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Should be a wild four years.

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Stephen Miller was already chudding out in newspapers at age 16.

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Miller cut off a childhood friend for being mexican, told mexican classmates to speak English, and showed up to school meetings to attack their fight against racism (then immediately left). He also reportedly enjoys seeing pictures of families separated at the Southern Border.

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He complained about having a mexican maid drive him to school because it made him look poor.
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Holy shit, I know who I want for Vance's VP.
 
The concept of human rights is harmful nonsense.

It's nonsense because the language of human rights is taken to be enforceable but by its nature it makes practical enforcement impossible: when two absolute rights conflict which holds and which yields? Once you start getting into the real trade offs you're not talking about human rights anymore.

It’s harmful because "human rights" are taken to trump all other concerns. In practice they're used to benefit one particular group while ignoring the interests of everyone else.

Anyone who says "human rights" to you intends to hurt you.
bait used to be believable :/
 
The really sad part is that "human rights" have now become another set of rules for people to game.
It's also a lot of, "I think I should have it, therefore it should be a right." Or intangible desires that are entirely unenforceable.

Look at what people demand are rights, particularly when they pertain to certain groups. You get abortion, compelled speech and DEI. These aren't necessities for life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, but damn it, they sure make people feel good.
 
The concept of human rights is harmful nonsense.

It's nonsense because the language of human rights is taken to be enforceable but by its nature it makes practical enforcement impossible: when two absolute rights conflict which holds and which yields? Once you start getting into the real trade offs you're not talking about human rights anymore.

It’s harmful because "human rights" are taken to trump all other concerns. In practice they're used to benefit one particular group while ignoring the interests of everyone else.

Anyone who says "human rights" to you intends to hurt you.
I hate that term, because whenever morons say that they never mean the blind, deaf or other disabilities. Like that actually matter. Not just totally fine people who are ever so slightly on the spectrum and wish for praise.
 
The concept of human rights is harmful nonsense.

It's nonsense because the language of human rights is taken to be enforceable but by its nature it makes practical enforcement impossible: when two absolute rights conflict which holds and which yields? Once you start getting into the real trade offs you're not talking about human rights anymore.

It’s harmful because "human rights" are taken to trump all other concerns. In practice they're used to benefit one particular group while ignoring the interests of everyone else.

Anyone who says "human rights" to you intends to hurt you.
All the legal stuff sorts of hits reality the way negative rights do.

How many bullshit proposals show up in congressional legislation? Ok, you’re going to fix healthcare by giving yourself a shit ton of our money without even a referendum, call it democracy, and the result is going to end up being we have less doctors because doctors don’t want to be slaves? Lol.

I wish people would read about and bring back the enumerated powers act, which was an Obama era tea party republican proposal that congress should cite the constitutional authority they’re claiming that grants them the authority to pass the bill
 
bait used to be believable :/
Over the last 100 years nearly all of American exceptionalist propaganda was centered on "human rights". It doesn't matter if 100,000 people OD from fent, I'm free to speak my mind about it. This is all despite intel agencies doing all kinds of horrible things to anti-war and other political groups. Human rights are something that's easy to say, "the government won't go after you for what you say" They'll just entrap you, debank you, fire you, ruin your personal life, and if that doesn't work they'll assassinate you. It's much harder for a government to promise a base line life or a chance at a better life. Personally I think we should hold our government to the standard of both. Especially of our intel agencies.
 
Unrelated to the current discussion, but can someone tell me when keeping track of your personal documents and records stopped being a normal part of being an adult? So many people complaining they can’t vote because they lost their shit or let it expire. It wasn’t a problem when you got your driver’s license and it shouldn’t be a problem now. Figure it out. If you can’t figure it out, you are the type of person who will vote for whoever will give you the most for doing the least, and I don’t want your input anyway.
 
They aren't dumb, just overconfident. They've had 15, arguably even 20 years of cultural dominance that's just now ending and they don't know how to process it all, particularly their most radical members/footsoldiers.

I know i'm a broken record on this but it's an exact mirror image of what I saw happen to the post 9/11 patriot zeitgeist and the bush right.
The part where the buildings exploded was pretty exciting.
 
Unrelated to the current discussion, but can someone tell me when keeping track of your personal documents and records stopped being a normal part of being an adult? So many people complaining they can’t vote because they lost their shit or let it expire. It wasn’t a problem when you got your driver’s license and it shouldn’t be a problem now. Figure it out. If you can’t figure it out, you are the type of person who will vote for whoever will give you the most for doing the least, and I don’t want your input anyway.
I check my bank statements at least once a month for fraud. I bet most Zoomers don't even know what a birth certificate is.
 
The concept of human rights is harmful nonsense.
The original concept of "human rights" as per the U.S. Constitution was more or less things that the government should not infringe upon, and if they did it was a sign that the citizenry should rise up against them. They're not entitlements in the sense you should be given things for free. It's just what the government can't do, and its responsibilities towards the citizenry.

It wasn't until the late 19th, early 20th century that you started to see "human rights" be used to refer to entitlements that the government should give to the populace. And in the 21st century it's become exponentially more overblown. It's now become a hammer of leftists to beat the populace using the government. The concept has been turned completely on its head.
 
It wasn't until the late 19th, early 20th century that you started to see "human rights" be used to refer to entitlements that the government should give to the populace. And in the 21st century it's become exponentially more overblown. It's now become a hammer of leftists to beat the populace using the government. The concept has been turned completely on its head.
To be somewhat fair in the historical context, the late 19th and early 20th centuries were a political powderkeg and there were countless movements which saw humanity moving in a progression, and that part of that necessary progression meant the development of governments and societies to make people better. Both left- and right-wing revolutionaries and intellectuals pushed this kind of stuff in the United States and elsewhere.

It was Friedrich Nietzsche who, whatever else he wrote and whatever else people think of him, predicted governments of the 20th century doing this shit and killing a lot of people in the process. The goal of conservatism in the 21st century ought to be doing away with the idea that government can be used to make people or society better. It is a tool - nothing more, nothing less.
 
Unrelated to the current discussion, but can someone tell me when keeping track of your personal documents and records stopped being a normal part of being an adult? So many people complaining they can’t vote because they lost their shit or let it expire. It wasn’t a problem when you got your driver’s license and it shouldn’t be a problem now. Figure it out. If you can’t figure it out, you are the type of person who will vote for whoever will give you the most for doing the least, and I don’t want your input anyway.
I've been shocked by how many people have said they don't have a copy of their birth certificate. My mother pounded it into my head as soon as possible to always keep it on hand (edit: by which she meant in a filing cabinet where you live, not on your person obviously) or in a safety deposit box. I also have multiple copies of my marriage license, my SSN card (and have it memorized), and always keep my passport up to date even if I don't intend to travel.
Not to mention reviewing my card and bank statements once a month to verify no unusual transactions, and always file my taxes on time.
I think people are genuinely fucking retarded and don't bother with most of these things even if they're well into their 30s.

Stephen Miller was already chudding out in newspapers at age 16.
This is exactly who I want working in the government.
 
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The original concept of "human rights" as per the U.S. Constitution was more or less things that the government should not infringe upon, and if they did it was a sign that the citizenry should rise up against them. They're not entitlements in the sense you should be given things for free. It's just what the government can't do, and its responsibilities towards the citizenry.

It wasn't until the late 19th, early 20th century that you started to see "human rights" be used to refer to entitlements that the government should give to the populace. And in the 21st century it's become exponentially more overblown. It's now become a hammer of leftists to beat the populace using the government. The concept has been turned completely on its head.
Leftists when non communist countries commit human rights atrocities:😡🤬
Leftists when communist countries commit human rights atrocities : 🤫😴
 
Source: oranj man bad

Watching Amazon get flooded with Lovecraftian brand names (like uxcell, vmaisi, rosyclo, WIHOLE, Eumwod) because of their preferential treatment of an incorporated business over anything else has been nuts. I saw some slippers from a brand called "Cumswarm" and now I can't NOT think about doing degenerate shit to my girlfriend's shoes.
Cum swarm in a great band name tbh
 
The original concept of "human rights" as per the U.S. Constitution was more or less things that the government should not infringe upon, and if they did it was a sign that the citizenry should rise up against them. They're not entitlements in the sense you should be given things for free. It's just what the government can't do, and its responsibilities towards the citizenry.

It wasn't until the late 19th, early 20th century that you started to see "human rights" be used to refer to entitlements that the government should give to the populace. And in the 21st century it's become exponentially more overblown. It's now become a hammer of leftists to beat the populace using the government. The concept has been turned completely on its head.
The idea that you have a "right" to things that are not intrinsic to your body was a truly perverse inversion of the intent, but is ultimately the end state of Liberal political theory. That's why everyone now has the right to food, too health care, to housing, to this, too that.

As miserable as Dickensian "if you don't work you starve" mentality can be for some people, our effort to mitigate that misery has fallen into a never ending pit rife with free rider issues. Its why urban youths are swiping EBT cards with a thousand dollars on them while wearing designer clothing. How entire classes of people are now actively discouraged from working because if they did they would lose the benefits, get less money, and have to work instead of sit on their ass all day.

This system is not sustainable though. You can't have a society that produces nothing and just pays people to sit around and do nothing. It breaks down inevitably. There is no virtue in it. No vitality. No urge to do MORE. And before long you have people with no appreciation for the things around them because they never had to pay for any it. And if everything around you has no value to you, why NOT burn it down just too see it burn?
 
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So this is scheduled for later today (currently scheduled for 5:45 Eastern; recorded history teaches that it'll get rescheduled at least a couple of times before he shows up, assuming he doesn't just decide to go to bed early and ditch them). Former President Silver Alert making his first speech since former-ing. This might be fun to watch, now that he doesn't have his finger on the button anymore. I wonder if Jill will be just openly propping him up from behind.
 
about those Obamas divorce rumor, that would be such a mistake for Michelle. Like what is her middle name? I have never heard of it before, let alone her maiden name. We all know Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Hussein Obama. But what would Michelle’s name become? She would be a nobody. That’s why Hillary stayed married to Bill.

I’m not even sure where this rumor came from. If it’s about her lack of appearances at Jimmy carters funeral or the inauguration, that was months ago. And who can blame a woman if she just wants to go to the tropics when people make fun of how masculine she looks?
 
How exactly has the trade stuff been a total disaster with irreparable damage? It's been less than a month. Please explain. I'm not being sarcastic and would like someone on the other side of Trump to explain how the economy is now in the shitter, because the numbers don't reflect this argument.
I don’t think any of this is certain. But basically I think it harms any company that relies on foreign customers. Like for example Canadian and European liquor stores that are no longer selling US products. Maybe once Trump is gone these stores continue to sell US products, or maybe sales of US liquor never recover to their pre-Trump levels. This is one clear example, but I think it applies to many other industries. The travel industry is another major one. Flights to the U.S. have completely cratered - which is negatively affecting US airlines, hotels, and related companies. If Europeans and Canadians no longer want to buy US made products, don’t want to visit the U.S. on vacation, etc. then this is a pretty big hit to our economy. And even if these tariffs are reversed, and Trump is gone, I think the damage to the U.S.’s image is done and things may not return to their normal levels.
 
about those Obamas divorce rumor, that would be such a mistake for Michelle. Like what is her middle name? I have never heard of it before, let alone her maiden name. We all know Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Hussein Obama. But what would Michelle’s name become? She would be a nobody. That’s why Hillary stayed married to Bill.

I’m not even sure where this rumor came from. If it’s about her lack of appearances at Jimmy carters funeral or the inauguration, that was months ago. And who can blame a woman if she just wants to go to the tropics when people make fun of how masculine she looks?
Michelle LaVaughn Robinson

They have her as Michelle Robinson Obama on his Presidential Library site: https://www.obamalibrary.gov/obamas/first-lady-michelle-obama
 
I don’t think any of this is certain. But basically I think it harms any company that relies on foreign customers. Like for example Canadian and European liquor stores that are no longer selling US products. Maybe once Trump is gone these stores continue to sell US products, or maybe sales of US liquor never recover to their pre-Trump levels. This is one clear example, but I think it applies to many other industries. The travel industry is another major one. Flights to the U.S. have completely cratered - which is negatively affecting US airlines, hotels, and related companies. If Europeans and Canadians no longer want to buy US made products, don’t want to visit the U.S. on vacation, etc. then this is a pretty big hit to our economy. And even if these tariffs are reversed, and Trump is gone, I think the damage to the U.S.’s image is done and things may not return to their normal levels.
While those sound bad, as Johnny Bravo phrased it, they don’t seem irreparable. And as for the United States image, it doesn’t matter what we do in some people’s eyes lol. We will always be the big bad oppressors simply because we have the bigger dick.

We shouldn’t flail it around, no, but showing it off as a bulge is fine

Michelle LaVaughn Robinson
yup that’s the first I’ve heard of that. I may have read it somewhere many years ago but I can’t recall.
 
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