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edgymovies dijo:
I don’t think any of this is certain. But basically I think it harms any company that relies on foreign customers. Like for example Canadian and European liquor stores that are no longer selling US products. Maybe once Trump is gone these stores continue to sell US products, or maybe sales of US liquor never recover to their pre-Trump levels. This is one clear example, but I think it applies to many other industries. The travel industry is another major one. Flights to the U.S. have completely cratered - which is negatively affecting US airlines, hotels, and related companies. If Europeans and Canadians no longer want to buy US made products, don’t want to visit the U.S. on vacation, etc. then this is a pretty big hit to our economy. And even if these tariffs are reversed, and Trump is gone, I think the damage to the U.S.’s image is done and things may not return to their normal levels.
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First, I appreciate you actually responding and laying out your thoughts.

The Canadian and European countries counter-tariffing US goods is a by-product, yes, but I don't think it's going to last. It's a gut-level, lizard-brained response by foreign leaders who demonstrate to the world that they have no other policies to deal with the US than "oppose Trump at all costs." The US can outlast these tariffs while Europeans cannot, since the US is the largest consumer market in the world.

Canadians and Europeans not visiting the US and not buying US goods after spending decades trashing the US should come as no surprise to anyone. Trump is simply making these people put their money where their mouths are, and betting that they'll blink first. Again: they need us more than we need them, and this is a damn good way of forcing the Europeans to recognize that.

Europeans et al can sit in Davos eating caviar and sipping champagne and trashing the US all they like, but it's meaningless when their economies tank because they are so intertwined with US companies that they boycotted mineral imports and can't make the lithium ion batteries necessary for their advanced economies. When they import refugees who burn down their cities, cannot prevent their own ships from getting taken by pirates, and so on, they will have no choice but to eat their words or get elected out.
 
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Dagoth AMOGUS dijo:
While those sound bad, as Johnny Bravo phrased it, they don’t seem irreparable. And as for the United States image, it doesn’t matter what we do in some people’s eyes lol. We will always be the big bad oppressors simply because we have the bigger dick.

We shouldn’t flail it around, no, but showing it off as a bulge is fine
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This isn’t part of my original comment, but I also think tariffs work in both directions. If the idea is that by setting these high barriers we build up our own industries, then wouldn’t it also work the other way: that because we make trade with the U.S. more difficult, that the affected countries also build their own industries in response? This is maybe what I am most concerned about long term. Maybe Europeans and Canadians will realize that they’re better off relying on their own companies and then we lose our competitive edge. I was just reading about Europeans working to limit US arms manufacturers access to European markets. Long term, I don’t think this is helpful to us if European arms manufacturers become more competitive and push out U.S. companies in the world market.

My understanding is that Europe is kind of behind wrt the tech sector. I’d like to keep it that way. This idea about changing the way manufacturing is ordered, i think can hurt our dominance. I don’t have as clear an idea why, but that’s how I feel. Like we would be letting Europe and these other countries build their own competing sectors as a result of these bilateral trade barriers.
 
Can of Bread dijo:
The original concept of "human rights" as per the U.S. Constitution was more or less things that the government should not infringe upon, and if they did it was a sign that the citizenry should rise up against them. They're not entitlements in the sense you should be given things for free. It's just what the government can't do, and its responsibilities towards the citizenry.

It wasn't until the late 19th, early 20th century that you started to see "human rights" be used to refer to entitlements that the government should give to the populace. And in the 21st century it's become exponentially more overblown. It's now become a hammer of leftists to beat the populace using the government. The concept has been turned completely on its head.
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Don't agree entirely, the Constitution and BOR list certain entitlements that the Founders hold to be self-evident and inviolable, thus implicitly "human rights".
The issue is that they never included anything that required the labor of others. "Human rights" are now held to include things like food, water, shelter, medical care, doodoo corpse-skin man-gina surgery, etc, which require the labor or property of others. While someone should never be prevented from obtaining food, water, shelter, and life-saving (lel or "life-affirming") medical care, they are not and should never be entitled to your belongings or labor. Creating this entitlement may help a few more people get food/water/shelter etc, but it essentially just shortens the path of least resistance and creates a gigantic burden on those few (read: white) people who don't continuously seek the path of least resistance in life. Essentially legally robbing them en masse.
 
Can of Bread dijo:
The original concept of "human rights" as per the U.S. Constitution was more or less things that the government should not infringe upon, and if they did it was a sign that the citizenry should rise up against them. They're not entitlements in the sense you should be given things for free. It's just what the government can't do, and its responsibilities towards the citizenry.

It wasn't until the late 19th, early 20th century that you started to see "human rights" be used to refer to entitlements that the government should give to the populace. And in the 21st century it's become exponentially more overblown. It's now become a hammer of leftists to beat the populace using the government. The concept has been turned completely on its head.
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Don't agree entirely, the Constitution and BOR list certain entitlements that the Founders hold to be self-evident and inviolable, thus implicitly "human rights".
The issue is that they never included anything that required the labor of others. "Human rights" are now held to include things like food, water, shelter, medical care, doodoo corpse-skin man-gina surgery, etc, which require the labor or property of others. While someone should never be prevented from obtaining food, water, shelter, and life-saving (lel or "life-affirming") medical care, they are not and should never be entitled to your belongings or labor. Creating this entitlement may help a few more people get food/water/shelter etc, but it essentially just shortens the path of least resistance and creates a gigantic burden on those few (read: white) people who don't continuously seek the path of least resistance in life. Essentially legally robbing them en masse.
edgymovies dijo:
This isn’t part of my original comment, but I also think tariffs work in both directions. If the idea is that by setting these high barriers we build up our own industries, then wouldn’t it also work the other way: that because we make trade with the U.S. more difficult, that the affected countries also build their own industries in response? This is maybe what I am most concerned about long term. Maybe Europeans and Canadians will realize that they’re better off relying on their own companies and then we lose our competitive edge. I was just reading about Europeans working to limit US arms manufacturers access to European markets. Long term, I don’t think this is helpful to us if European arms manufacturers become more competitive and push out U.S. companies in the world market.

My understanding is that Europe is kind of behind wrt the tech sector. I’d like to keep it that way. This idea about changing the way manufacturing is ordered, i think can hurt our dominance. I don’t have as clear an idea why, but that’s how I feel. Like we would be letting Europe and these other countries build their own competing sectors as a result of these bilateral trade barriers.
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Their export industries rely largely on US demand. It doesn't work well in reverse since they already have their own tariffs, a lack of supply drives investment, a lack of demand drives abandonment.
 
Catch The Rainbow dijo:
Stephen Miller was already chudding out in newspapers at age 16.

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Miller cut off a childhood friend for being mexican, told mexican classmates to speak English, and showed up to school meetings to attack their fight against racism (then immediately left). He also reportedly enjoys seeing pictures of families separated at the Southern Border.

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Dang, this dude lives it.
 
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Imperial Citizen dijo:
The Supreme Court said that the government had to facilitate his return to the US. The government’s response is to throw up their hands and refuse to follow through.
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They did not. Nowhere in the Supreme Court order did they say this. Post the screenshot if you can find it.
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Here it is.

“The order properly requires the Government to “facilitate” Abrego Garcia’s release from custody in El Salvador and to ensure that his case is handled as it would have been had he not been improperly sent to El Salvador.”

Additionally:

“Instead of hastening to correct its egregious error, the Government dismissed it as an “oversight.” Decl. of R. Cerna in No. 25–cv–951 (D Md., Mar. 31, 2025), ECF Doc. 11–3, p. 3. The Government now requests an order from this Court permitting it to leave Abrego Garcia, a husband and father without a criminal record, in a Salvadoran prison for no reason recognized by the law. The only argument the Government offers in support of its request, that United States courts cannot grant relief once a deportee crosses the border, is plainly wrong. See Rumsfeld v. Padilla, 542 U. S. 426, 447, n. 16 (2004); cf. Boumediene v. Bush, 553 U. S. 723, 732 (2008). The Government’s argument, moreover, implies that it could deport and incarcerate any person, including U. S. citizens, without legal consequence, so long as it does so before a court can intervene. See Trump v. J. G. G., 604 U. S. ___, ___ (2025) (SOTOMAYOR, J., dissenting) (slip op., at 8).”

“I agree with the Court’s order that the proper remedy is to provide Abrego Garcia with all the process to which he would have been entitled had he not been unlawfully removed to El Salvador. That means the Government must comply with its obligation to provide Abrego Garcia with “due process of law,” including notice and an opportunity to be heard, in any future proceedings.”
 
Dagoth AMOGUS dijo:
about those Obamas divorce rumor, that would be such a mistake for Michelle. Like what is her middle name? I have never heard of it before, let alone her maiden name. We all know Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Hussein Obama. But what would Michelle’s name become? She would be a nobody. That’s why Hillary stayed married to Bill.

I’m not even sure where this rumor came from. If it’s about her lack of appearances at Jimmy carters funeral or the inauguration, that was months ago. And who can blame a woman if she just wants to go to the tropics when people make fun of how masculine she looks?
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His middle name is "Big Mike".
 
Gauf dijo:
“Instead of hastening to correct its egregious error, the Government dismissed it as an “oversight.” Decl. of R. Cerna in No. 25–cv–951 (D Md., Mar. 31, 2025), ECF Doc. 11–3, p. 3. The Government now requests an order from this Court permitting it to leave Abrego Garcia, a husband and father without a criminal record, in a Salvadoran prison for no reason recognized by the law. The only argument the Government offers in support of its request, that United States courts cannot grant relief once a deportee crosses the border, is plainly wrong. See Rumsfeld v. Padilla, 542 U. S. 426, 447, n. 16 (2004); cf. Boumediene v. Bush, 553 U. S. 723, 732 (2008). The Government’s argument, moreover, implies that it could deport and incarcerate any person, including U. S. citizens, without legal consequence, so long as it does so before a court can intervene. See Trump v. J. G. G., 604 U. S. ___, ___ (2025) (SOTOMAYOR, J., dissenting) (slip op., at 8).”

“I agree with the Court’s order that the proper remedy is to provide Abrego Garcia with all the process to which he would have been entitled had he not been unlawfully removed to El Salvador. That means the Government must comply with its obligation to provide Abrego Garcia with “due process of law,” including notice and an opportunity to be heard, in any future proceedings.”
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That quote isn't from the order, but rather from a statement made by Sotomayor that Kagan and Jackson joined.
 
Gauf dijo:
The order came from a lower court that the Supreme Court is upholding in this statement.
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You cut out the full context of the Supreme Court's ruling:
The application is granted in part and denied in part, subject to the direction of this order. Due to the administrative stay issued by THE CHIEF JUSTICE, the deadline imposed by the District Court has now passed. To that extent, the Government’s emergency application is effectively granted in part and the deadline in the challenged order is no longer effective. The rest of the District Court’s order remains in effect but requires clarification on remand. The order properly requires the Government to “facilitate” Abrego Garcia’s release from custody in El Salvador and to ensure that his case is handled as it would have been had he not been improperly sent to El Salvador. The intended scope of the term “effectuate” in the District Court’s order is, however, unclear, and may exceed the District Court’s authority. The District Court should clarify its directive, with due regard for the deference owed to the Executive Branch in the conduct of foreign affairs. For its part, the Government should be prepared to share what it can concerning the steps it has taken and the prospect of further steps. The order heretofore entered by THE CHIEF JUSTICE is vacated.
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They punted it back to the District Court, asked them to clarify what they were asking the Government to do, and warned them that their power to tell the Executive Branch how to conduct foreign affairs is limited.

The next steps would be for the District Court to issue a new order and for the Justice Department to appeal it back to the Supreme Court with the argument that the Judicial Branch is not constitutionally empowered to direct foreign policy.
 
Haloperidol dijo:
Unrelated to the current discussion, but can someone tell me when keeping track of your personal documents and records stopped being a normal part of being an adult? So many people complaining they can’t vote because they lost their shit or let it expire. It wasn’t a problem when you got your driver’s license and it shouldn’t be a problem now. Figure it out. If you can’t figure it out, you are the type of person who will vote for whoever will give you the most for doing the least, and I don’t want your input anyway.
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Even getting a Driver's license is falling out of the norm. It's wild. I've got a niece and nephew both recently out of college who don't have one. Only one has a job and they use rideshare/PT and still live at home. And probably will live there for as long as they possibly can because they both have useless art degrees and neither have any interest in actually growing up. The parents are reaping what they sowed and I giggle every time I hear them bitching about having two kids in their 20's still living at home.


Amelia Troonheart dijo:
I think people are genuinely fucking retarded and don't bother with most of these things even if they're well into their 30s.
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It's not even that hard anymore either. It used to be if you needed a replacement certified copy of your Birth Certificate, or SS Card or whatever, it was a pain in the ass. Now it's all done online and you don't even have to do that scary thing where you have to go in and talk to a stranger or whatever. Even the DMV is a cake these days. Online for most things, and things that aren't? Most states can make appointments online, you show up with your appoitment ID and you're in and out in 15 mins max.

Fuckin... going to the DMV used to be an all day bullshit excercise in the worst aspects of humanity.
 
CaliforniaRaisin dijo:
Even getting a Driver's license is falling out of the norm. It's wild. I've got a niece and nephew both recently out of college who don't have one. Only one has a job and they use rideshare/PT and still live at home. And probably will live there for as long as they possibly can because they both have useless art degrees and neither have any interest in actually growing up. The parents are reaping what they sowed and I giggle every time I hear them bitching about having two kids in their 20's still living at home.
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I'm sorry that you have two members of /r/fuckcars in your family. My condolences.
 
quaawaa dijo:
You cut out the full context of the Supreme Court's ruling:

They punted it back to the District Court, asked them to clarify what they were asking the Government to do, and warned them that their powers to tell the Executive Branch how to conduct foreign affairs are limited.
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I provided a link to the actual Supreme Court statement which contains the full context. The passage you even quoted begins with the sentence “The application is granted in part and denied in part”. The part in question, whether the Government must facilitate his return, is the part that is granted.
 
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