2024 Syrian opposition offensives - The first Syrian rebel offensive against Government forces since March 2020

"you know I'm reminded of antisemitic conspiracy literature where Jews say the goyim are stupid and short sighted, given the Syrian rebels seem to lack any desire or wherewithal to oppose Israel occupying their country kinda shows that literature was saying something true"

.....wat. If HTS makes one move on Israel right now, fires one single bullet, all those years of careful planning and preparing are gone in an instant. Israel is itching to extend its killstreak of terrorist groups, believe that. Al-Golani is gonna be at least smart enough to use diplomatic means to try to dislodge Israel from their newly-occupied land. Bibi and Trump aren't gonna give a flying fuck, but neither is an immortal god-king. We know al-Golani is capable of long-term planning, so this situation isn't gonna be resolved now, or even soon.
 

Maori Kiwifruit Growers

It is fair to point out that Muslims have been wanting to destroy Israel, and drive Jews out of the middle east, since it's inception.

As I have pointed out "death camps" never existed in Europe during the second World War.

Jewish Ghettos did also exist, mostly because (Orthodox) Jews create enclaves naturally. We saw them do the same thing in New York after WWII, without any government or societal push to do so.

Article 2 applies not just to Arabs against Jews in the Middle East but Jews against Arabs and the US government against the White population.

As an Orthodox Christian, I do talk about the massive injustice they face around the world. In Ukraine, and the Middle East.
 
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Nigger you what? This is a lie, point blank. The Jasmine Revolution in Tunisia was widely hailed as a total success. Similarly, the Moroccan constitutional reforms of 2012 were massively successful. In Bahrain the government established the BICI which wrote an absolutely scathing review of the government and its repression of civil rights, to which the government responded by implementing the vast majority of their recommendations. In Kuwait, the protesters managed to get the corrupt PM to resign and the holding of snap elections. Even in Jordan, the Arab Spring led to the king appointing Abdullah Ensour as PM, who served for four years, 2012-2016, and under him the economy did very well, with economic growth never dropping below two percent and reaching as high as four percent in 2014.

The whole "Arab Spring was a failure" line is a meme. The three losers were Iraq, Libya, and Syria, and the collapse of Iraq and Syria can be primarily attributed to Iranian meddling.
Tunisia has regressed to Islamist rule no? Last time I checked anyway? Morroco, Jordan and the gulf states implemented reforms, to varying degrees. I suppose that's success if your metric is less than "overturn the political order".

Egypt reverted to military dictatorship in 2 years, Sudan weathered the initial wave and now is in its third civil war in the country's existence.

The fact the gulf states and Arab monarchies were able to implement some reforms, in response to popular discontent is hardly a success? If you're comparing it to the revolutions of 1848. Where similar concessions were made. But the social order remained intact.

Maybe we need to define the terms of failure and success here? If you mean governments were overthrown, and reforms were implemented, then it was a success. If you mean they became liberalized societies with the same value system as New Yorkers, then clearly not?

As it stands, I think the Arab spring was a bad thing regardless, but even if you don't it was hardly the sweep you are making it out to be.

You know what I'm going to say, and yet I know you won't address the point, just like every time before. "Jihadist" is a blanket term used by retards that don't understand granularity. It is a box you put people in that way you don't have to actually spend brain power understanding them. HTS is not Hezbollah. HTS is not ISIS. HTS is not AQ.
I am in fact well aware of these differences you charlatan. HTS is a spinoff of Al-Nusra, which is different from ISIS which is different from Hamas and yes Hezbollah is Shiite, the prior groups are Sunni.

I can see the videos of them executing suspected Alawites in the streets as well as anyone else. Who do you think you are fooling here?
 
As I have pointed out "death camps" never existed in Europe during the second World War.

The fucking Germans themselves aren't even denying it, what the fuck.... Out of all of the braindead retard fuck ways to deny the Holocaust, you have to pick the one that's the dumbest out of the entire dumb fuck batch? Maybe you should visit one at some point in your life, and hopefully participate in a real life demo of a gas chamber.
 
The fucking Germans themselves aren't even denying it, what the fuck.... Out of all of the braindead retard fuck ways to deny the Holocaust, you have to pick the one that's the dumbest out of the entire dumb fuck batch? Maybe you should visit one at some point in your life, and hopefully participate in a real life demo of a gas chamber.
I will refer you to page 151 on Auschwitz and the Hungarian Action. The camps existed, but people were there to work. Eventually as the war drug on, and the Soviet Union Destroyed all their crops(Along with lack of hygiene supplies, and medicine) about 250,000 Jews as well as millions of other innocent civilians died.

War truly is hell.

@A Cardboard Box
I'm Antiochian actually lmao. https://www.collegiosantanselmo.com/en/2022/05/09/syrian-orthodox-archdiocese-of-aleppo-syria/

The Orthdox Church is illegal under zelensky https://www.dw.com/en/ukraines-orthodox-church-ban-justified-or-not/a-70108578
 
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1/ We were in Syria, and the truth is - it was quite strange. Not only because who would have believed we would go there, etc., but because it was supposedly enemy territory, which they had only entered a few days ago, but look what the first thing we saw when we got out of the vehicle: two paratroopers, without helmets, sitting in a tent with coffee and a cigarette in front of the view of the Israeli Golan Heights >>
2/ And this is what the entire tour looked like: we didn't hear a single shot, some of the vehicles were open, and not only did we not meet or hear an enemy - but none of the fighters there (yet) encountered a single terrorist. Look at this Syrian outpost - Tel Kudna - it was captured without a single shot being fired there. I wonder what the fighters of Yom Kippur 73 would have said about this >>
3/ The story of Tel Kudna is quite similar to the other Syrian outposts in the sector: On Friday night, the Syrian soldiers were briefed, got on their weapons, and simply abandoned it completely. Within 24 hours, the IDF was in the area and began to seize the outposts and establish themselves in them. They observe and gather intelligence on them for years - and overnight they capture them with zero resistance >>
4/ The thing that stood out to me most about the outpost is the logistical infrastructure that the IDF has already placed there: They have already brought containers with toilets, showers, and a kitchenette. The paratrooper company commander who is occupying the outpost already has an office, and it will be expanded later. It reminded me a lot of what is happening in the Netzarim Corridor in Gaza - the next stage: cellular reception antennas and snooker tables >>
5/ Battalion 101 has already settled in quite well: the outpost already has a name - "Sparta", and look where the fighters sleep: some in bunkers, some in Tabun rooms and others. Here in the videos, a glimpse into the rather miserable conditions in which Assad's soldiers lived here, and what went through my mind was that in such conditions, I can understand why most of them simply fled from here for their lives without a fight >>
6/ For those who want to truly understand why it is important for the IDF to control the buffer zone - watch the following video: This is exactly what "seizing controlled areas" means - and gaining a point of control and observation deep inside Syrian territory, in order to protect the Israeli settlements behind >>
7/ The fighters and commanders say that they definitely come into contact with the local Syrian population, but they "smile" when they see them, and there is even a conversation with "local forces". Driving through the village you could see IDF checkpoints at the intersections, a bit reminiscent of IOS.
But other than that - the rebels are nowhere to be seen, and the citizens are living their lives >>
8/ And here is one of the interesting things we found in the Syrian outpost: a notebook filled with the handwriting of a Syrian soldier who learned Hebrew, perhaps from listening to an Israeli connection. Follow the pages in the notebook - starting with innocent letters and words, and reaching ranks, military personnel, and military terms (my favorites: accept, carry out, Siud Tsaba and Tzvit). The progress in the material is noticeable >>
9/ By the way, an interesting thing to know about the village of Khodna and the outpost next to it that we visited: they are even beyond the buffer zone, beyond the Bravo line (that is, in full Syrian sovereign territory). In other words, the IDF also allows itself to go a little beyond the buffer zone, when it comes to controlled territory of strategic importance for observing the Syrian space >>
10/ Before finishing, a jump to the new obstacle that the IDF has been erecting on the border for months: an obstacle of anti-tank trenches and boulders, which is intended for only one thing: to delay for about half an hour an attempted raid using vehicles or vans into Israeli territory (or to make the attempt on foot). After 7/10, the commanders treat him modestly and understand that his role in defense is quite limited >>
11/ To summarize the historical and strange visit to Syria: it is too early to know how things will develop here. The IDF may find itself drawn to a prolonged stay in the field with many forces (and later will also require reserves). And the silence is deceiving. It can be estimated that it is only a matter of time until those who would least like the presence of the IDF in the area arrive on the scene. so far.
 
What the fuck strawman shit is this? I'm using the metric that the people protesting used. They wanted political reforms, in most countries, they got political reforms, which is why the stopped protesting and it didn't rise to a civil war. Christ wept.
Then the protests were less ambitious than they were being sold as. I was told as were many at the time this was an overturning of a decrepit political and social order and the flowering of a liberalized Arab world that would reach first world living standards, become accepting of women, gays and atheists and all the mosques would close.

Am I a Jew, too? Say the line, faggot.
Look up the definition of the word charlatan. Or sophist if you please.

Everything you have said is evasive and nondescript rubbish-hair splitting and goalpost shifting, question begging and gish gallop.

No. It actually was a functional democracy until 2022 when the crisis swamped president held a sham referendum to rewrite the constitution.
And this just happened out of the blue? There wasn't say sustained discontent when the economy failed to improve or power struggles that led to that happening? You really do have CNN brain. No event is causally connected, things just happen out of the aether one day for zero reason.

Incredible.
 

Maori Kiwifruit Growers

It is fair to point out that Muslims have been wanting to destroy Israel, and drive Jews out of the middle east, since it's inception.

As I have pointed out "death camps" never existed in Europe during the second World War.
Nigger what? I have family who died in them. There were two types of camps, death camps and work camps. Even the Nazis were open about it. Holy shit


Jewish Ghettos did also exist, mostly because (Orthodox) Jews create enclaves naturally. We saw them do the same thing in New York after WWII, without any government or societal push to do so.

Nigger WHAT? Dude my family was thrown out of their house and pushed into a ghetto. Bro do some basic fucking history that doesn't come from /pol/.

Article 2 applies not just to Arabs against Jews in the Middle East but Jews against Arabs and the US government against the White population.

Are you stupid or a troll?
As an Orthodox Christian, I do talk about the massive injustice they face around the world. In Ukraine, and the Middle East.
Nigger you know the ROC is run by the Kremlin, right?
 
lol reminds me of this meme
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The Orthdox Church is illegal under zelensky
Lmao what? Absolutely not. Again, the vast majority of the population is Orthodox. What Zelensky did was ban specific churches and specific religious orders with ties to Moscow or Kirill, which, if you really are Orthodox, should absolutely support. In fact, I would argue that members of the ROC should be denied communion by other Churches until they formally join another Church, because Kirill is a crooked, heretical bastard.

Full disclosure, I'm a member of the Greek Orthodox Church.
 
Nigger what? I have family who died in them. There were two types of camps, death camps and work camps. Even the Nazis were open about it. Holy shit




Nigger WHAT? Dude my family was thrown out of their house and pushed into a ghetto. Bro do some basic fucking history that doesn't come from /pol/.



Are you stupid or a troll?

Nigger you know the ROC is run by the Kremlin, right?
I also had family suffer in the war. Hell one grandfather lost his hearing after being shot down by a German over the English Channel. The other had his face bashed in to the point he was considered KIA for a time.

That doesn't change the facts of what happened.

I'm sure after the war started a lot of people who left Jewish areas were put back into Jewish areas. Israel did the same to Arabs. Americans have de facto kicked Whites out of American cities. After WWII Germans were kicked out of places they lived in for centuries.

ROC being run by the Kremlin is a claim that must be backed up by evidence.
 
Lmao what? Absolutely not. Again, the vast majority of the population is Orthodox. What Zelensky did was ban specific churches and specific religious orders with ties to Moscow or Kirill, which, if you really are Orthodox, should absolutely support. In fact, I would argue that members of the ROC should be denied communion by other Churches until they formally join another Church, because Kirill is a crooked, heretical bastard.

Full disclosure, I'm a member of the Greek Orthodox Church.
The Petrarch of Constantinople wanting to make the New Testament Church like the Roman Church with his "senate at Crete" was what made me love Kirill. here
Denying communion to a true believer is one of the highest blasphemies I can think of.
 
Leddit, take with salt


Hi, I'm a med student from Damascus University, I wanted to share parts of my daily life after the fall of the assad regime, to give a different perspective far away from the media and to shed some light on the chaotic situation, the new government, and HTS. I hope that through my posts you can come to a decision on whether New Syria is just another Al-Qaeda/ISIS stronghold that should be eradicated or a new country rising from the ashes that should be given a chance.

Keep in mind this post contains many opinions that may not be representative of the population. I can't promise that I won't be biased or even ill-informed, but I can say that I won't lie or intentionally mislead. I also have to state that I am a sunni arab, so I cannot claim to know the worries and problems of Alawites, christians or Kurds.

I believe this content is appropriate for this sub, it's not exactly news but it gives information on whether shared content is exaggerated propaganda or the truth. If the mods still find this inappropriate, then please inform me so I can stop posting.

The following was written 2 days ago and posted as a comment on this sub (Reposting it so more people can see it). The remainder of day 1 should be posted within 24 hours and will tackle the regime's presence in universities. To the people that already read it, sorry nothing new is here yet (except for the last sentence), I was busy and didn't want to write some low-quality account, as it is a serious topic, So I had to delay it for now ( Just like George R. R. Martin, hopefully my next post doesn't take 13+ years though).

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A-Chaos:

Background:
Damascus fell before any HTS fighters reached it which resulted in the looting of public institutions and some businesses (no homes as far as I am aware). Furthermore, since Assad's army disbanded they just threw away their rifles and even RPGs in the streets, wore civilian clothes, and left with their families to the coast (which was quite a disheartening sight, seeing children walking at 3 am in the cold towards a location hundreds of kilometers away is heartbreaking).

The result is that random civilians who never touched a rifle suddenly had a whole arsenal at their disposal (this includes children, There are pictures of children holding aks and I heard stories of RPGs as well. Terrifying, imagine justifiably staring at an armed kid and he decides you pissed him off, not fun).

Stray Bullets:
When the official announcement of the regime's fall came, everyone started celebrating in the only way they know: emptying mags straight into the sky. Now this would be expected and sort of acceptable under normal circumstances, but not when you have a weaponized mob. The shooting started as soon as the news was confirmed (I forgot when exactly, something like 6-7 am?) and did not stop FOR THE REST OF THE DAY, THE REST OF THE F-ING DAY. I think I still heard some shooting around 10 pm. We joked that Israel started bombing because we ran out of bullets to shoot.

Two main problems resulted from this, bodily damage from bullets falling back down and NOISE. The shooting resulted in dozens of injuries and some deaths (not sure of the exact figure), I think a 6th-year med student died from one stray bullet. I personally did not risk it and did not leave my home due to this. The NOISE however still very much affected me. Honestly, I don't know what the hell people think when they empty magazines into the air, I mean doing it once out of curiosity I can understand, but doing it for hours??

Looting
To keep it short, people entered public institutions (The presidential palace, the Central bank, Police Stations, universities, and more) Stole everything including furniture, and left. Oh, and they were armed with aks obviously so no do-gooder could do anything.

"AK-47s FOR EVERYBODY"

Israeli Bombing
Didn't take long for them to take advantage, I think they started bombing around midday. Rockets coming down make one hell of a bang and send earthquake-like shockwaves. I am used to one or two rockets a day and usually a good distance away. However, this time the bombing campaign was on an unprecedented scale and they were VERY close (note: bombing campaign is still ongoing as of midnight 12/9/2024-12/10/2024).

Credit where it's due though, I have not heard of a single civilian death as Israel is accurately targeting military installations and equipment, which is sort of fine? if it will get them to stay away and never come back. Most equipment is Soviet-era and poses no real threat to the state of Israel so it isn't exactly going to be used anyway (assuming we aren't going to suddenly invade our other neighbors), but it still hurts. Billions of dollars just vanishing into thin air an entire army's arsenal disappearing in mere days, and above all, we are stuck being Israel's b**ch for the foreseeable future.

Anyhow the noises are terrifying, I really hope Israel stops at that, HTS has been doing the right thing (not kamikazing into the Golan) and just ignoring everything (they haven't even mentioned it) they are completely focused on administration and stability. I hope peace and some sort of treaty that allows open borders ( and perhaps dual citizenship?) for the Syrians of the Golan can be negotiated.

HTS arrival:
HTS troops started flowing in around 12-1 pm, but they were overwhelmed to say the least. They started taking the guns, stoping the looting and the blind firing, and imposed a curfew (very much needed). They did their best given how much time they had, but chaos is chaos. I spoke with a few of them, and they were very reassuring.

Day 1 (9/12/2024)

B- Stability

1- HTS Crackdown

Following the previous day's events, HTS cracked down hard on looters and anyone possessing illegal firearms. Imposing prison sentences and opening channels for complaints. They post some of the complaints they receive to show that they are being processed (and in some cases already finished), which is a very beneficial step, no one is gonna go around looting if he knows there will be a reckoning.

So for the second day the situation was mostly stabilized, there were still car thefts and some other petty crimes but no more AKs roaming the streets. In my opinion, they did an impressive job in 24 hours given the circumstances. I mean even the U.S. struggled with riots for longer than that, and they didn't have AKs roaming the streets. Most of the public ( I met, very biased) are currently heavily on their side. If there are elections, Ahmad al sharaa/Jolani will win. The HTS soldiers are not the ISIS beheaders the media likes to portray, they are normal people just like us who were dealt a shitty hand in life and decided to do something about it. I talked to a few of them, and they are friendly, respectful, and disciplined. If Command says they want no one entering buildings, then no one enters buildings. Sure some of them may look "scary" (long beards and such) but they really are just normal people who sacrificed a lot to free this country, they fought when we were cowards, they gave us our future, they gave us hope that Syria can change and that we can be a part of that.

There are also no reports of any HTS members harming any minority groups. There are reports of armed men shooting at cars, stealing cars from Alawites heading to the coast, and threatening citizens in Alawite majority neighborhoods in Damascus. However, I want to believe those men are not the trained HTS, they are either random Civilians with Aks, or members of the southern front. The level of discipline they are showing is quite impressive and I don't believe they would break it to take a car which they have no use for. HTS has not imposed any sort of clothing restrictions but instead stated that anyone trying to impose restrictions on women will be jailed for a month. Furthermore, they have not segregated any minority group and have been in open talks with all of them, they also stated that segregation and cursing ethnicities (or even asking about that for no reason) would also get you a one-month sentence.

Overall I am very hopeful, HTS is very organized and focused on stability. They are doing exemplary work, especially considering how overstretched they are. You may accuse me of whitewashing "Al-Qaeda" or "ISIS". Almost all Syrians hate ISIS, they killed thousands and tricked /forced Syrian youth into joining them, they increased islamophobia and racism against Middle Easterners even further (especially in Europe). But HTS is NOT ISIS, and time will prove that.

Anyhow, I have been writing for about two hours, yeah apparently I have a lot to yap about. If you made it this far thank you for reading my TED talk, for context I am a Sunni ( biased I guess) Uni student. I have a lot of other information to share about universities and how the Assad Regime turned students and doctors into informants and torturers, a truly depressing story. I was thinking of making posts about my experience with an unnecessarily epic title like "Chronicles of a Free Damascus University Student" Would you read something like that?

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Post note: Sadly I have read about a university student who died due to Israeli bombing. They appear to have mostly stopped their bombing campaign (as of 11/12/2024), so hopefully this doesn't happen again
 
@Catch The Rainbow I think the IDF knows they're in this for the long haul. Maybe those few villages the IDF captured will get that "totally not citizenship guyz" the Druze in the old Israeli sector of the Golan got. I have a hunch that in the coming days the IDF might take over more area to create a better tactical space for themselves.


By the way, why do Ziggers pick the dumbest "no the holocaust didn't happen" takes. and not just say "yeah it happened and I support it". Denying the holocaust is moronic.


I also had family suffer in the war. Hell one grandfather lost his hearing after being shot down by a German over the English Channel. The other had his face bashed in to the point he was considered KIA for a time.
Yes war suck? What's your point, the holocaust did happen. It happened exactly as it was told it happened. Anyone Nazi who denied it was trying to escape the hangman's noose. Anyone who denies it currently is retarted.



That doesn't change the facts of what happened.

I'm sure after the war started a lot of people who left Jewish areas were put back into Jewish areas. Israel did the same to Arabs. Americans have de facto kicked Whites out of American cities. After WWII Germans were kicked out of places they lived in for centuries.
The Jews who went back were famously killed by the people in the towns they were forced out of. Look the holocaust wasn't just Germans walking in and either killing/deporting Jews, MANY MANY local collaborators joined in. The soviets were not shy about this at all, and it is a central point in "come and see". The Soviets themselves did not deny the holocast happened, they instead didn't push the fact it happened to Jews often, they stated it was against "soviet citizens" (who happened to be Jews). It was only AFTER the death of Stalin that the Jewish part (that everyone knew) was talked about more. Because Stalin was a rabid anti-Semite.




ROC being run by the Kremlin is a claim that must be backed up by evidence.


The reason there isn't ONE singular orthodox church is because the states would use it as a tool of influence as the OC lacked the stately functions that the Catholics have. In Western Europe you had conflict between the institutions of the state vs the institutions of the Catholic Church. In the East you had the State use the OC as just another organ of the state.
 
@Catch The Rainbow I think the IDF knows they're in this for the long haul. Maybe those few villages the IDF captured will get that "totally not citizenship guyz" the Druze in the old Israeli sector of the Golan got. I have a hunch that in the coming days the IDF might take over more area to create a better tactical space for themselves
The villages are useless, the real prize is mt hermon.

By the way, why do Ziggers pick the dumbest "no the holocaust didn't happen" takes. and not just say "yeah it happened and I support it". Denying the holocaust is moronic.
Because it would be admitting failure I guess
 
I was told as were many at the time this was an overturning of a decrepit political and social order and the flowering of a liberalized Arab world that would reach first world living standards, become accepting of women, gays and atheists and all the mosques would close.
You should probably go read about the protests, then.
Everything you have said is evasive and nondescript rubbish-hair splitting and goalpost shifting, question begging and gish gallop.
I have provided sourced claims and evidence for my points, whereas you cite the fucking Protocols.
And this just happened out of the blue?
Heh. Are you actually interested? Because the 2021 self-coup is actually fascinating. The primary public discontent was mostly the result of the collapse of Tunisian healthcare and economic stagnation due to COVID.

Before I explain the coup I need to explain something. Most countries are unitary governments either de jure or de facto. A unitary government is a government where both the head of state and head of government are the same person. In the United States, that is the President, who, by law, or de jure, holds both positions simultaneously. In the UK, the head of government is the Prime Minister, while the head of state is the monarch, however, because the Prime Minister holds all of the authority of a head of state, it is de facto a unitary government. The 2014 constitution of Tunisia did not establish a unitary government. The Prime Minister would be the head of government, with some executive power, and the President would be the head of state, with other executive powers.

The short version is that, in 2020-2021, there was a serious disagreement between Prime Minister Hichem Mechichi and President Kais Saied. Mostly, this was because Mechichi's selected cabinet was made up almost exclusively of technocrats and economists, which was intentional, because Mechichi's entire platform was centered on getting Tunisia out of the COVID slump and back into economic prosperity, even if that meant steep austerity cuts to things like defense spending. The President signed off on this cabinet, although reluctantly, because he's a cunt. Eventually he decided he doesn't like the cabinet, tried to dissolve it, but the government pushed back. Normally this would be decided by the court system, but the judges hadn't been appointed yet, so Saied just went for broke and used his standing with the military to forcibly dissolve parliament, announce a state of emergency, and a year later he rammed through the sham referendum to create a unitary republic with far more authority granted to the office of President.

It had absolutely, literally, completely nothing to do with the Arab Spring or Islamism. I hope this was enlightening.
 
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