Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Thread - Started With Mutant Mayhem Discussion

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UnKillShredDur dijo:
@Overly Serious
Sadly I couldn't disagree with you more about the crossover with the '87 turtles. The 2003 TMNT did the same shit where they had to exaggerate how goofy the originals turtles were to the point of making them imbiciles, in order to make their new version look better by comparison. Realistically speaking, neither one would exist if it weren't for the '87 version, and I think the fact that they both had to bring back the originals (if only to dump on them) only proves that point more.

Also James Avery is the best Shredder, fight me.
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We're going to have to agree to disagree here because I don't think 2012 TMNT unfairly exaggerated the 1987's goofiness. You can like the show as much as you want and I'm happy for you, but this is goofy:

As to whether 2012 would exist without the 1987 - who knows? It was a successful cult comic and the 1987 show didn't need a successful predecessor cartoon to be made so what argument that a later one couldn't be made without it couldn't be applied to the 1987 one itself? Either way, none of what I said depends on some kind of moral debt to its predecessors.
 
Overly Serious dijo:
We're going to have to agree to disagree here because I don't think 2012 TMNT unfairly exaggerated the 1987's goofiness. You can like the show as much as you want and I'm happy for you, but this is goofy:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=cvQbpjihpKY:86, list: PLiPmB76eEfLbCFhtpYjlz7rXrNYEcWpLj
As to whether 2012 would exist without the 1987 - who knows? It was a successful cult comic and the 1987 show didn't need a successful predecessor cartoon to be made so what argument that a later one couldn't be made without it couldn't be applied to the 1987 one itself? Either way, none of what I said depends on some kind of moral debt to its predecessors.
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TMNT 87 had its stupid moments and its more serious ones. They were at least treated as competent heroes. Compare the crossovers to the way the Batman franchise treats the Adam West version or the silver age. It's actually weird how TMNT makes a point of crapping on the iteration that really put them on the map.
 
Overly Serious dijo:
We're going to have to agree to disagree here because I don't think 2012 TMNT unfairly exaggerated the 1987's goofiness. You can like the show as much as you want and I'm happy for you, but this is goofy:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=cvQbpjihpKY:86, list: PLiPmB76eEfLbCFhtpYjlz7rXrNYEcWpLj
As to whether 2012 would exist without the 1987 - who knows? It was a successful cult comic and the 1987 show didn't need a successful predecessor cartoon to be made so what argument that a later one couldn't be made without it couldn't be applied to the 1987 one itself? Either way, none of what I said depends on some kind of moral debt to its predecessors.
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Goofy is one thing. Every crossover I've seen with the '87 Turtles has made them out to be incompetent boobs, too dumb to live and who would probably kill themselves without the intervention of the "better and more serious new turtles". That simply isn't how the original show was, especially in the first few seasons before the censors took out the weapons.
Even in the clip you showed, they know how to use their weapons. They don't need anyone to tell them how to do it.

It comes off as a desperate "fuck you" to fans of the original who didn't care for the new ones. They have to strawman the fuck out of the '87 turtles because they're insecure that their version will never be as iconic. And it won't be.

The newer ones may be good shows, (I don't know, all I've seen were the crossovers and I wasn't impressed.) But in the late 80's and much of the 90's, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles was literally everywhere, and the '87 cartoon was the peak of their popularity.
 
The original 80s show was goofy. I'll never deny that.

The problem with Turtles Forever was that they made the 80s Turtles moronic, dumb, and even cowardly. It felt like a hit job and counterintuitive considering the crossover with the old show is what drew me to the movie in the first place.

To highlight what I mean, there was a moment where one of the 80s Turtles struggled to lift a manhole cover and one of the 03 Turtles did it with ease. I can't fathom what the joke could be other than to make the 80s Turtles look bad.

There was another moment where the 80s Turtles woke up from a nap and 80s Leonardo, of all Turtles, said something to the effect of "is it noon already?" I'm sorry but 80s Leo would have NEVER said that. I don't care how silly the show got, Leo was always a stick in the mud that tried to get the others to take things more seriously.

I'm trying to picture what it would be like if they did a similar thing with 15He-Man by having a new version meet up with the Filmation version. Would it be better to exaggerate the silliness of the old show and make the old He-Man a clown or present how he really was and let the contrast between the two versions drive their interactions together? Personally, I'd want the later.

There were parts of Turtles Forver where they played with the dynamics a little bit and I wish they played with them more. 03 Raph hated the 80s Turtles for being sillier, 03 Mikey loved them because he could joke around with them, and the two Don's got along and worked together. They could have played it up more like maybe 80s Leo would want his Turtles to be more serious like their 03 counterparts, or maybe 80s Raph tries to encourage 03 Raph to relax and control his anger.
 
RumblyTumbly dijo:
The original 80s show was goofy. I'll never deny that.

The problem with Turtles Forever was that they made the 80s Turtles moronic, dumb, and even cowardly. It felt like a hit job and counterintuitive considering the crossover with the old show is what drew me to the movie in the first place.

To highlight what I mean, there was a moment where one of the 80s Turtles struggled to lift a manhole cover and one of the 03 Turtles did it with ease. I can't fathom what the joke could be other than to make the 80s Turtles look bad.

There was another moment where the 80s Turtles woke up from a nap and 80s Leonardo, of all Turtles, said something to the effect of "is it noon already?" I'm sorry but 80s Leo would have NEVER said that. I don't care how silly the show got, Leo was always a stick in the mud that tried to get the others to take things more seriously.

I'm trying to picture what it would be like if they did a similar thing with 15He-Man by having a new version meet up with the Filmation version. Would it be better to exaggerate the silliness of the old show and make the old He-Man a clown or present how he really was and let the contrast between the two versions drive their interactions together? Personally, I'd want the later.

There were parts of Turtles Forver where they played with the dynamics a little bit and I wish they played with them more. 03 Raph hated the 80s Turtles for being sillier, 03 Mikey loved them because he could joke around with them, and the two Don's got along and worked together. They could have played it up more like maybe 80s Leo would want his Turtles to be more serious like their 03 counterparts, or maybe 80s Raph tries to encourage 03 Raph to relax and control his anger.
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To be clear, I specifically talked about the cross-overs with the 2012 version. You're talking entirely about the cross-overs with the '03 version which I never watched.

EDIT: If you want really weird TMNT cross-overs, the third arc of the Batman/TMNT comics also introduces the original black and white turtles alongside the modern colour ones and introduces Krang. It's one of the more bizarre TMNT comics and that's saying something.
 
In the '80s toon, Splinter says the mutagen mutates one into the same kind of being as the last being one touched, so the turtles become humanoid. Yet Splinter handled the turtles (to try to clean the mutagen off), and yet he turned into some sort of rat guy?

:thinking:

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ToroidalBoat dijo:
In the '80s toon, Splinter says the mutagen mutates one into the same kind of being as the last being one touched, so the turtles become humanoid. Yet Splinter handled the turtles (to try to clean the mutagen off), and yet he turned into some sort of rat guy?

:thinking:

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Every man must decide for himself if that's dumber than a rat learning ninjutsu by observation
 
And in '80s toon there's all those unprecedented historical events happening like alien encounters and the Technodrome wreaking havoc, yet it's back to business as usual.
 
ToroidalBoat dijo:
In the '80s toon, Splinter says the mutagen mutates one into the same kind of being as the last being one touched, so the turtles become humanoid. Yet Splinter handled the turtles (to try to clean the mutagen off), and yet he turned into some sort of rat guy?

:thinking:

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I've specifically headcanoned Yoshi carefully grabs and cleans off the turtles without actually touching the ooze itself, only to step into/fall onto the mutagen puddle while smacking/pushing away a hungry rat he lived with, to thus become a rodent.

That's always been Yoshi-as-Splinter though. Always-been-a-rat Splinter? I guess is careful yet again, but touches a human above ground before accidentally stepping into the stuff coming back to his newfound progeny.
 
ToroidalBoat dijo:
(like I said earlier the only TMNT toons I've seen is the '80s one)
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Same here. For some reason one line from that show has stuck with me all these years. In one episode Shredder fights the turtles in a pizza parlor and he snatches up a big blob of dough, pokes holes in it with his clawed gauntlets, then throws it at them yelling "Have a dough-net!" and it makes me chuckle every single time it pops into my head.

Also this.
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A Grey Cat dijo:
Daw this thread necroed snd thought fucking hell they giving the tmnt that gave us coonshit April O'Neil a sequel? Thankfully not the case here
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Oh, well, they are. Coming in 2026. There's also a tv series based on it.

I thought Mutant Mayhem was pretty good, although it is in fact full of niggers and zoomers and zoomer niggers, and you can see a 🏳️‍⚧️ when they're inside a high school, and they gender-swapped like three characters. But still pretty good.
 
Anybody know if that new tactical RPG is good?

Calandrino dijo:
Oh, well, they are. Coming in 2026. There's also a tv series based on it.

I thought Mutant Mayhem was pretty good, although it is in fact full of niggers and zoomers and zoomer niggers, and you can see a 🏳️‍⚧️ when they're inside a high school, and they gender-swapped like three characters. But still pretty good.
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Sounds absolutely cursed and insufferable.
 
@Overly Serious
So... I don't think it's Alternate Universe - there'sEfrom existing storyline in an alternate direction, no - what if element you can say this differs. It's a future of the existing storyline with same characters and continuity, the question would be if it is THE future.
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Except there is. Renet tells them that in the future, they are seen as heroes that saved the world. She clearly looks human, and not a mutant.

This 'future' that is shown in the last 4 episodes looks like a desolate Madmax desert where death and hopelessness reign, This is where New York used to be with millions of human deaths, if not billions, a fractured moon in the night sky. All of their human and formerly human allies are dead, even April, who is half Kraang and implied to be ridiculously powerful.  This does not imply 'success' but that they failed, big time. This 'future' contradicts what Renet says, and it's heavily implied that they just accept the situation, rather then try to undo it with time travel or anything else like they did in previous episodes.
 
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