Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Fake News Anchor]

In Shapiro's interview, Zelensky denied money laundering from the US and EU, persecution of the Russian Orthodox Church, and, most amusingly, denied the existence of bussification in Ukraine by the TCC and claimed that 800,000 volunteers had volunteered for the army.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=cVRuLaEJij0:2259
Your lying eyes are deceiving you citizen, There is no bussification in Ba Sing Se
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Jews running cover for other Jews they've never met on the other side of the planet simply because they are Jews? Say it aint so.

 

[kuuu]

In Shapiro's interview, Zelensky denied money laundering from the US and EU, persecution of the Russian Orthodox Church, and, most amusingly, denied the existence of bussification in Ukraine by the TCC and claimed that 800,000 volunteers had volunteered for the army.

Well, he didn't deny bussification. Just said it's lawful, lol.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

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The gentleman on the right is Arestovych who, once having been in the government, resigned after confirming hohol AD caused part of an Kh-22 to hit a residential building, which caused much destruction and squealing. He is now officially considered a Russian spy by the Ukraine despite being on a list of wanted terrorists in Russia.

 

[Dave The Diver]

Hello Zisters. Stinky status?

In a way these low numbers are good because they mean for whatever reason people arent falling for the fake and gay psyop that their country isnt ruled by foreign financial parasites.

Yes, but also these numbers won't matter much if these countries roll out conscription similar to Ukraine. Your "conscientious objector" status will be kindly noted and disregarded as you are shoved into a trench.

How do you think unstable situations will become if eurocrats go ahead with their plan to relocate money from socials to the military?

Are you stupid? Why would they relocate money when they can just print more???

And there we have it: reason why Putin would go for any concessions but Crimea.

I disagree. In my view Russia has learned to live under sanctions and even prosper because now domestic businesses have no competition from the west. Sure, getting rid of sanctions would be a "nice to have", but Putler will NEVER sacrifice obtaining Crimea + 4 Oblast for this because the latter is a matter of his own survival (political and otherwise).

I think it's very likely that Ukraine government is totally and wholly owned by some kind of death cult.

I'm not yelling at you, I'm just repeating this again to try and banish the idea that Zelensky is some kind of insane cokehead who's lost touch with reality:
ELENSKY IS ACTING IN A COMPLETELY RATIONAL MANNER

Why? Because as long as he's in power he remains alive and to remain in power the war must continue. The moment hostilities stop, some asshole is going to start agitating for new elections to be called. At best new elections mean he has to flee for a cushy retirement in France. At worst it means a coup and his death. Therefore this means:

• Making UNREALISTIC demands of Russia and everyone else involved in the conflict.
• Sabotaging ANY AND ALL attempts at any kind of settlement.
• Insisting ONLY on maximalist goals regardless of battlefield status.
• Begging for more money and weapons. Money to pay soldiers (and pay off "siloviki") and weapons for the meatgrinder to keep churning.
• Throwing more and more Ukrainians into the trenches to gum up Russian tank treads with their bodies.
• Selling anything that's not nailed down in order to fund the above.
• Stealing as much money as he can to afford a cushy retirement.

Like a rat all he cares about is his own survival.
Hopefully by now Trump himself has realized that there is zero point in working with Ukranda at all and they must be left to hang if this conflict will ever end.

Both Ukrainian and Russian presidents are named Vladimir, checkmate amethysts.

The Expired Jew's name start with "Z". Coincidence?
I THINK NOT!!!

 

[MrJokerRager]

 

[Charred Dinosaur]

In Shapiro's interview, Zelensky denied money laundering from the US and EU, persecution of the Russian Orthodox Church, and, most amusingly, denied the existence of bussification in Ukraine by the TCC and claimed that 800,000 volunteers had volunteered for the army.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=cVRuLaEJij0:2259
Your lying eyes are deceiving you citizen, There is no bussification in Ba Sing Se
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Let me guess, he won't offer even a fraction of pushback or questioning that Tucker gave to Putin?

I don't need to watch it to find out, I already know the answer

 

[Candlelight Desolation]

So what is the realistic option for Trump/the US concerning the war if peace efforts keep near falling through/major parties involved keep dragging their feet like this?

 

[Keystone]

So what is the realistic option for Trump/the US concerning the war if peace efforts keep near falling through/major parties involved keep dragging their feet like this?

Walk away, pull all support for UKR, let them kill each other until one of them comes out on top, then call up the winner and discuss how to cooperate with one another in the new post-war paradigm in that region. Whether it's "the" realistic option or simply "a" realistic option is down to personal opinion.

"Be willing to walk away from a deal" is in Trump's book and is also just basic business acumen. It's well past time for him to prove whether he believes that tenet or not.

 

[Kane Lives]

So what is the realistic option for Trump/the US concerning the war if peace efforts keep near falling through/major parties involved keep dragging their feet like this?

Take the L, drop Zelensky cold turkey and wash their hands of the affair. They have more than enough proof that Ukrops are not negotiating in good faith, so it's not like they can't spin it away anyway. (Of course, neocon media gonna shit blood over the Orange Man abandoning their cold war project.)

 

[Dr. Livesey]

So what is the realistic option for Trump/the US concerning the war if peace efforts keep near falling through/major parties involved keep dragging their feet like this?

My first instinct is 'deny everything, blame everyone and bail'. The US can say they did everything possible but negotiations failed because both parties are crazy so US can remove itself from the conflict with a 'well we tried' and focus on other things (china).
But.
The US already elbows deep in conflict, they invested sooo much money and it is something that is difficult to just drop. So imo there is a possibility of US returning to how it was under biden admin - keep supporting uki democracy and sending billions.
Will it be rtarded? Yes. But so is the us politics.
I hope that i'm just stupid and there is a secret third option (preferably with surprising ru-us friendship).

 

[Dave The Diver]

Below is only my opinion and not statement of fact.

So what is the realistic option for Trump/the US concerning the war if peace efforts keep near falling through/major parties involved keep dragging their feet like this?

"Realistic option" is a bit vague, but I assume you mean "what are the options for America to pull its dick out of this crazy Slavic mess so we can wipe it off and stick it into Iran or China instead".
Others have already covered the broad strokes. America has no cards left other than putting boots on the ground.

• Threatening Russia with more sanctions will not work. They already learned how to work around more than a decade of sanctions and their Indian/Chinese partners DGAF about American complaints.
• Giving Ukraine more weapons will not work because Ukraine is simply running out of meat to send to the slaughter.
• More extreme actions like actually seizing (or giving back) the 200 billion dollars of Russian of Russian tax payer money held in European clearing houses will not work as Russia has already written it off years ago.
• If Europe or USA try to seize Russian """shadow fleet""" ships without being a first party to the war then that'll be a huge escalation (act of war, technically) no one truly wants and pave the road for some kind of naval confrontation as Russia will then begin to organize shipping convoys protected by their warships.

So the best Trump can hope to do is somehow wash his hands of the whole mess without being blamed for Ukraine loss by slowly cutting back weapons/ammo shipments from the Presidential drawdown authority established under Biden, preventing sale of additional weapons, and scaling back intelligence sharing.
Trump will still be blamed for everything and much more. Biden left him a hell of a poison pill.

Walk away, pull all support for UKR, let them kill each other until one of them comes out on top

IMO there's no doubt at this point who'll end up winning.
Spoiler: the side who had three times less pre-war population is going to lose.

negotiations failed because both parties are crazy
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The US already elbows deep in conflict, they invested sooo much money and it is something that is difficult to just drop. So imo there is a possibility of US returning to how it was under biden admin - keep supporting uki democracy and sending billions.

Neither party is crazy. See my post above explaining my view on how Elensky is approaching the war. As for Russia they would have preferred that their 2022 saber rattling was enough to get people to negotiate, but Russo-phobic Europeans thought Putler was weak so now he has to settle things the hard way.

preferably with surprising ru-us friendship

I share this dream, but it will never happen. The interests of the two countries are just too diametrically opposed. Best we an hope for is "peace from strength" where both sides respect each other and do not fuck with each other for fear of the consequences.

Monké tax because I hate posting huge blocks of text without a picture. Blame 4shits.

 

[warhammerautist]

>s-surely this time a peace deal will be struck.
It can't be done, how slow ass dragging this war is even when the weather looks favorable for mobility for either side, I don't even think it will be resolved in Trump's term.

 

[Sister Miriam Godwinson]

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>s-surely this time a peace deal will be struck.
It can't be done, how slow ass dragging this war is even when the weather looks favorable for mobility for either side, I don't even think it will be resolved in Trump's term.

I do not think that the administration that will follow Trump's is going to pursue peacemaking at all. Trump himself has openly stated that he is getting tired of the effort.

 

[Dave The Diver]

I don't even think it will be resolved in Trump's term.

Why not? Are you thinking this based on the rate at which RuZZians are capturing territory during their attrition war?

There are zero bright spots on Ukraine's horizon. No more Wunderwaffles. Drumpf appears to be reluctant (or even opposed) to go before Congress to ask for another chunk of money to throw into the Ukrainian firepit.
Even if Ukranny gets their insane ask of 30% of Bundeswehr’s military aviation (one of many sources) they are steadily running out of fresh pork to send to the trenches or to train on how to use NATO weapons platforms.


The only arrow in Ukranda's quiver is hoping to bury the advancing Russians in a tide of drones and hohol bodies. And yes, drones absolutely are a challenge (for both sides), but when the worst one side can do is hit you with a drone carrying an RPG-7 warhead while the other can level an entire commie block with a FAB-9000... there's just no contest.


On top of this this with expectations that Ukraine has very few fortifications or even locations (geographic or man-made) that can be fortified outside of Donbass and it'll be very difficult for them to do more than present speedbumps for the advancing orcish horde.

Will the war end this year? Or next year? Dunno. But I'm definitely not expecting Ukraine to last until 2029.

 

[Cuckoman]

More extreme actions like actually seizing (or giving back) the 200 billion dollars of Russian of Russian tax payer money held in European clearing houses will not work as Russia has already written it off years ago.

Trump is not so stupid that he/US would do that. He knows and have said things in the past that makes it obvious he sees BRICS as a potential threat to US hedgemony. Maybe not now but in the future unless it is avoided.
Do something like this and it will accelerate all non-tier-1 allies outside of the west to urgently want to join brics and become best friends with china.

You want every single country outside of europe and the tier-1 allies to join brics within a year or two? And come under 100% chineese hedgemony? This is how you do that.

Trump is not this stupid. When it comes to EU and their leaders, I am not so sure. It quite possible that they will implement this global financial nuclear option.
And everyone in EU will be surprised of the result.

 

[Dave The Diver]

Trump is not this stupid. When it comes to EU and their leaders, I it quite possible that they will take this global financial nuclear option.

You bring up a good point that's becoming more and more relevant as European and American views on this war begin to diverge. America can make one set of promises it might even be sincere (until the next election anyway), but Europe can easily disagree to go along. Simple examples:

• America agrees to recognize whatever number of regions as "de jure" Russian, but Europe will not.
• America agrees to lift all/some sanctions on Russia, but Europe will not.

AlexC proposed one BIG FUNNY that America could do if Europe declines to cooperate with American sanction relief.

You and others may be aware that the reason Russia's oil tanker fleet is called the big SPOOPY """shadow""" fleet is only because they do not obtain voyage insurance through London. If Britain continues to decline offering insurance to Russian shipping despite America's intentions of relaxing these sanctions then America can go ahead and offer insurance themselves. America already has such an industry (it's just smaller than Bongland's) and just by taking over insuring Russian shipping they stand to make a FUCKLOAD of cash thus making Bong-niggers cope and seethe bigly.

KremlinBot OUT.

 

[Sister Miriam Godwinson]

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[White_N]

Ukrainian Deputy Interior Minister Leonid Tymchenko has confirmed the deaths of 65 Ukrainian POWs who were killed when Ukraine shot down a Russian plane carrying them for exchange.

A reminder from a year ago

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/24/world/europe/ukraine-russia-belgorod-plane-pows.html

- Are there cases when it is not possible to identify a person at all?

- Unfortunately, there are.

- Is this a high percentage of the total number of bodies?

- Let me explain with an example: when we receive a package and see that it contains body parts, we realize that it is the remains of more than one body.

Do you remember the situation with the downed IL-76 with about 60 prisoners of war? More than 500 remains were recovered from that plane.

What is the job of an investigator and an expert in this case? For each part that was recovered, a DNA profile had to be made.

Therefore, it is not correct to measure the success rate here.

https://censor.net/ua/resonance/354...tymchasovo-okupovanyh-terytoriyi-chy-z-rosiyi

 

[Charred Dinosaur]

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Baltoid ethnonarcissists on the other hand? More akin to those messed up smashed and slammed varities of shitbull; they have a malformed drive in their inbred minds to attack their neighbors toddlers but no means to do any damage. Only problem is their new owner is a hillbilly who encourages them to be as bad as possible and will shoot anyone that calls animal control once they inevitably do something warranting euthanasia.

 

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