Is East Asian work culture good?

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It was a conversation at the office few days ago. My coworkers said it makes workers very efficient and has a clear hierarchy. I said it burnouts workers, extremely inefficient with wasting time on ceremony and entirely dependent on people on top not being retarded.

Your thoughts/experience?
 
Nah.
See; suicide and reproduction rates.
Like yeah, we've proven it's possible to incentivize people to work themselves to the point of slow extinction, but can we backtrack a little?
Because it feels like a feudal baron has more obligation to his serfs than a company to it's staff, and this is clearly one of those cultures that produces great short term gain at the expense of long term decline.
You see shades of it in Britain too; forty hours isn't enough for a lot of people to have the things they want, but the more you work, the less and less time you have to enjoy the things you earned.
Then one day, you are old, and your life is almost over, and there is no more time.
 
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S3y88 dijo:
They wage even more than westerners
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At least in Japan the ¥ is ¥150 to $1, the lowest it's been since the mid 80s. Not to mention the starting wage for most salarymen is markedly lower than most starting wages for white-collar jobs in the US. I don't know what it looks like once you've climbed the corporate ladder but there's no chance you're making more money out of uni than you would in the West.
 
I've never experienced it myself directly, but from what I heard, it's not that great no.

Inefficiency is a big thing, because they care just as much, if not more, about apparences than they do about results. Staying later at work is expected, even if you have done everything you were expected to.

Boot licking is institutionalized through a very rigid hierarchy and respect culture.

Innovation or individual efforts are not seen or rewarded like they would be in the west. Which makes progressing on meritocracy pretty much impossible.

I am sure it's not all bad, and they certainly have some advantages over the west in some respects. But that is not something I would have enjoyed.
 
wtfNeedSignUp dijo:
It was a conversation at the office few days ago. My coworkers said it makes workers very efficient and has a clear hierarchy. I said it burnouts workers, extremely inefficient with wasting time on ceremony and entirely dependent on people on top not being retarded.

Your thoughts/experience?
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From personal experience the only problem with Asian work culture, Asian honor culture in general is the lack of room for experimentation and the overstigmatization of failure. Its not a bad thing by itself, it just produces bad results as a lot of people let it get to their head. Being deathly afraid of failure to the point of paranoia ends up becoming a self fulfilling prophecy unfortunately.
 
I had a buddy who did that work cycle with 12 hours * 4 days each week. He was okay with the hours, and there was nap time at work which was alright, but it really threw off his social life. It didn't loop so he'd end up unable to schedule anything weekly.
For example, he'd work (Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Sunday), then (Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday, Monday).

He can't do X social thing every Friday if he's got work half the time.
 
David Brown dijo:
Not a fair comparison. Africans are mogged by Asians in every conceivable metric. Well, Africans are BTFO by every race generally but at some point it's just not even fun to dunk on them any more. It's just cruel.
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I can think of one area where Africans beat the Asians. Average shoe size.
 
David Brown dijo:
Not a fair comparison. Africans are mogged by Asians in every conceivable metric.
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Not true. Black people have a better standing vertical jump and a faster 50m sprint. They would be the superior race if they were not so cognitively deficient.
 
No.
The employee is worthless outside of what they bring to the company and if they slip up, they get replaced quickly.
 
Obstacle dijo:
See; suicide and reproduction rates.
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Well. Europe and murica aren't doing too good.

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Judex Meus dijo:
At least in Japan the ¥ is ¥150 to $1, the lowest it's been since the mid 80s. Not to mention the starting wage for most salarymen is markedly lower than most starting wages for white-collar jobs in the US. I don't know what it looks like once you've climbed the corporate ladder but there's no chance you're making more money out of uni than you would in the West.
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The Yen reached ¥160:$1 USD rate earlier this year, but cooled off after Japan raised their interest rates.
 
They're like an even more concentrated version of the most pathological elements of Western work culture.

This could be an ignorant foreigner thing, but it also seems like there's a conflict there between western ideas of capitalism/individualism vs. eastern collectivism.
You need to prove you're a really competent and hard working team player, but never actually excel too much because you aren't supposed to stand out, and it's supposed to be your team and your superiors who get the recognition.

In any case, it's efficient and productive in the same way all unsustainable practices are. If you ignore the fact that what you're doing is going to completely undermine the system and demographic you rely on in the future, then it's great.
 
Thiletonomics dijo:
The Yen reached ¥160:$1 USD rate earlier this year, but cooled off after Japan raised their interest rates.
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You're right, I meant this year as a whole. My main point being that even if the wages were competitive, you're getting screwed by the value of the yen.
 
It literally can't be worse than American corporate work culture. I would take being overworked and underpaid over being overworked, underpaid, and systemically discriminated against because of your race any day of the week. Hell, at least the gooks are meritocratic, and if you produce results will promote and pay you close what you are actually worth. American corps will kick you to the ground and rub your nose in shit even if you are single handedly carrying your entire department on your back.
 
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