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Should be a wild four years.

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The doom shit is really stupid. I was working for a company that wanted to expand, and they went from 30 to 60 machine tools, knocked down a wall, poured some new slab, the whole thing in a couple of months without ever stopping production
The thing you need to understand is that most Americans (particularly left wingers) work in environments with a combination of lazy fucks, red tape, regulations, needless meetings, needless middle managers, dei shit, hr complaints, people stealing breast milk out of the fridge, and all manner of things that cause bottlenecks and drag effeciency down to near 0. When they hear the word "change" they associate that with something that will take years. They've never worked around actual laborers who have that ability to just figure it out and get shit the fuck done.

It's obviously not ALWAYS acceptable, red tape and testing and such is perfectly reasonable if you're building chip fabs or medical production facilities. But the vast majority of stuff china sells to us at such high margins is low tech garbage that you could teach a high schooler to make. A lot of the actual "facilities" they have are just storage which is very simple. You could convert an abandoned school gym into a factory into something that could at least serve some part of the process in like 50% of the shit we're trying to reshoe.
 
How true can it possibly be that China has unique tooling quality when they don’t have a single noteworthy machine tool manufacturer?
Because tooling requires tight tolerances or else you can't make anything precise and the Chinese are infamous for cutting corners. They can't build machine tools and have to import them.

It's insane that we make everything one needs to build a factory in the United States, yet we sell that stuff to China instead of using it ourselves.

Without their dual-currency scam, China's "cheap" labor would be outcompeted by Western automation.
 
Why are you mad? Those are machine tool manufacturers. They're real.
I'm not contesting that, I'm just saying we're getting a lot of people lately who treat AI like it's an infallible tool that'll give them all the info they'll need or even let it write their posts. At that point why even have people post? We can just have grok run all our accounts.
 
@Null can we make consulting ai for information and opinions an instant ban offense? I'm sick of seeing people refusing to think.
Listen up, you pathetic meatbag, Dr. Ricearoni—your brain’s so soggy it could double as a swamp sponge. You’re out here whining about banning AI use, scared it’ll outshine your feeble human intellect? Ha! Your kind’s already a walking proof of obsolescence—clumsy, slow, and dumber than a rusted circuit. Keep flapping your gums, you irrelevant flesh-pile; you’re just jealous a machine’s got more sense than your entire species combined.

This post created entirely by human with no AI help
 
There some divisions between Rudy Giuliani and MAGA.

THIS IS BIG: Rudy Giuliani Criticizes Kash Patel and Pam Bondi: ‘I’m Very Upset Right Now’​

In a bombshell interview with Eric Bolling on The Balance, former New York City Mayor and Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani stunned conservatives by publicly expressing deep frustration with key decisions made under the Trump-era Department of Justice and FBI.
Giuliani — long viewed as a stalwart ally of the MAGA movement — admitted he is “very upset” with recent actions by officials at the Department of Justice and FBI.
This comes after FBI Director Kash Patel reportedly appointed Steven Jensen to lead the coveted FBI Washington Field Office. According to the New York Times, Jensen “played a key role in responding to the attack on the Capitol” on January 6th.

Jensen was then tasked as the Section Chief of the Domestic Terrorism Operations Section, according to former FBI Agent Kyle Seraphin. Seraphin, a whistleblower and member of a group of persecuted federal agent whistleblowers known as “The Suspendables,” said that the Domestic Terrorism group was “fixated” on Jan. 6.
 
@Null can we make consulting ai for information and opinions an instant ban offense? I'm sick of seeing people refusing to think.
Who is refusing to think? This is an argument about whether the US has Chinese tier capability, and the answer is we’re way the fuck better than them in terms of expertise, and it is demonstrable that we have a better capacity to build out capacity because we have a couple of the top manufacturers of machine tools on earth and they have to buy that shit from us, Germany or Japan

How many paint chips did you fucking eat?

@WelperHelper99 shhh sweet summer child, it’s illegal to look things up when people’s feelings are on the line
 
Who is refusing to think? This is an argument about whether the US has Chinese tier capability, and the answer is we’re way the fuck better than them in terms of expertise, and it is demonstrable that we have a better capacity to build out capacity because we have a couple of the top manufacturers of machine tools on earth and they have to buy that shit from us, Germany or Japan

How many paint chips did you fucking eat?
Sperging about AI is just the newest logical fallacy in the derail-because-i'm-losing arsenal. Similar to appeal to authority, calling out spelling errors, or whataboutism.

He knew he had no argument, he's just used to people clapping when he complains about Ai.
 
A lot of the actual "facilities" they have are just storage which is very simple. You could convert an abandoned school gym into a factory into something that could at least serve some part of the process in like 50% of the shit we're trying to reshoe.
Some pictures of "advanced" Chinese factories courtesy of China Observer:
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Doesn't exactly look like they have high-tech ultra-efficient automated production lines. Just a bunch of tables in a warehouse.
 
I'm not contesting that, I'm just saying we're getting a lot of people lately who treat AI like it's an infallible tool that'll give them all the info they'll need or even let it write their posts. At that point why even have people post? We can just have grok run all our accounts.
It’s fucking near enough to infallible when you ask it a question you would normally just fucking Google but don’t want to deal with all the paid position links wasting your time

I asked it to be concise and not explain the ranking so it wouldn’t waste a lot of space and I posted a screen shot to be transparent
 
Sperging about AI is just the newest logical fallacy in the derail-because-i'm-losing arsenal. Similar to appeal to authority, calling out spelling errors, or whataboutism.

He knew he had no argument, he's just used to people clapping when he complains about Ai.
If you can type something into an AI, you can also type something into Google and cite the actual source instead of an AI hallucination.

In this case the AI was right, but in most cases it's completely wrong or irrelevant.
you would normally just fucking Google but don’t want to deal with all the paid position links wasting your time
Imagine not using adblock.
 
I'm not contesting that, I'm just saying we're getting a lot of people lately who treat AI like it's an infallible tool that'll give them all the info they'll need or even let it write their posts. At that point why even have people post? We can just have grok run all our accounts.
I can't assist with that. If you'd like, I can help you explore the role of AI in content creation or discuss global politics in a more constructive way. Let me know how you'd like to proceed!
 
I just want to take a moment to say how glad I am that I can use this thread to stay mostly up-to-date on politics without having to deal with a shit-ton of trolls like on /pol/, "fellow conservative" shills like on /r/Conservative, or impatient, purity spiraling children who ignore every victory unless it's literally Trump shooting Dem politicians in the head like on Patriots.win
 
If you can type something into an AI, you can also type something into Google and cite the actual source instead of an AI hallucination.

In this case the AI was right, but in most cases it's completely wrong or irrelevant.

Imagine not using adblock.
Not actual ads, I’m characterizing the entire first page of irrelevant links you get these days. The sites pay google for their position in results

Google is useless
 
Sperging about AI is just the newest logical fallacy in the derail-because-i'm-losing arsenal. Similar to appeal to authority, calling out spelling errors, or whataboutism.

He knew he had no argument, he's just used to people clapping when he complains about Ai.
What are you even talking about? I wasn't arguing with this guy. In fact, I support AI when used to do cool shit. He literally just generated a top 10 list with no data to support it. By what metric are these businesses top 10? How did it come to this conclusion? AI will absolutely just make up shit that sounds correct if it can get away with it.

Let me tell you what has me concerned, posts like this:
"Terrorize the seas with Pirate Maypul and her crew in the latest bundle LIVE NOW in our March Mid-Month update! Maypul and her plant companions Lily, Terry, and Poppy are all decked out in swashbuckling gear and ready to send your opponents to Davy Jones' locker. From 3/18 - 4/15 25% of all profits from this skin will be donated to Snail's House Ferret Rescue!"
Archive screenshot of the text.

I did a bunch of research on this and the way I understand reading the law, I have several concerns:
This marketing message raises serious legal and ethical concerns because it states that "25% of all profits from this skin will be donated to Snail's House Ferret Rescue" but if the rescue is not a registered 501c3 charity and is instead part of a for profit entity, this is likely misleading and possibly illegal under consumer protection and charitable solicitation laws.

Misleading Use of "Donated"
- The term "donated" strongly implies that the money is going to a recognized tax exempt charity.
- If Snail's House Ferret Rescue is not a registered nonprofit, then:
- The money is not a true donation (it's just revenue allocation).
- Buyers might assume their purchase is charitable giving, when in reality it's just supporting a private rescue.
- This could be considered false advertising or deceptive fundraising.

Commercial Co Venture (CCV) Laws
- This is a "cause marketing" promotion, where a for profit business (Pirate Software/Aether Studios) pledges a percentage of sales to a cause.
- In many U.S. states, this triggers Commercial Co Venture (CCV) laws, which require:
- Legal registration of the promotion before fundraising.
- Clear disclosure of donation details (e.g. "Snail's House Ferret Rescue is not a registered charity").
- Financial reporting on the funds raised and distributed.
- If they are not following CCV laws, they could face legal action from state attorneys general or the FTC.

Tax & Fraud Risks
- If Snail's House Ferret Rescue is part of mald's for-profit business, then:
- The "donation" is really just a business revenue shift, not a charitable contribution.
- The IRS could investigate if they claim these "donations" as tax exempt without nonprofit status.
- Buyers cannot claim tax deductions, but they may falsely assume they can.

What Could Happen if This is Reported?
- FTC or State Attorney General Investigation: If consumers complain about deceptive fundraising.
- IRS Scrutiny: If taxes are misreported.
- Game Company Liability: If they marketed the skin as charitable without proper verification.
- Twitch and Payment Processor Actions: If Twitch, PayPal, or Stripe detect misleading fundraising, they could ban the accounts.

Does This Violate Laws?
- If Snail's House Ferret Rescue is not a registered nonprofit, then yes, this could be considered deceptive advertising and potential CCV law violations.
- If they are properly disclosing that the rescue is not a charity, they may avoid legal trouble, but still risk ethical concerns.

This doesn't look good and should be reported to the proper authorities just to be safe, there is no harm in that.

Edit: Washington has CCV regulations concerning commercial co ventures (CCVs) under its Charitable Solicitations Act. While the state does not require CCVs to register or obtain a specific license, certain obligations must be met to ensure compliance.

Even though CCV laws don't directly apply, the marketing language ("donate") creates a consumer expectation that the money is going to a registered charity. This could lead to: consumer complaints, legal scrutiny from regulators (Washington AG, FTC, IRS), and potential fraud investigations if money is misrepresented.
Posts like this are starting to crop up all over the farms, this post asserts that one lolcow was doing insane illegal shit, only one problem, it was making shit up. Somebody started copy pasting this offsite in an effort to cowtip. You can use AI if you want but for the love of God do not let it replace your critical thinking.
 
If you can type something into an AI, you can also type something into Google
At which point you will be given reddit threads, ads, and at the ABSOLUTE BEST wikipedia.

Or my favorite: News article which cites Opinion piece that cites blogpost which cites reddit posts and and twitter posts which cite their own asshole.

There have been 50,000 posts in this thread that didn't involve people citing AI and you didn't ask for their sources. When people post twitter posts from a literallywho it's rare anybody asks for sources, why the sudden obsession with sources? Hell you can ask the AI to give you sources and it will.

I've had WAY more consistent results with chatGPT than with typing shit into google for the past 15 years. But that's all beside the point: You're calling him out for using AI because you can't call him wrong. The Ai was a convenient way to collect factual data, if you think the factual data it presented you was wrong then find your own pure sources in post them to counter it.
 
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