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Do any of you idiots know what a stick and carrot actually is? You put the carrot on a stick like bait on a fishing rod, it isn't you fucking beating someone with it.

This is a carrot on a stick, not that stupid butchering of the statement Obama did
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Do you, you silly fuck, it's been a phrase since at least ww2. It's just a common statement referring to rewards vs punishments. Thanks for running in, stomping your little feets and declaring "WELL ACTUALLY".. and getting it wrong.
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This page is dedicated to the brave troops who fought in the War of 1812 that Elon Musk and Doge are now working to deny their social security benefits that they are currently collecting.

Absolutely disgusting how those Nazis are trying to deny Andrew Jackson's veterans their due. Probably just because he was a Democrat!


We were. The entire western world went out of its way to normalise relations with Russia all through the 90s and early 2000s, with the intent of increasing economic integration and cooperation, in order to help bring Russia up out of the doldrums created by the collapse of the soviet union. The US sought a full trade relationship with Russia and wanted to increase military and trade coordination. European leaders assumed Russia would want to trade on fair terms for mutual benefit and pursued a policy of wide economic integration.

Russia, under Putin, used that growing economic integration as a tool to divide Europe against itself, subtly or not-so-subtly using its stranglehold on European gas and oil supplies to manipulate EU governments. Particularly germany. In this way it neutered any possibility of a coherent response to his invasions of Georgia and Chechnya, and in the process reverted to its cold war isolationism and belligerence toward the west. Trump himself warned the leaders of Europe about a repeat this same thing in the run-up to the Ukraine invasion, but they were still caught up in the belief that trade would eventually bring Russia back to the table.

This idea that Russia has been unjustly isolated since the 90s is bunk; Russia put itself in this position.

I gave you a disagree not because you are wrong about Putin and the way he went into using trade to fuck with Europe, but because of the claim that the 1990s economic integration was in any way used to "help" Russia.

The 1990s saw Russia be virtually looted from top to bottom by the new class of oligarchs under Yeltsin's "shock therapy capitalism" which lead to a massive fucking collapse of both quality of life and median income. Yeltsin then shat all over the constitution with his dissolution of the parliment in 1993 which was against the constitution of the New Russia, and the West backed him all the way and didn't give a shit about it. This pretty much told Russians that the new boss was exactly the same as the old boss and that all the talk of "Democracy" was a lie.

The rest of the 1990s continued as a humiliation conga for Russia, while western interests would come in and a slice of the pie for cheap from the oligarchs that Yeltsin created and let run amok. This is why Putin eventually took over and why there is revanchism going on in Russia. To them the 1990s saw they make a honest attempt at this "Western Liberalism" thing only for it to immediately collapse and their "new friends" to give 0 shits about it.
 
This has to do with the fact that people don't adjust their lifestyle like they should to account for the actual savings that they can provide.
Late reply due to work.

I argue against this a bit. As there's plenty of retards who tend to "Diet coke offset their double quarter pounder" in their life a lot, but there's been little if any tangible benefit for the people who don't live like that as well. Utility companies tend to be ribald crooks in a lot of cases and the BBB is basically constantly ranking them as 2 star at best operations from the sheer volume of negativity they get as a rule.

I'm personally a penny pinching MFer who turns the breakers and power strips off when not in active use, know that some appliances eat as much power plugged in as they do when fully on, and I've seen zero returns or savings except keeping the same utility cost as before they cranked the rates up to account for the assumed efficiency. When the local polls hit of X or Y households have X or Y percentage of LED lighting and tankless water heaters in the area. So they can continue to skim off the top.

I'm not throwing a hot tub party with 100 lights on to celebrate saving money, even though that sounds kinda fun. IMO It's just more examples of them offsetting the perceived burden of the power grid and the environment onto the people and the people's habits in some bullshit greenwashing profiteer push.
 
Late reply due to work.

I argue against this a bit. As there's plenty of retards who tend to "Diet coke offset their double quarter pounder" in their life a lot, but there's been little if any tangible benefit for the people who don't live like that as well. Utility companies tend to be ribald crooks in a lot of cases and the BBB is basically constantly ranking them as 2 star at best operations from the sheer volume of negativity they get as a rule.

I'm personally a penny pinching MFer who turns the breakers and power strips off when not in active use, know that some appliances eat as much power plugged in as they do when fully on, and I've seen zero returns or savings except keeping the same utility cost as before they cranked the rates up to account for the assumed efficiency. When the local polls hit of X or Y households have X or Y percentage of LED lighting and tankless water heaters in the area. So they can continue to skim off the top.

I'm not throwing a hot tub party with 100 lights on to celebrate saving money, even though that sounds kinda fun. IMO It's just more examples of them offsetting the perceived burden of the power grid and the environment onto the people and the people's habits in some bullshit greenwashing profiteer push.
You are right that corruption has a large part, it almost never hasn't been a factor. But they are more proactive in their business than the average joe that wants to save 4c on a power bill. The law and economy work for them automatically compared to making lifestyle changes. Their is an actual mathematical benefit but you have a narrow window to actually harness it and one misstep can ruin it entirely and you have to start over. It's not something people are going to want to keep on-top of unless it happens by principal automatically.
 
I would like grocery prices to go down. I thought that’s what I voted for.
It’s all economics 101, nigga.

Black people spend nonstop money on shitty guns and booze. That flows into circulation, rice and bean prices go down because more liquid is flying around, smith and westen stock continues to decline.

It’s like lion king, bro.
 
Ok I got to call out the populist Trump types here and ask some questions.

1: You say that Elon's comment about giving every American 5000 dollars would not cause inflation and would not be a big deal, but republicans kept saying how the war in Ukraine was costing America to much money even though giving every American 5000 would cost more then America has spent on Ukraine the entire war.

2: How does America giving up on Ukraine benefit America ? ?Ukraine talked about a 500 billion dollar mineral deal meanwhile giving up would on America nothing and make all the previous money spent a waste.

3: Be honest why do you hate European countries so much ? The majority of Americans are European and even if you are not as an American Europe is your spiritual motherland. If you want to be able to keep up with China at a time when China is making inroads with other countries for deals you can't alienate your base, if you want to support Israel (I don't know why you would but the majority of Trump voters do) then you shouldn't alienate Europe t a time when more and more are getting stick of Israel and recognizing Palestinian state hood.
I get this is bait but

1 the $5000 is already existing money and we wouldn't print now money

2 A hypothetical deal doesn't help the US.

3. This isn't going to help China and I have no connection to Europe. Just because my ancestors traveled from there decades or centuries ago doesn't mean I have an attachment to retards in th old country. Euros need to accept that Americans were and are a different breed from them
 
The rest of the 1990s continued as a humiliation conga for Russia, while western interests would come in and a slice of the pie for cheap from the oligarchs that Yeltsin created and let run amok. This is why Putin eventually took over and why there is revanchism going on in Russia. To them the 1990s saw they make a honest attempt at this "Western Liberalism" thing only for it to immediately collapse and their "new friends" to give 0 shits about it.

There's an apocryphal quote I read somewhere about how no American understood the Russians like Tricky Dick, and how no American ever got as much out of the Russians as Nixon, either.

Excerpt taken directly from Nixon's last book. He also wrote a 7 page letter to Clinton prophesying Russian authoritarianism coming back.

the late Richard Milhouse Nixon dijo:
“Throughout the Cold War, we looked forward to a time when we might live in a peaceful world, with harmonious international relations, prosperous economies reaping the benefits of unlimited global trade, the expansion of freedom and human rights, and the opportunity to enjoy life. These promises of peace crystallized into an idealized version of a post-Cold War future. The fact that it has not been realized has produced a pervasive, enervating sense of anticlimax. The reality of peace is that it is only the foundation upon which a more prosperous and just world can be built. This effort will require just as much determination, vision, and patience as the defeat of communism required.”

“The United States must lead. We must lead to open the eyes of those still blinded by despotism, to emboldened those who remain oppressed, and bring out from the dungeons of tyranny those who still live in darkness. The question remains whether the United States will meet its responsibilities of leadership beyond peace as it did to defeat the communists in the Cold War. History thrusts certain powers at certain times on to center stage. In this era, the spotlight shines on the United States. How long it stays with us – – and how brightly it shines – – will be determined by us alone.

“Peace demands more, not less, from a people. Peace lacks the clarity of purpose in the cadence of war…. Our contact at home and abroad will determine how well we improvise beyond peace.”
 

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What world do they live in?

I think if they saw some of the celebrating in this thread, DAILY, they might have a conniption fit
I saw this post as well. What is it implying exactly? How do Redditors think Trump voters are being abused/exploited as this comic implies? Everything I see and read from his supporters implies the opposite.

I would check the comments myself but I can't expose myself to that much Reddit without developing another tumor.
 
Just because my ancestors traveled from there decades or centuries ago doesn't mean I have an attachment to retards in th old country
I feel you. Got a last name like O’Hara Patt McFinningan and from Native/Irish. No one in America gives a shit about the Rez or the old country, fuck those people. It’s only Arabs, Jews and Mexicans who think their culture is worth a shit and it ain’t. Would rather be an American over some spud sucking mick drunk.
How do Redditors think Trump voters are being abused/exploited as this comic implies?
Because they are retarded and never lived outside a costal city.
 
There's an apocryphal quote I read somewhere about how no American understood the Russians like Tricky Dick, and how no American ever got as much out of the Russians as Nixon, either.

Prophetic warning taken directly from Nixon's last book.
Nixon was cool for calling the bohemian grove faggots faggots, but he also handed over our entire international posture to fucking Kissinger, and that was the birth of modern ultra shithead China

This is the lineage of governance that took your grandma’s house she lost to the bank and gave the money to China so they could take your dad’s job and poison your fucking babies.
 
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