow trends. Where "inside doesn't matter". Also, it is basically antiplot, so you don't need to take it literally.

The taxi driver is NOT about being cool and grinding, it is about loneliness destroying one's mind. Even Scorsese said "how can you praise Travis? He is a crazy vigilante. If he killed Palantine he would basically do the same thing from his perspective, yet he would be a criminal and not a hero". Fuck, Travis is basically an incel.

Fight Club is NOT about rebelling against society because consumerism took away your balls. Actually, Chuck Palaniuk always said "when people ask me how to join Fight club or find Tyler, I tell them "you don't get it". The book and the movie actually warn about dangers of trying to figure out manliness with a help of some guru, who will just use you for profit and power. And with the rise of the internet it is more evident that ever - Andrew Tate, Jordan Peterson, etc. Collective Tyler who will teach you how to live, just for $99.99, no refunds. Palaniuk himself said "if I wrote Fight club today, Tyler would be selling NFTs".
 
Fight Club is NOT about rebelling against society because consumerism took away your balls.
To be fair, the author hasn't helped that much. I see the film held up as prophetic regarding wokeshit, which iirc the author leaned into, but just because the term "snowflake" is used once doesn't mean it predicted the rise of woke.

Palaniuk himself said "if I wrote Fight club today, Tyler would be selling NFTs".
Supposedly there was a sequel at some point, but I don't know anyone who's actually read it.
 
To be fair, the author hasn't helped that much. I see the film held up as prophetic regarding wokeshit, which iirc the author leaned into, but just because the term "snowflake" is used once doesn't mean it predicted the rise of woke.
Doesn't matter. Heinlein wrote "Stranger in a strange land" which became hippie's Bible and he absolutely hated them.

And by God, it is not about the rise of the woke. To put it bluntly it is about society losing male role model. Chuck himself said "there were basically two books about the spiritual coming of age for boys - "The Great Gatsby" and "Dead poets society". Both of which are about chasing illusions like the illusion of manliness. What is Fight club? Basically the same thing as testicle cancer support group but instead of hugging each other and crying they beat each other up. Protagonist himself states that "after the fight problems didn't disappear, but we didn't care - everyone felt saved". Why did they do it? Because they are directionless. "I am 25, I call my father and say "Dad, I graduated, now what?" and he is like "I don't know, get married". It is also about losing the prime male role model - God. Protagonist is a cryptonihilist, he doesn't believe in anything and sees life as a road trip destined to end in a car crash. When he imagines himself dying he thinks about insurance payment that nobody is going to get since he has no family. Tyler himself says "we saw our fathers as Gods, but let's face it - they don't need us, maybe they didn't even want us, so be it!"

Also, it is not really a spoiler, but Marla was not real either. She was the first sign of the protag going insane. I mean, woman comes to testicle cancer support group and the only thing he can say is "she is fake", yeah, no shit, like women do not have testicles to begin with. She is a representation of his mother - depressed, tired and hysterical. Tyler on the other hand is the idea of The Father for him. Remember how his father was starting a new family every five years and Tyler said "he is franchising"? Isn't it basically what Tyler did in the end starting clubs everywhere? "Father abandoned me, Tyler abandoned me, I am Jack's broken heart". So yeah, Tyler is not just "an ego boost", he is a mentor and more bluntly he is a "father he never had".

What is the solution? Well, soap! No, really, creativity and taking responsibility for one's life. If there is no one to teach you to be a man, you gotta do it yourself.

Supposedly there was a sequel at some point, but I don't know anyone who's actually read it.
There IS a sequel in a form of a comic book, but it is more like Palaniuk basically telling people "this is what you retards did not understand", because he is present in a comic itself and openly mocks fans who started dressing like Tyler and even beating each other up like in the book. It ends with Tyler blowing Palaniuk's brains out before he is able to finish Fight Club 2.
 
I will go with the obvious - Lolita is NOT about a romance between an underage girl and a man in his 40s. It is a window into twisted world of a pedophile who considers every word and action of a little girl to be a sexual game, because he wants them to be. And let me tell you, from what I've seen here, I am a little scared of how precise Nabokov was in his portrayal of someone like Humbert. Like he is not a normal for the most part man with a twisted desire that makes him do terrible things that he regrets afterwards, but can't help himself. Oh no, he is completely delusional unreliable narrator who even refuses to call himself a pedophile (NAMBLA, MAP, anyone?). Fuck, even YandereDev said "I AM NOT A CRAZED PEDO GROOMER WHO GRABS CHILDREN ON THE STREET AND RAPES THEM" even though nobody accused him of doing exactly that, he just refuses to accept that in essence he is the same kind of degenerate, he just adapted it for his hikki lifestyle. If tomorrow there would appear some light non-offensive term accepted by society he would start calling himself that on the spot.
My understanding was that Nabokov was extremely upset that people constantly romanticized the story. As you said, it is intended to show how fucked up and evil the narrator is.

This probably doesn't count but Louisa May Alcott hated how readers focused too much on the romantic aspects of Little Women. (It was literally the Twilight ships of its time) She purposely put Laurie with Amy because she was so tired of readers constantly asking about him and Jo. Hell at one point in one of the sequels she literally is tempted to kill everyone off in an earthquake. She hated the books and much rather wanted to write these like....sweeping romantic epics.
 
I constantly see people assume Rambo is the quintessential "mindlessly firing bullets everywhere" macho American hero, and worse--assuming that the movies (and original novel) are meant to support a patriotic, America-first ideal of foreign policy.

Anyone who isn't a retard and has actually seen the first two movies and/or read the original David Morrell novel though, should know that Rambo is literally the opposite of that. The movies are critical of America and how utterly wasteful, damaging, and pointless the Vietnam War in particular was. Heck, in the second movie, Rambo's real enemy ends up being a higher-up who wants to cover up the existence of unrescued POWs.

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Tarzan. The original Edgar Rice Burroughs character was actually intelligent (he literally taught himself to read), learned to speak multiple languages fluently, and is repeatedly shown to know how to solve problems in ways other than stabbing things.

To this day though, most people's image of Tarzan is still "Me Tarzan, you Jane."

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Conan the Barbarian. I'm getting sleepy but basically you can easily tell most people know Conan more from the movies than the original Robert E. Howard stories. A big tell is if you ever see Conan depicted as being on a quest to avenge his village--that's something the movies invented.

There also persists an urban legend that REH literally hallucinated Conan telling his stories. This comes from basically a telephone game-esque twisting of something REH said in a letter.

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Lovecraft has been mentioned a lot, but one I've run into is people who assume that all of Lovecraft's fiction is literally about race relations, that his monsters are all meant to be stand ins for black people etc. People who say this out loud should be locked in a room and forced to read every story Lovecraft ever wrote.

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Now, here's an entire artistic medium that gets misrepresented:

Basically, I'm tired of how people tend to assume "all anime is Shonen anime." For example earlier today I was watching a video which included a clip of the RWBY creators saying "every anime eventually has a tournament arc." In fact that's the worst thing... stereotypes about anime are most common among westerners who are trying to imitate it. So they're ignorant about a thing they supposedly admire. I don't get it.

I might have to clarify later, like I said I'm really sleepy.
 
My understanding was that Nabokov was extremely upset that people constantly romanticized the story. As you said, it is intended to show how fucked up and evil the narrator is.
yeah i read lolita for a class assignment in high school. its well written and i felt very uncomfortable reading it. its not explicit at all, theres no sexualized descriptions of anything as far as i remember, which makes it all the more creepy how hes able to extract some fucked up pleasure from a little childs behavior. theres one scene where he pretty much makes himself cum just thinking about her, its never stated outright that thats whats happening but you just know. it gave me the most visceral feeling of disgust ive ever had in response to any book which is the whole point. id call it a psychological drama.
anyone calling the book coombait is retarded and hasnt read it, and claiming that only pedos can find this book enjoyable (its not really enjoyment but certainly an experience) is like saying only serial killers can like horror movies.
 
Tarzan. The original Edgar Rice Burroughs character was actually intelligent (he literally taught himself to read), learned to speak multiple languages fluently, and is repeatedly shown to know how to solve problems in ways other than stabbing things.

To this day though, most people's image of Tarzan is still "Me Tarzan, you Jane."

That's because the Disney movie and the old Tarzan films really didn't do much beyond his native environment. He's a pretty damned cool character otherwise.

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Conan the Barbarian. I'm getting sleepy but basically you can easily tell most people know Conan more from the movies than the original Robert E. Howard stories. A big tell is if you ever see Conan depicted as being on a quest to avenge his village--that's something the movies invented.

There also persists an urban legend that REH literally hallucinated Conan telling his stories. This comes from basically a telephone game-esque twisting of something REH said in a letter.

Women don't like it if you tell them the girls in Conan stories are often pretty wily and usually pick helping Conan because the alternative is horrible death. IIRC, I've seen them escape prisons/cages and cut Conan loose, distract the enemy, and even banter with him. Hell, Belit dies for him.


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Lovecraft has been mentioned a lot, but one I've run into is people who assume that all of Lovecraft's fiction is literally about race relations, that his monsters are all meant to be stand ins for black people etc. People who say this out loud should be locked in a room and forced to read every story Lovecraft ever wrote.

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Oh yeah this is a really weird thing because it's a distorted view of his work. It's also not a good way to read this, but we know the 90 IQ niggers aren't actually reading his work.

Now, here's an entire artistic medium that gets misrepresented:

Basically, I'm tired of how people tend to assume "all anime is Shonen anime." For example earlier today I was watching a video which included a clip of the RWBY creators saying "every anime eventually has a tournament arc." In fact that's the worst thing... stereotypes about anime are most common among westerners who are trying to imitate it. So they're ignorant about a thing they supposedly admire. I don't get it.

I think it's supposed to be a joke, but then they just abuse it.



Anyways, on topic, it feels like men's fiction has been misrepresented by a lot of angsty feminists as all brutal rapists on power trips.
 
Tarzan. The original Edgar Rice Burroughs character was actually intelligent (he literally taught himself to read), learned to speak multiple languages fluently, and is repeatedly shown to know how to solve problems in ways other than stabbing things.

To this day though, most people's image of Tarzan is still "Me Tarzan, you Jane."
The original Tarzan novel is a trip to read in modern times. Extremely violent, and Tarzan literally hangs nigger to death for fun. He's an english nobleman's son and he lynches african tribesmen for amusement. Could you imagine trying to publish that shit today?
 
The Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde is not about a man with a drug-induced split personality. It's about a repressed dude who makes a potion that physically transforms him and realizes he can do whatever the hell he wants without being blamed for his actions and goes absolutely wild.
 
I'm tired of how people tend to assume "all anime is Shonen anime."
I feel that. I'm a fan of 80s and 90s anime. Ghost in the Shell, Akira, Appleseed, Ninja Scroll, that kind of thing. But more than once I've seen people assume "anime" is "moeblob paedo bait".

Even with those that know anime. There's a huge difference between Ghost in the Shell, and something like My Hero Academia.

I've run into is people who assume that all of Lovecraft's fiction is literally about race relations, that his monsters are all meant to be stand ins for black people etc.
I've never heard that, but it does explain a lot. I wondered why when Netflix (or whoever it was) finally gave a budget to a lovecraft adaptation, they made it all about black people experiencing racism.

Though since you brought it up. Dungeons and Dragons. Twice.
For those that don't know. Dungeons and Dragons is a fantasy game. Bog standard medieval fantasy with orcs, elves, and magic spells. Though there are many settings from gothic horror to pulp adventure with robots and magic trains.

And yet there are people that insist orcs are a stand in for black people. Why a black person can't play "human" is a mystery. It's also a big self report that they see a race of savage brutes and assume "black people". This has resulted in the last edition nobody like retconing orcs into being kind, gentle, people who are mexican? It makes no sense.

Then there's the other side of the same coin who insist dungeons and dragons must be straight tolkien with no deviation allowed. Every game should be the main characters as peasants who die horribly if they attempt to do anything vaguely honourable or heroic. Any attractive woman who becomes an adventurer should be raped by monsters and bandits. Every adventure should be a meat grinder where half the characters die. And anyone who tries to play anything other than human, dwarf, elf, or hobbits is dismissed as a snowflake who just wants to live out Tumblr fanfiction. To be fair, some of these people are dialing it up to 11 to troll on the internet. But then you see people (like Spoony or LindyBeige) espouse these kinds of views unironically.

All of these takes are at odds with official art and adventures. Which depict ripped warriors and sexy sorcerers killing orcs, monsters, and dragons.
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Pictured: A peasant mud farmer that can barely hold a sword fighting a racist stereotype.
 
I wondered why when Netflix (or whoever it was) finally gave a budget to a lovecraft adaptation, they made it all about black people experiencing racism.
Written by Matt Ruff, who was best known for Sewer, Gas, & Electric, a parody of Ayn Rand's novels. Good book, though not as a parody, which you'd never guess it was if nobody told you. He may never have read her. Funny story though, like a weirdly well-written novelization of a '90s comic book. Popular then, totally forgotten now.
Lovecraft Country was his version of redneck horror, but he only knows books, not rednecks. He doesn't seem to know Lovecraft's books, but he knows they're racist, and that's all you're supposed to know. He "timed the market" well.
 
Oh is this the Atlas Shrugged survivors support group? Can I join in? I honestly cannot believe people take this book, and Rand, seriously. I am convinced that the only people online who praise the book are the same ones who praise Ulysses i.e. people who haven't actually read it.
I think it's sort of darkly humorous that Rand was at her literary best when describing beautiful natural landscapes.

It is true that people get her 'message' completely wrong. I still think she has a ridiculous grasp of human nature but her books are the opposite of 'fatcats good'. And she definitely had some kind of sexual domination fetish. There was some journalist back in the day that drove Rand into a rage by describing her as a bizarre new offshoot of American evangelism and I think that she was spot-on.

My big one genre-wise I guess is tragedy. So often it's used to just describe a story with a sad ending, but I think that tragedy is more or less the peak of fiction because it speaks so deeply about human nature. Look at Caesar. Caesar was driven, lofty, and also profoundly merciful. Those are the traits that made him great, and they were also the traits that brought him low. His ability to forgive enemies and transform them into allies was the root of his popularity and power - there were several points where he would have failed without that ability. But in the end he was literally stabbed in the back by people whom he had given clemency and some of whom he thought of as friends. His driven, lofty nature lead him to cross the Rubicon, but also to throw caution to the wind on the day he was assassinated. To show how human nature is so complex that the seeds of greatness and of ruin are one and the same is such a powerful and deep theme. Yes tragedies are sad but they are also inspiring.

I've heard Titanic described as a tragedy and it completely isn't. Jack and Rose die because they are on a sinking boat. They don't die because a tragic flaw has brought them low. It's a sad story, not a tragic one.
 
But then you see people (like Spoony or LindyBeige) espouse these kinds of views unironically.
I don't recall Spoony doing that, tho he did say things I thought were kinda iffy.

All of these takes are at odds with official art and adventures. Which depict ripped warriors and sexy sorcerers killing orcs, monsters, and dragons.
It's also at odds with Gary Gygax's own statements and his own recommended reading lists in early editions.

(And from your description it sounds like it doesn't really describe Tolkien, either).

I feel that. I'm a fan of 80s and 90s anime. Ghost in the Shell, Akira, Appleseed, Ninja Scroll, that kind of thing. But more than once I've seen people assume "anime" is "moeblob paedo bait".

Even with those that know anime. There's a huge difference between Ghost in the Shell, and something like My Hero Academia.
I remember when the original Teen Titans cartoon premiered, and it was constantly doing "anime" things like chibification, the facial expressions.. thing is, at the time I had seen a lot of anime, and only one I saw--a two-episode thing called Dragon Half--did any of that stuff, and Dragon Half was an intentional parody. So the show came off to me like these creators had seen Dragon Half and nothing else.

These days I'm aware that Teen Titans' representation of anime is a bit more spot-on than I believed back then, but still.

I also recall this thing called Super Monkey Team Hyperforce Go. At that one I was like "what is this even meant to be a parody of?" For awhile it was like all "anime" meant to some people was big eyes, colorful characters and stupid titles.
 
I also recall this thing called Super Monkey Team Hyperforce Go. At that one I was like "what is this even meant to be a parody of?"
I don't think it was really meant as parody. More an homage. And not even just to anime, but to stuff like Thundercats and He-Man. The Japanese influence was largely just Voltron and Sentai/Power Rangers. Twenty years on I still remember the words to the theme song.

Edit: It just occurred to me that if it was parodying anything it was Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Long ass goofy name and all. They were just Super Robot Monkeys instead.
 
People misinterpreting Gone with the Wind....especially women wanting to emulate Scarlett O'Hara and calling her and Rhett's love story the most well known romance...even though she's a conniving bitch who schemes her way through life but also is a survivor of the war. The book literally ends with her defeated and abandoned.
 
This has resulted in the last edition nobody like retconing orcs into being kind, gentle, people who are mexican? It makes no sense.
Skooboo! Zug zug! They're destroying our city!

Edit: It just occurred to me that if it was parodying anything it was Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Long ass goofy name and all.
Maybe. It's just that the show's style, and the "Hyperforce Go!" part felt like it was meant to riff on anime and how some occasionally just put weird terms in the name.

But more than once I've seen people assume "anime" is "moeblob paedo bait".
I have as well, but most people who assume that are likely just trolling or else people involved in western-made comics or animation that are mad more people like Japanese stuff.

Japanese stuff has legit problems, but most of the time, "paedo bait" ain't it.
 
Military sci fi - nonfiction isnt profitable so i am going to write my political treatise but bookend it with pulp action
hard sci fi - technobabble bullshit and mathy-physicsy sounding trite all built around the space travel macguffin

There's only a few action scenes in the book.
much to my chagrin

on topic all the fantasy authors that tried to follow in tolkiens footsteps never understood the assignment.
mein kampf isnt even a good NS manifesto. it was written by and for german ww1 veterans. a better work to actually understand the ideology is
National Socialism: its foundations, development, and goals By Ing. Rudolf Jung,
Leon. I've been told repeatedly that it's a paedophile movie
it was meant to be that. it is much more apparent in the original script. but its fair to say the final cut was not
I've after low brow action-adventure entertainment,
the closest i have come is the pre disney star wars eu, and warhammer 40k shit
Bioshock, a game often cited as the ultimate take down of rand
oh that is perfect for this thread. the entire bioshock series is about jews and their relationship to the goyim. theres much more to it than this but to make a long story short andrew ryan is a jew and fontaine is a goy and the PC is a jew golem.
https://youtu.be/RrFnsax4lvE this is a 6 hour long video elaborating how jewish the bioshock series is.
 
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t's also at odds with Gary Gygax's own statements and his own recommended reading lists in early editions.

(And from your description it sounds like it doesn't really describe Tolkien, either).
I didn't know gygax had a reading list, although I know Appendix n.

But yes. My point was DnD was neither a mud farmers dying horribly or current year american race politics. At least the mud farmer meat grinder has a place in the game for a low fantasy high lethality game.

the closest i have come is the pre disney star wars eu, and warhammer 40k shit
And even 40k moved away from that? Granted, I've not read a warhammer novel since 2006, but the concept of "bolter porn" seems to be derided, especially on the internet. Unless it's the Night Lords Trilogy. That seems to get away with it for some reason.

this is a 6 hour long video elaborating how jewish the bioshock series is.
The YouTube link is blank, and the article is just some paragraphs then links to a Kotaku article.
 
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