2024 Syrian opposition offensives - The first Syrian rebel offensive against Government forces since March 2020

Who wants to place bets on when the new government collapsed and the civil war starts again, or how long it takes for them to lower the marriage age for girls to 5?

Five would be unislamic. A devout muslim waits untill the girl is nine, as didbthe prophet muhammad.
 
The somewhat perplexing support for Saddam is from the ideological differences and later hatred between the Iraqi and Syrian Ba'thist parties, iirc Saddam and Assad sr. even tried to assassinate each other and also supported coups attempts against each other.

Fun fact, Syria was part of the coalition during the Gulf War.
You don't have to be a "Saddam supporter" to understand Iraq would've probably been better off had we not regime changed him. So many people have this binary worldview where two things cannot be possible at the same time. Yes, Saddam was a madman and yes millions more people died who otherwise wouldn't have when Saddam was removed. Same with "Putin simp", etc, etc.
 
Why would they divert going for Damascus to go for Latakia and Tartus when Damascus falling gets them Latakia and Tartus by default lol

You go so hard on circles within circles you miss really obvious stuff
To cover their flank? They went from Homs to Damascus more or less unbothered, despite being open to an attack from those bases at any time. Despite all the posturing from Iran online, they literally didn't do anything and left. Russians were sitting quiet and whoever left defending Damascus more or less immediately surrendered. If it wasn't a mutual agreement, then I don't know what it is. You could cope and pretend that it was the indomitable Syrian spirit that all of them got afraid of, but the truth is that Bashar was a hopeless idiot that failed stabilizing his country, kikes were riled up and no one wanted them in Syria and no one actually likes the Kurds or wants to seriously deal with them. Middle East is blowing up again and it is obvious that only Turkey can hold Syria proper after Iran completely shat itself.
 
The IDF has been wiping out Syrian airfields the past two days (the entire Mig-29 fleet was destroyed), and Russian Telegram channels (Fighterbomber) are begging them to stop since there are still Russian soldiers there who were abandoned by their commanders. I'm sorry, zigger oomfies...
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To cover their flank? They went from Homs to Damascus more or less unbothered, despite being open to an attack from those bases at any time. Despite all the posturing from Iran online, they literally didn't do anything and left. Russians were sitting quiet and whoever left defending Damascus more or less immediately surrendered. If it wasn't a mutual agreement, then I don't know what it is. You could cope and pretend that it was the indomitable Syrian spirit that all of them got afraid of, but the truth is that Bashar was a hopeless idiot that failed stabilizing his country, kikes were riled up and no one wanted them in Syria and no one actually likes the Kurds or wants to seriously deal with them. Middle East is blowing up again and it is obvious that only Turkey can hold Syria proper after Iran completely shat itself.
I really can't wait to see the reaction when Syria's new "government" formally requests Russia return and official presence in the country to bring stability. Two weeks? A month maybe? Who else is there?
 
Russian Telegram channels (Fighterbomber)
Fighterbomber has proven to be an unreliable source before, so I'd be careful with trusting him. He is hotheaded and starts sperging about any information that ends up in his hands without really checking it. Neither he actually has channels to check it proper, so he often just goes off gossip that circulates around his mutuals. He is also a wagnerite and those are just fucking seething about the whole Syria thing. But I do like his plane vids.

I really can't wait to see the reaction when Syria's new "government" formally requests Russia return and official presence in the country to bring stability. Two weeks? A month maybe? Who else is there?
I wouldn't bet on it, even if that would be funny.
 
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To cover their flank? They went from Homs to Damascus more or less unbothered, despite being open to an attack from those bases at any time. Despite all the posturing from Iran online, they literally didn't do anything and left. Russians were sitting quiet and whoever left defending Damascus more or less immediately surrendered. If it wasn't a mutual agreement, then I don't know what it is. You could cope and pretend that it was the indomitable Syrian spirit that all of them got afraid of, but the truth is that Bashar was a hopeless idiot that failed stabilizing his country, kikes were riled up and no one wanted them in Syria and no one actually likes the Kurds or wants to seriously deal with them. Middle East is blowing up again and it is obvious that only Turkey can hold Syria proper after Iran completely shat itself.
you're piling assumption on assumption to cope like a motherfucker. they were open to attack from the coast but it never happened because of a secret deal. russia did bomb them but not enough, no doubt you would say because of a secret deal. literally everything and anything can be handwaved by you as the result of a secret deal between turkey and russia
 
you're piling assumption on assumption to cope like a motherfucker. they were open to attack from the coast but it never happened because of a secret deal. russia did bomb them but not enough, no doubt you would say because of a secret deal. literally everything and anything can be handwaved by you as the result of a secret deal between turkey and russia
Sure. You think Erdogan would care if some of those rebels die or not? Turkey shot down a Russian plane before and all it resulted in was a scandal and anti-Turkish sanctions that lasted for a month or so, then no one ever brought it up. Turkey made moves against Russians in Syria, but then it was just brushed aside and never brought up. Then Putin helps Erdogan during the coup attempt, then Erdogan starts singing praises about Putin calling him the "real nigga of politics" or some shit. When it comes to Turkey and Russia, then them planning things out despite acting against each other is nothing new and you need to stop pretending like it is to save your point.
 
I really can't wait to see the reaction when Syria's new "government" formally requests Russia return and official presence in the country to bring stability. Two weeks? A month maybe? Who else is there?
Really depends on what happens with them and Israel.
If Syria gives up their claim to the Golan Heights and keeps to their word of not going full jihadi, while Israel keeps to their word of the land they've taken in the past few days just being a temporary occupation? They probably won't beg Russia to come back, and will just cozy up to Turkey and/or America instead.
If any of these don't happen though, then they might end up being forced to go with Russia (or potentially even China) because America would never let themselves or any of their NATO client-states associate with a regime that makes Israel upset.
They'll probably keep the Russian bases regardless though, just because money is money and a poor country like Syria needs all the money it can get, unless the US is willing to pay them more money to kick the Russians out than the Russians would pay them to stay.
 
A Lebanese prisoner who had been held in Assad's prisons for 33 years, Suhail Hamawi, returns to his hometown of Chekka (a Christian town in northern Lebanon).

سهيل حموي رجع عبلدتو شكّا عند اهلو من بعد ٣٣ سنة بالسجون السوريّة …
After 33 years in Syrian prisons, Suhail Hamoui has returned to his family...



Also, locals have been tearing down Assad's posters and cursing his name even in Qardaha, the hometown of the Assad clan.



Finally, even Hamas has now publicly congratulated the Syrian rebels on their victory. (Archive) Granted, they were part of the Muslim Brotherhood and thus by default had to at least nominally oppose the Assads for crushing the Brotherhood's Syrian branch in 1982, but has de facto always been on Assad's side due to both of them being Iranian lackeys (Iran would have had to move most assistance to them & Hezbollah through Assad's Syria after Iraq in the past) and formally restored full relations with him in 2022. Axis of Resistancebros, it's even more over than previously thought possible...
The israelis will likely keep a permanent buffer zone, if Syria remains a divided warlord state, or with a weak central administration, the israelis will have gained new territory, beyond the Golan. A great victory for the state of Israel, probably one of the greatest victories since the state was founded in 48.

I've heard the Russians can keep their naval base and other assets-likely Turkey and Russia had agreed to this weeks ago. I'd be curious to know when these backroom arrangements were being made-because it seems Assad signed off on a "lay down and give up" order, maybe a week ago?

My read? Assad decided in late November, to not bother putting up a fight. Likely he either knew or was told that the SAA was crumbling, or that Iran and Russia weren't coming-and so some arrangements were made to ensure he got off with a minimum of risk, and a general standdown was ordered.

Iran seems to have wanted to fight on? IDK there were Shiite fighters defending that shrine until just yesterday. But if Assad had already thrown in the towel and IRGC reports were telling Tehran it was going down the drain, order to evacuate to Iraq was given with the most fanatical shiites left to die standing, and anyone else went back to Iraq.

Turkey also apparently flat out lied to the Iranians-saying the HTS wasn't planning anything but they were. Iran may start treating Turkey now as a full on enemy.

The HTS also had been re armed-modern night vision, drones, Turkish APCs, Ukrainian military advisors-whereas the SAA was rotting on the inside.
As the dust settles and we can start considering a clearer picture of everything that just happened, I'd say that in hindsight while the sudden & comically quick fall of Aleppo, Assad had not made the decision to throw in the towel until Hama fell. The SAA was clearly caught off-guard and routed in a clean sweep at Aleppo, but even in their panic they did make a genuine effort to try to hold Hama - the pictures & videos of large SAA formations moving into positions around the city and getting into pretty heavy artillery duels with the rebels were posted in the earlier pages of this thread - and that city lasted longest out of all the government-held cities in this past offensive (5 days, Aleppo fell in like 2 days and Damascus in 1). It even seemed early on that the SAA had won there, the earliest footage of rebels in Hama turned out to have been from scout/raider parties that left or were driven out after the SAA came back in force and started filming themselves inside Hama. Had Assad actually won the battle for Hama, he would've stalled HTS' advance and while clearly the SAA in hindsight was in no shape to fight for Aleppo afterward, breaking the rebels' momentum there would have allowed him to drag this civil war out into the next year at least.

However, when Hama fell, so did whatever SAA morale remained. HTS boasted of destroying the Tiger Forces, one of Assad's most famous 'elite' units, and wounding its commander Suhail al-Hassan ('al-Nimr' or 'the Tiger' himself) at Hama, the latter being proven by a photo of Al-Hassan where he visibly had a bandaged hand (also posted somewhere in the early pages of this thread IIRC). I know for sure I had posted video links of rebel fighters driving through their bases & filming all the equipment captured from their hands back then. The SAA relied on elites comprised of well-paid volunteer fighters like the Tiger Force to do almost all of the hard fighting these past 13 years, the rank & file were well known to be conscripts fighting to collect their paltry paycheck/because the Mukhabarat secret police would disappear them & their family if they didn't go and have pretty much always proven to be failtastic losers this entire time unless boxed into a corner (they would fight with a courage born from desperation against enemies who made it clear they'd be executed even if they surrendered, like ISIS, but that was it). Assad still had hope of at least stabilizing the situation & buying himself more time as long as units like the Tigers were even partly intact, but he rushed them all to the front lines in his initial panic and gave HTS the chance to destroy them in a single engagement, so...

Russia was also still bombing away & Hezbollah moving in what troops it still had for some time after Aleppo, only definitively giving up after Hama and during the 'battle' for Homs when the SAA had clearly stopped bothering to fight back almost entirely; they wouldn't have bothered if a deal had been made before Al-Jolani started getting things rolling. Iran had spent $50 billion on propping Assad up and laid down roots across 570 bases & outposts across the country, (Archive) there's no way they would have given up that investment voluntarily. Assad himself had no reason to assume things would collapse this quickly either, he seemed to have all but won the war in 2018-20 and until November 26, it seemed like it was a matter of time that Idlibistan would fall to the SAA; the initial rebel attack was codenamed 'Deterrence of Aggression' and its objective was to push the SAA out of artillery range of Idlib (they had been shelling Al-Jolani's emirate before all this), not take Aleppo much less the whole country (obviously, when Aleppo fell with minimal resistance, Al-Jolani changed his mind and decided to start pushing as far as he could, which turned out to be 'everywhere').
 
Yeah yeah this gay religion stuff is surely interesting but who cares, the real question is when is yakub and his black kangz coming back to reclaim their rightful clay
 
You don't have to be a "Saddam supporter" to understand Iraq would've probably been better off had we not regime changed him. So many people have this binary worldview where two things cannot be possible at the same time. Yes, Saddam was a madman and yes millions more people died who otherwise wouldn't have when Saddam was removed. Same with "Putin simp", etc, etc.
Regarding Saddam, I do agree that him getting removed from power led to more problems than it solved but I disagree with the method involved. If before the whole invasion of Kuwait had the US pressured the Gulf states to come to an agreement with Iraq regarding oil production quotas, which the US could easily do since it was at the peak of its power, the USSR was collapsing, the Chinese remained in turmoil due Tiananmen and the Euros weren't really going to oppose the US in this matter.

I think the invasion of Kuwait and most, maybe, of the subsequent sandnigger wars could have been avoided have if Iraq and the Gulf states came to an agreement thanks to the efforts of the US, but who knows? Maybe with the right pressure and actions Iraq could have remained "friendly" to the West, ("friendly" in quotation marks due to Saddam's Iraq action during the Tanker War, the USS Stark incident, Saddam gassing the Kurds and the Iranians, the nuclear program that Israel destroyed, his insane son, Uday, plus his whole brutal rule), Saddam could have been removed in a coup or something and the US would have another nominal ally in the Middle East without needing to invade, sort of like with Egypt after the Camp David accords. But I don't know, it might be too much of a stretch and it is not the topic of this thread.

With my original post, I was just pointing out why people that were ruled by a brutal dictator until a few days ago are now celebrating another, albeit dead, brutal dictator.
 
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